What does ND do if we finish 1-11?

[BeatSC]

I think it will be difficult defending keeping CW if we finsih 1-11. It's not just the record but the lack of competitiveness, direction, decision making. How much money does ND lose with a season like this or stand to lose with a season only marginally better than this? The pundits are going to be out in force. I think Mark May has actually been restrained this season. Poor Lou is at a loss for words. CW should not be given any slack next year. The cost to buy out CW's contract is probably less than what ND stands to lose if they have a similar season next year.

Sorry for losing some of my optimism for CW but I think we do have some decent players and should be TCB against these lesser opponents.

Obviously my big game every year is against USC (hence "BeastSC).

Lou never lost to USC except last game
Davie never lost to USC
FAUST!! never lost to USC

 

[goldenlid]

USC cheats.

 

[wahoo]

I don't see the the school doing anything next year. CW still seems to be able to recruit effectively. Whether or not that can be translated into wins is a different matter.

 

[GoshenGipper]

As fustrating as this season has been I think it would destroy the program for good if they blew it all up and tried to start over again this offseason. Yes this year has sucked, but things will improve long term if we let thme run their course. Although I do think there should be a few smaller coaching changes made this offseason.

 

[wahoo]

As fustrating as this season has been I think it would destroy the program for good if they blew it all up and tried to start over again this offseason. Yes this year has sucked, but things will improve long term if we let thme run their course. Although I do think there should be a few smaller coaching changes made this offseason.

ND has been a force in NCAA football too long to be destoyed. It might have some bad years until a coach like Ara comes along (I go back to the 60's)

I just have serious doubts right now if CW can be a head coach on the major college level. Even with a young team we should not be losing back to back games to service academies.

 

[BeatSC]

I think that would depend on the caliber and cache of the coach that they brought in. I'll take Navy or Air Forces coach at this point. What could they do with a top 25 recruiting class? CW has come across with a level of arrogance that should now be tucked away like a tail between his legs now. Whoever is the offensive coordinator now with the Pats has made it look like whoever is in that position is a genius. We didn't try hard enough to get Urban.

 

[NDFan4Life]

I think it will be difficult defending keeping CW if we finsih 1-11. It's not just the record but the lack of competitiveness, direction, decision making. How much money does ND lose with a season like this or stand to lose with a season only marginally better than this? The pundits are going to be out in force. I think Mark May has actually been restrained this season. Poor Lou is at a loss for words. CW should not be given any slack next year. The cost to buy out CW's contract is probably less than what ND stands to lose if they have a similar season next year.

Sorry for losing some of my optimism for CW but I think we do have some decent players and should be TCB against these lesser opponents.

Obviously my big game every year is against USC (hence "BeastSC).

Lou never lost to USC except last game
Davie never lost to USC
FAUST!! never lost to USC

These "Fire Charlie" threads are getting rather tiresome. I don't know what people expected this year. We lost quite a few players and gained some new blood. These guys are either just out of high school or had very limited playing experience last year. I didn't expect a powerhouse team this year. We've had one of the most difficult schedules in CF and played with very few experienced players. I'm not about to jump on the "Fire Charlie" bandwagon, and I doubt I'll be willing to do it next season either.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone wanting ND to get rid of Charlie isn't a true Fightin' Irish fan.

 

[GoshenGipper]

ND has been a force in NCAA football too long to be destoyed. It might have some bad years until a coach like Ara comes along (I go back to the 60's)

I just have serious doubts right now if CW can be a head coach on the major college level. Even with a young team we should not be losing back to back games to service academies.

What coach in his right mind would want to come here with all the extra restrictions and knowing that if he had one bad year he would be gone. They wouldn't be completely destroyed, but I don't think they'd ever really be the special national powerhouse ND again.

 

[GoshenGipper]

These "Fire Charlie" threads are getting rather tiresome. I don't know what people expected this year. We lost quite a few players and gained some new blood. These guys are either just out of high school or had very limited playing experience last year. I didn't expect a powerhouse team this year. We've had one of the most difficult schedules in CF and played with very few experienced players. I'm not about to jump on the "Fire Charlie" bandwagon, and I doubt I'll be willing to do it next season either.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone wanting ND to get rid of Charlie isn't a true Fightin' Irish fan.

I wouldn't go that far. I understand where they're comming from and I'm just as fustrated as most of them, but I do think those of that opion need to be more patient and look at the big picture rather than always blaming the head coach and starting QB.

 

[GoIrish41]

ND has been a force in NCAA football too long to be destoyed. It might have some bad years until a coach like Ara comes along (I go back to the 60's)

I just have serious doubts right now if CW can be a head coach on the major college level. Even with a young team we should not be losing back to back games to service academies.

No question, ND sucks this year and things need to turn around. Talent and experience are what is going to get us through. Experience goes for coaching too. CW will take his licks this year, and he'll apply the lessons to next year. I think ND improves vastly next year. This is a team that has forgotten how to win. It's going to be a long hard offseason, and those who remember how bad this year will work their butts off so they never have to go through this again. That's why recruiting high character guys is so important. This team, Charlie included, will use this season as a stepping stone to better things to come. If there is anyone who doesn't believe that CW is WAAAAY more upset about this season than anyone, I'm sure they are wrong. The guy knows football better than any of the fans and that's why he's the coach. We need to have faith. I'm not drinking KoolAid here. I just know that CW is a smart guy and he'll find a way to put all the talent he's brought in to good use. ND will return to the top of CFB.

