'24 CA LB Kyngstonn Viliamu-Asa (Notre Dame Signee)

[BobbyMac]

Ok fine, Drue Tranquill is 6'2, 234 lbs and he's been a starting NFL LB for 4 (going on 5) seasons. Kiser is not undersized in modern football.

I was recently reading about the former Temple LB, Tyler Matakevitch (sp) who was the star of the team ND played on Gameday back in the day and was shocked to see he's still in the league after 8 seasons. He's Kiser's size and ran a 4.8... not a 4.5 like Kiser will post

 

[Lberry]

I was recently reading about the former Temple LB, Tyler Matakevitch (sp) who was the star of the team ND played on Gameday back in the day and was shocked to see he's still in the league after 8 seasons. He's Kiser's size and ran a 4.8... not a 4.5 like Kiser will post

Who cares about testing if you're not a disruptive college player?

No teams we face this year are watching 2021-2023 film and saying "we have to have a plan to stop Jack Kiser, the game wrecker". That's different for a player like JOK.

 

[BobbyMac]

And was a far better LB when healthy than Kiser. Not even debatable.

I cant believe thinking the combo of Bowen/Jaiden/Sneed in 2024 as Jrs and Sophomores will have more protential than year 5/6 of JD and Kiser. It's wild to me how many are up in arms over this prediction.

We will see.

If Freeman & Golden thought your line up woulda been more effective in '23 than JD/JK, those guys would be playing elsewhere right now.

And if I can agree with you on anything, I love the "potential" of the room going forward but then again, I thought Prince was gonna be the next JOK so I'll let Freeman figure that out. The room he assembled in Cincy with a truckload of 3*/85's turned out to be great.

 

[Lberry]

Bro doesn’t even watch football. If it wasn’t evident before, it is now.

This is the part of the trolls history where we collectively just disengage the BS.

If you think Kiser is going to the combine and getting drafted, and going to be a monster in 2023 - great. I hope you're right. But if someone else disagrees, you should be ok with that because there's plenty of reason not to hold that opinion on him.

So kindly screw off since you have to go to "must be a troll" for not seeing the freak you're seeing.

 

[BobbyMac]

Who cares about testing if you're not a disruptive college player?

No teams we face this year are watching 2021-2023 film and saying "we have to have a plan to stop Jack Kiser, the game wrecker". That's different for a player like JOK.

I bet they're telling the QB's... don't toss some weak out into the flat, or it's 6. Ask Florida's QB.

...and they certainly aren't game planning away from Marist.

 

[Lberry]

I bet they're telling the QB's... don't toss some weak out into the flat, or it's 6. Ask Florida's QB.

...and they certainly aren't game planning away from Marist.

Marist wasnt good last year either. But we've seen 1-2 years fewer of him than JD/Kiser so there's at least reason to hope he can become an impact player year 2 post injury.

 

[BobbyMac]

Who cares about testing if you're not a disruptive college player?

Disruptive vs production...

I gave you hard data on production per snaps and you completely side stepped that.

 

[Luckylucci]

If you think Kiser is going to the combine and getting drafted, and going to be a monster in 2023 - great. I hope you're right. But if someone else disagrees, you should be ok with that because there's plenty of reason not to hold that opinion on him.

So kindly screw off since you have to go to "must be a troll" for not seeing the freak you're seeing.

Ha, I said none of those things.

Your trolling is in the desperately grasping and hopelessly terrible phase.

 

[BobbyMac]

Marist wasnt good last year either. But we've seen 1-2 years fewer of him than JD/Kiser so there's at least reason to hope he can become an impact player year 2 post injury.

Sorry you missed the 2020 season, he was more effective as a RS Fr than he was last year.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Marist wasnt good last year either. But we've seen 1-2 years fewer of him than JD/Kiser so there's at least reason to hope he can become an impact player year 2 post injury.

I’m expecting Marist will bounce back strong this year since he’ll be into his second season after his injury. His injury was pretty severe. Also, JD and Kiser will have two years with the same DC…..this will pay dividends for their positive impact on the season. Will they look like Manti and Jaylon? No but I believe they’ll play impressively with improved play recognition time. Hope they can silence their critics, which I’m sure you wouldn’t mind either.

