Questions for you ND fans..

[Buckslife171]

If OSU beat LSU for the NC, would this change the way you feel about OSU not belonging in the NC game and would you FEEL they would be the #1 team in CFB? Please put aside your hate for OSU and answer for a unbiased cfb fan if possible. lol..

Thanks...

 

[NDOM]

If OSU beat LSU for the NC, would this change the way you feel about OSU not belonging in the NC game and would you feel they would be the #1 team in CFB? Please put aside your hate for OSU and answer for a unbiased cfb fan if possible. lol..

Thanks...

If Ohio State beats Lsu then they are the #1 team in CFB yes. Hold on now so I can go

 

[mlcspinner]

If Ohio State beats Lsu then they are the #1 team in CFB yes. Hold on now so I can go

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[ColonialHead]

If OSU beat LSU for the NC, would this change the way you feel about OSU not belonging in the NC game and would you feel they would be the #1 team in CFB? Please put aside your hate for OSU and answer for a unbiased cfb fan if possible. lol..

Thanks...

I'm one of the few that actually believes the BCS got it right. So I think OSU belongs in the NC anyway, despite my hatred for them. If they win it, then I would feel they are the #1 team in the country.

I've heard a lot of people say that OSU played an extremely weak schedule this year, but I disagree. Sure, they scheduled Kent St., Akron and Youngstown State.... but every team (including ND) plays cupcakes. OSU's cupcakes weren't any weaker than anybody else's cupcakes....

But the Big11 is tougher than most people give it credit for. If this was the SEC, people would say that a 3-4 loss team only lost that many games because they play in the "tough" SEC.... but nobody gives Illinois, Penn State, MSU or Wisconsin credit for being tough opponents. In my opinion, the Big11 cannibalized each other this year the same way that most people claim the SEC cannibalizes itself every year. These are tough teams. So yes, in my opinion OSU deserves to be there and if they win it, they deserve to be called #1.

Just my opinion.

 

[irishlaw77]

Ohio State would have to be seen as legitimate national champs, albeit in a year without any dominant team. Numerous other teams had chances to play their way into (or not out of) the top two spots but lost. So yeah, they'll be champs of a down year for quality teams. Illinois is in the Rose Bowl for chrissake. Not to say that the twists and turns this year haven't been entertaining....

 

[IRISHDODGER]

If OSU beat LSU for the NC, would this change the way you feel about OSU not belonging in the NC game and would you FEEL they would be the #1 team in CFB? Please put aside your hate for OSU and answer for a unbiased cfb fan if possible. lol..

Thanks...

I dislike LSU more than OSU. That being said, it's 'put up or shut up' for OSU & their fans. They have an excellent opportunity to show that they can beat the "Best team from the Best Conference".

Personally, if OSU beats LSU I want to see a blowout. That would really shut a lot of people up once & for all. Based on this wacky year, I think OSU does deserve a spot in the NC...based on the BCS. Tressell needs to quit dialing up the in-state patsies for out-of-conference games. W/ the Big 10 being down the last 5 years, it would behoove them to at lease schedule some D1 teams from BCS conferences & one cupcake.

 

[johnnd05]

I'd be willing to say that, but if Hawaii beats Georgia and/or Kansas beats Va. Tech then that makes things a big tougher ...

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

If OSU beat LSU for the NC, would this change the way you feel about OSU not belonging in the NC game and would you FEEL they would be the #1 team in CFB? Please put aside your hate for OSU and answer for a unbiased cfb fan if possible. lol..

Thanks...

I have no hate (other than I'm a bearcat fan) for tOSU (aside from the T). They belong in the NC game. They played a 'soft' schedule, didn't play a conference final, and let the other losers battle it out. I'd say they were pretty smart. I think ND should do the same, as far as scheduling at least 9 wins a season.

 

[SouthernIrish]

nothing would make me happier than a Big Ten team beating an SEC team.