 

[Lberry]

Ha, I said none of those things.

Your trolling is in the desperately grasping and hopelessly terrible phase.

"I think the combo of Bowen, Jaiden, and Sneed in 2024 will be better than year 5/6 of JD/Kiser".

"OMG you troll you're too stupid to talk to about ND football".

Clown response.

 

[Luckylucci]

Well, when you call a guy who is 6’1 5/8, 232 too small to play LB. That is a stupid response. Sorry you felt compelled to say it.

 

[BobbyMac]

"I think the combo of Bowen, Jaiden, and Sneed in 2024 will be better than year 5/6 of JD/Kiser".

"OMG you troll you're too stupid to talk to about ND football".

Clown response.

Link to those quotes please.

I'm lost.

 

[Lberry]

Disruptive vs production...

I gave you hard data on production per snaps and you completely side stepped that.

It's an irrelevant point. I've been clear Marist wasnt good either (stated that verbatim) but he's also played 1-2 years fewer than JD and Kiser so there's at least reason to believe he makes a big jump...

I didn't respond because its an irrelevant comparison because I said the opposite about Marist than what you apparently thought you read.

 

[Lberry]

Well, when you call a guy who is 6’1 5/8, 232 too small to play LB. That is a stupid response. Sorry you felt compelled to say it.

That is small absent other elite traits. JOK was elite in other athletic ways that neither Kiser/JD are.

 

[Lberry]

Link to those quotes please.

I'm lost.

Post #1052, in response to a post discussing next year/2024:

"To be clear I don't know how or why JD/Kiser can keep talent like Sneed/Bowen/Jaiden off the field... But many ND fans think they're really good so it could be a thing."

 

[BobbyMac]

It's an irrelevant point. I've been clear Marist wasnt good either (stated that verbatim) but he's also played 1-2 years fewer than JD and Kiser so there's at least reason to believe he makes a big jump...

I didn't respond because its an irrelevant comparison because I said the opposite about Marist than what you apparently thought you read.

Production and more specifically, production per snap is irrelevant.

Thanks for wasting my time.

While you're dying on this hill, I'm gonna make an omelet.

 

[BobbyMac]

"OMG you troll you're too stupid to talk to about ND football".

Clown response.

Let's try this again:

Link to the quotes above. Which you called a "Clown response"

 

[Lberry]

Production and more specifically, production per snap is irrelevant.

Thanks for wasting my time.

While you're dying on this hill, I'm gonna make an omelet.

You picked 3 stats out of many to show two players were similar, both of whom I said "were not good last year"... You've misread or misunderstand the crux of what I've said. Neither were good IMO, but Marist has played ~2 years fewer so there's at least hope for him.

I've learned a lot in the past 24 hours. JD and Kiser are combine freaks, Sam is a proven Millionaire, and ND is unquestionably elite in NIL for transfers.

I think that's enough learning for me for 24 hours, lol, I'm going to celebrate all this good news.

 

[Lberry]

Let's try this again:

Link to the quotes above. Which you called a "Clown response"

Post 1076:

"Bro doesn’t even watch football. If it wasn’t evident before, it is now. This is the part of the trolls history where we collectively just disengage the BS."

And then more in post 1080.

 

[CanadalovesND]

If you think Kiser is going to the combine and getting drafted, and going to be a monster in 2023 - great. I hope you're right. But if someone else disagrees, you should be ok with that because there's plenty of reason not to hold that opinion on him.

So kindly screw off since you have to go to "must be a troll" for not seeing the freak you're seeing.

Kiser has been reported running in the high 4.5s. Maybe freak is a bit of an overstatement, but let’s not act like his Joe Schmidt, athletically.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Production and more specifically, production per snap is irrelevant.

Thanks for wasting my time.

While you're dying on this hill, I'm gonna make an omelet.

What kind of cheese?

 

[Deirishpisser]

i won't be shocked if even "funny picture thread" descends into an argument.