 

[GoshenGipper]

I already thought they deserved to be in the BCS NC. Now are they one of the two best teams, probably not but that's hard to tell since they had such an embarisingly easy out of conference schedule and the Big Ten had a horrible year, but they are from a BCS conference and they had less losses than everyone else. Despite how much I hate some aspects of OSU, like a lot of their fans, or all the dirty stuff that takes place around their program I 'll actaully probably be pulling for them simply because I've really grown to dislike Les Miles even more, and I'm tired of the SEC continually getting so much credit even when they have a mediocre year. If they're the best conference then fine, I'll have no problem saying so, but it should not always be assumed they are far and away the best every single year. Sometimes other confereces are better.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

If OSU beat LSU for the NC, would this change the way you feel about OSU not belonging in the NC game and would you FEEL they would be the #1 team in CFB? Please put aside your hate for OSU and answer for a unbiased cfb fan if possible. lol..

Thanks...

No offense here Buck....

Never will you or anyone ever convince me that that TO$U belongs in this game. You mean to tell me they couldn't work in another MAC team for the championship...??? It was a garbage schedule and teams that play garbage schedules should be punished by the voters for it. Period.

 

[SoCalDomer]

If they win, they will be the #1 team. You can't put them down for their schedule if they end up beating LSU. If they get blown out, expect to hear the same stuff as last year.

As far as whether they deserve to be in, I think so. The alternatives are USC (lost to Stanford, a 40pt underdog) VT (blown out by LSU), Georgia (lost to stinky SCarolina). Kansas might be the next closest to deserving with a close loss to Missouri.

 

[Junkhead]

The OSU schedule was a joke. Kent, Akron, and Youngstown State....get real. That said, I'm so sick of hearing about the SEC, and I'd rather see OSU stomp LSU.

 

[Junkhead]

But OSU did the most they could do, and won every game.

Besides the home game against Illinois, which they lost.

 

[benneboy]

I've heard a lot of people say that OSU played an extremely weak schedule this year, but I disagree. Sure, they scheduled Kent St., Akron and Youngstown State.... but every team (including ND) plays cupcakes. OSU's cupcakes weren't any weaker than anybody else's cupcakes....

My beef with OSU's schedule isn't that their cupcakes are so week (even though Kent St. is not bowl bound navy so comparing our 'cupcakes' to theirs is a little absurd). I have a problem with OSU playing for the national championship because they have only beaten one team in the top 25 ( a very mediocre Wisconsin team). As far as I can tell that is equal to the number of top 25 teams Hawaii has beaten. I'll acknowledge that if OSU beats LSU you they will be as good as anybody this year, but that doesn't really say much.

 

[SoCalDomer]

Besides the home game against Illinois, which they lost.

Oh, duh. grin: Nevermind. they suck.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Oh, duh. grin: Nevermind. they suck.

lol...see, everyone eventually comes full circle.

 

[irish4ever]

If OSU beat LSU for the NC, would this change the way you feel about OSU not belonging in the NC game and would you FEEL they would be the #1 team in CFB? Please put aside your hate for OSU and answer for a unbiased cfb fan if possible. lol..

IMO, yes they would be national champions. It still wouldn't change my viewpoint though, which is ... fuck O$U those cheatin' bastards!

 

[ColonialHead]

My beef with OSU's schedule isn't that their cupcakes are so week (even though Kent St. is not bowl bound navy so comparing our 'cupcakes' to theirs is a little absurd).

How convenient that you chose Navy as the only ND "cupcake" to mention. How about Stanford? Are they bowl bound? How about Duke? Are they bowl bound?

No offense, but your use of the word "absurd" is what's absurd as far as I'm concerned. Most people reserve the use of words like absurd for truly ridiculous comparisons. Comparing Navy to Kent State is certainly not as ridiculous as you make it seem. Neither are very good on the grand scale.

Yes, Navy is bowl bound... but they are bowl bound with an 8-4 record and 2 of those losses came to Delaware and Ball State.... They beat the likes of Temple, Duke, North Texas and Northern Illinois to compile that bowl bound record. so I would hardly sing their praises just because they are going to a bowl game.