 

[PutuporShutup]

You may have an arguable point with JD but advanced stats and measurables say you're off on Kiser.

And when he tests like an "SEC" LB at the combine, don't be surprised.

Also... why didn't you include Marist with those two?

We really think Kiser is at the combine?

 

[Lberry]

Anyone remember the user (a teacher, if I remember correctly) who was a self-proclaimed genius on these boards and then proceeded to get banned?

There’s a fly in here that reeks of a similar dung heap.

Update: the name is DuLac. (Credit to irishandy for recalling it.)

If I promise to start thinking Kiser is a combine-crushing, NFL ready, great LB, and also the clear starter in 2024 over Bowen/Sneed/Ausberry... can I please stick around?

 

[BobbyMac]

You picked 3 stats out of many to show two players were similar, both of whom I said "were not good last year"... You've misread or misunderstand the crux of what I've said. Neither were good IMO, but Marist has played ~2 years fewer so there's at least hope for him.

I've learned a lot in the past 24 hours. JD and Kiser are combine freaks, Sam is a proven Millionaire, and ND is unquestionably elite in NIL for transfers.

I think that's enough learning for me for 24 hours, lol, I'm going to celebrate all this good news.

"You picked 3 stats out of many" Tackles / TFL / Sks per snap says it all. That's the definition of adjusted production.

You left Marist off your hit list and after you were shown how more effective Kiser is per snap, Marist gets added to the list as a potential game wrecker but... not very good last year.

Marist has played two seasons = '20 & '22. Kiser has played three seasons = '20-'22. Wrong again.

NO ONE ever said JD would be a combine freak. I said any beef with him warrants the right to argue your case. I think he gets every ounce of production out of his tools. He operates at his ceiling. But I won't fight anybody about he being a better pre-injury Joe Schmidt.

Without looking back, I doubt I said JK will be a "combine freak". I believe he'll test very well and that he'll test as well as most SEC LB's.

You need to seriously tighten up your words when it comes to discussion. I'd rather think of you as misinformed and a bad judge of talent that just a two bit, goal post transporter and well... liar.

 

[BobbyMac]

Post 1076:

"Bro doesn’t even watch football. If it wasn’t evident before, it is now. This is the part of the trolls history where we collectively just disengage the BS."

And then more in post 1080.

And you need to tighten up your quotation game too.

You've had a very shady day here on IE.

Do better next time.

 

[BobbyMac]

What kind of cheese?

Went with Gruyere and Hatch Chilis

8.5/10

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[BobbyMac]

We really think Kiser is at the combine?

I have no idea.

But he's gonna test very well in a combine / pro day setting and he's gonna be on an NFL roster barring injury.

 

[Lberry]

"You picked 3 stats out of many" Tackles / TFL / Sks per snap says it all. That's the definition of adjusted production.

You left Marist off your hit list and after you were shown how more effective Kiser is per snap, Marist gets added to the list as a potential game wrecker but... not very good last year.

Marist has played two seasons = '20 & '22. Kiser has played three seasons = '20-'22. Wrong again.

NO ONE ever said JD would be a combine freak. I said any beef with him warrants the right to argue your case. I think he gets every ounce of production out of his tools. He operates at his ceiling. But I won't fight anybody about he being a better pre-injury Joe Schmidt.

Without looking back, I doubt I said JK will be a "combine freak". I believe he'll test very well and that he'll test as well as most SEC LB's.

You need to seriously tighten up your words when it comes to discussion. I'd rather think of you as misinformed and a bad judge of talent that just a two bit, goal post transporter and well... liar.

I. Said. Over. And. Over. BOTH were not good. But Marist has barely played comparatively (41 appearances vs 23) and had a major injury to add, so at least there's reason to hope for improvement with him. Showing me Marist was also not good... does nothing when that has been my stance.

To respond to the half point you could potentially have: "advanced stats and measurables say you're off on Kiser. And when he tests like an "SEC" LB at the combine, don't be surprised."

- I personally doubt Kiser goes to the combine. And if he does, we'll see if he stands above the SEC LBs. I doubt it, but we'll see if you're right.