I have a problem with OSU playing for the national championship because they have only beaten one team in the top 25 ( a very mediocre Wisconsin team). As far as I can tell that is equal to the number of top 25 teams Hawaii has beaten. I'll acknowledge that if OSU beats LSU you they will be as good as anybody this year, but that doesn't really say much.

OSU only beat one top 25 team if you take the end of season poll results and apply it to their schedule. However, using the final poll standings to make a case for how many ranked opponents a team has played is (as you like to say) absurd, because some of those teams were ranked when they faced OSU and are not ranked now because they lost to OSU.....

In reality, Ohio State beat 3 ranked teams during the season: #23 Michigan, #24 Penn State and #23 Purdue.... They were all ranked when they faced OSU. Illinois is an extremely solid team and they are bowl bound and that is OSU's only loss....

 

[solo]

If OSU beat LSU for the NC, would this change the way you feel about OSU not belonging in the NC game and would you FEEL they would be the #1 team in CFB? Please put aside your hate for OSU and answer for a unbiased cfb fan if possible. lol..

Thanks...

So what you are saying is that it is OK to beat up on the school for the deaf and blind and the little sisters of Ohio football team, get jacked up up for one game, and be called the champ?

Yes, if OSU wins the game they are the champ. Whether or not they belong in the title game is a different story. 2 other teams also beat LSU. They almost lost 4-5 games. So it's not like OSU is proving themselves beyond a reasonable doubt with a victory.

If OSU played LSU's schedule, what do you think tjheir record would be?

I don't hate OSU. I hate the bowl system. Any team can get jacked up for one game.

 

[MirageSmack]

I hope tOSU gets killed, mainly because if they are successful, then more teams will schedule patsies to win the NC. We're already headed that way right now.

Somewhere along the line this year, someone at OSU said the schedule was easier because they were rebuilding this year. Perrenial powerhouses should not have "rebuilding" years. We may have had one in hindsight, but we didn't schedule weak because of one. Can you see USC or any other top team doing that? Missouri or Kansas, yes. OSU, no!!!

 

[ColonialHead]

I hope tOSU gets killed, mainly because if they are successful, then more teams will schedule patsies to win the NC. We're already headed that way right now.

Somewhere along the line this year, someone at OSU said the schedule was easier because they were rebuilding this year. Perrenial powerhouses should not have "rebuilding" years. We may have had one in hindsight, but we didn't schedule weak because of one. Can you see USC or any other top team doing that? Missouri or Kansas, yes. OSU, no!!!

USC started their season wit the Idaho Vandals...

And unless OSU predicted a rebuilding year 4-5 years ago, when schedules are compiled, then that theory seems to have some holes in it.

Here's an article I recommend:
MSU News: 'College Football Scheduling 101' research topic

"Joe Fan would love for Southern Cal to play non-conference games against Miami, Virginia Tech and Georgia in the same season, but doesn't understand why that's not possible," the assistant professor adds. "That same type of fan is irate when West Virginia plays Division I-AA Wofford."

 

[solo]

USC started their season wit the Idaho Vandals...

And unless OSU predicted a rebuilding year 4-5 years ago, when schedules are compiled, then that theory seems to have some holes in it.

Here's an article I recommend:
MSU News: 'College Football Scheduling 101' research topic

Are you really comparing USC's OOC schedule and OSU's? USC ALWAYS schedules big. This year they played Nebvraska and Notre Dame OOC. Those games usually aren't cupcakes like they were this season.

When was the last time any of OSU's OOC teams were any good?

And are you serious about not trusting the final season polls? Are you crazy? So you put more stock in the "ranking at the time"? So those teams that beat South Florida should get credit for beating a top 10 team? When Louisville was ranked top 10 early in the season, the team that beat them should get credit for beating a top 10? Louisville is CLEARLY NOT top 10 material. The poll that is the MOST ACCURATE is the poll taken after all the games have been played. We have more data to work with. We can see which teams beat which other teams. It is the only poll that it truly accurate because it is the only poll that reflects the results of ALL THE GAMES. To say that polls taken preseason or mid season are more accurate than the final season poll is simply illogical.

Now, of course there are exceptions. Like when a team suffers a major injury. Oregon was a top 5 team with Dixon and not really a top 25 team without him. But if you beat Oregon while Dixon was healthy, in my opinion, that is a premium win. Oregon State beating them at the end of the season without Dixon in the line up is not a premium win.

Now, back to scheduling. We are already seeing teams trying to schedule NC's. West Va, Rutgers, and Louisville all tried to schedule NC's this year. So did Kansas. So did Ohio State. If we reward this behavior then it will only get worse. The regular season will become junk. Every team will start scheduling all pansies OOC and the only interesting games will be conference games. So I hope that OSU sacks up and schedules someone in the years to come.

Notre Dame's schedule? ND does play patsies. But ND's schedule is almost always ranked among the hardest in the land.

 

[kjones]

I'd be willing to say that, but if Hawaii beats Georgia and/or Kansas beats Va. Tech then that makes things a big tougher ...

I go with what John says. Not only is his kid cuter than all yalls whole family, but he's often right. Especially when I agree with him.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

If OSU beat LSU for the NC, would this change the way you feel about OSU not belonging in the NC game and would you FEEL they would be the #1 team in CFB? Please put aside your hate for OSU and answer for a unbiased cfb fan if possible. lol..

Thanks...

I want the Bucknuts to crush LSU. That is all I ask for Xmas.

 

[Buckslife171]

So what you are saying is that it is OK to beat up on the school for the deaf and blind and the little sisters of Ohio football team, get jacked up up for one game, and be called the champ?

Yes, if OSU wins the game they are the champ. Whether or not they belong in the title game is a different story. 2 other teams also beat LSU. They almost lost 4-5 games. So it's not like OSU is proving themselves beyond a reasonable doubt with a victory.

If OSU played LSU's schedule, what do you think tjheir record would be?

I don't hate OSU. I hate the bowl system. Any team can get jacked up for one game.

Solo, here is my opinion on your questions asked.

1. I admit the OSU schedule was very week on OOC games. I would have preferred a tougher OOC schedule too. But the schedule was made out 4-5 years so it's not like they had planned this out but just how it worked out. I will also say that when they put Washington on the schedule years back they were a very good team at the time. Last 2 year they played Texas, next 2 years play USC, then UMiami and then Virgina Tech.. Thats some tough schools right?? I also believed that if the Big Ten wasnt down the OOC schedule wouldnt be talked about as much. In all honesty i dont think anybody would of thought OSU would be in this position especially after losing all the players they did last year. But they did what they had to do..

2. Sec is the toughest conference IMO.. OSU plays LSU schedule still think they play well. Let LSU and some SEC teams play when its cold,snowy and wet.. I do beleive they would struggle. So it goes both ways..

I would also say that if the teams took care of business OSU wouldn't even be in the NC game.. Don't blame them for other teams not taking care of business.

I do agree with you about the playoffs.. But really doenst matter since there will never be one.. It's all about the dollars..

 

[The Polish Irishman]

If OSU beat LSU for the NC, would this change the way you feel about OSU not belonging in the NC game and would you FEEL they would be the #1 team in CFB? Please put aside your hate for OSU and answer for a unbiased cfb fan if possible. lol..

Thanks...

Only if UGA beats Hawaii if not I am convinced Hawaii should be NC if they beat UGA

 

[goldandblue]

That's a very good point.

 

[daytonirish]

If osu beats lsu then they are the nc.

 

[MirageSmack]

Colonial, I wish I had paid attn to that interview more, but my biggest problem with OSU was seeing someone on their staff (not Tressell) justify the schedule saying it was a rebuilding year. I know schedules sometimes don't pan out, but it was still considered easy pre-season per the rankings. USC on the other hand ALWAYS schedules tough, assuming ND keeps up it's end of the bargain.

I think anyone could beat anyone this year. I think HI could beat OSU on a given day. I think every league needs a conf. championship, or every needs to NOT have one. How the independents work out, I don't know. IMO, LSU fan has been less obnoxious than OSU fan, though that could change. I pulled for you guys against Miami awhile back! I'm easy!