 

[wahoo]

What coach in his right mind would want to come here with all the extra restrictions and knowing that if he had one bad year he would be gone. They wouldn't be completely destroyed, but I don't think they'd ever really be the special national powerhouse ND again.

When Ara took the job, ND was called a coaches graveyard. In 3 years, Ara won a NC. The problem is finding that type of individual. If I could do that then I would be a AD somewhere. ND will always be able to find a coach....coaches have tremendous igos.
There are good coaches out there that would take the job.

In order for the Irish to contend again, we need a much improved defense and we need to be able to RUN the ball. Running the football is about desire and I haven't seen a lot of it this year. When you run the ball you demorilize the other team...you impose your WILL on them. Thats the way to win championships!

 

[NDFan4Life]

I wouldn't go that far. I understand where they're comming from and I'm just as fustrated as most of them, but I do think those of that opion need to be more patient and look at the big picture rather than always blaming the head coach and starting QB.

I probably did word that rather strongly, but I'm just so frustrated by the constant "Fire Charlie" talk and the unbelievably horrible season we're having. It's been said 1000 times that this season wasn't going to be good, but people are still screaming for Charlie's head.

 

[Epitome]

I guarantee a win next week. If we don't win I'll donate 1000 vbucks to everyone who put a post on this thread

 

[BeatSC]

IF we win the last 2 games I will back off but Navy, Air Force, Stanford & Duke do not =one of the toughest schedules in CFB. I have been making the same arguments you are making when others some up to me but it is getting harder to sing that same tune after another loss to a lesser opponent. I will hope for the biggest turnaround in ND or CFB history but what would you do next year if ND doesn't win 7 games? I don't want to hear about how we don't get palyers because of the standards. This will be the third year we have a top 10 or better class. I'm still optimistic for next year but I also expect some results.

 

[SouthernIrish]

Atlanta Braves- Worst to First Baby! Been there done that, Keep the Faith!

 

[nube]

YouTube - Leave Charlie Weis Alone!

 

[GoIrish41]

Atlanta Braves- Worst to First Baby! Been there done that, Keep the Faith!

SouthernIrish is on her game tonight. Reps for keeping the faith.

 

[nube]

SouthernIrish is on her game tonight. Reps for keeping the faith.

You sure you are an Eagles fan? You seem way to hopeful to be an Eagles fan.

 

[Timugen]

Yes this year has sucked, but things will improve long term if we let thme run their course. .

Sounds sensible enough, but the fact of the matter is that you don't know this. When a coaching staff fields a team that looks this bad there is very little validity one can put in the "they're inexperienced, give it a little time - it'll work out" attitude.

If whoever is pulling the strings hasn't been able to get this team to improve over 10 games this season, what would lead one (not drunk on kool-aid) to confidently assert that they will be able to magically turn things around over the off-season (or any period of time, for that matter?)

 

[GoIrish41]

It ain't easy being green in 07, but a fan is a fan. I'm in in for the long haul in philly and in south bend.

 

[loomis41973]

If whoever is pulling the strings hasn't been able to get this team to improve over 10 games this season, what would lead one (not drunk on kool-aid) to confidently assert that they will be able to magically turn things around over the off-season?

I agree 10000000 percent....and give you reps for truth

 

[SouthernIrish]

Most Irish fans I know are pretty much in accord-one more year. Jury is out. A pile on at this point helps nothing. If they go 0-12 next year, at least it shows that ND doesn't just fire coaches at will, like Alabama. He was given a legitimate shot with his own players.

Actually, I don't think Notre Dame is the place to learn how to be a college coach in the first place so hiring him maybe wasn't the best move even with all his rings. But he's here, he's our coach and deserves to be supported to the end.

 

[GoIrish41]

If whoever is pulling the strings hasn't been able to get this team to improve over 10 games this season, what would lead one (not drunk on kool-aid) to confidently assert that they will be able to magically turn things around over the off-season (or any period of time, for that matter?)

Come on Timugen, there has been improvement over 10 games.

There were actually flashes today that gave me hope for the future. Jimmy looked better than he did in any game all year. Aldridge (although he didn't get the ball enough) ran hard, and at times actually had holes to run thorugh. That is more than we could say after, say, the GT game. There were a bunch of us who thought that GT was a top 20 team and a top 5 defense after we played them, and look where they are at now. Individual talent has began to emerge with experience. I give you guys like Kamara, AA, Tate, Neal, I. Williams, B. Smith, Aldridge, Walls. I'm not saying that we have made huge strides or are clearly on our way, but to say that ND has made no improvement is just a bit disingenuous, IMO. As bad as we are right now, we were far worse 9, 8, 7, or 6 games ago. CW and the staff are developing talent, and some of us are just too impatient. He'll get this thing turned around. Stay on the bus, dude, cause ND is going places in the next couple of years. Mark my words.

 

[Wham]

Most Irish fans I know are pretty much in accord-one more year. Jury is out. A pile on at this point helps nothing. If they go 0-12 next year, at least it shows that ND doesn't just fire coaches at will, like Alabama. He was given a legitimate shot with his own players.

Actually, I don't think Notre Dame is the place to learn how to be a college coach in the first place so hiring him maybe wasn't the best move even with all his rings. But he's here, he's our coach and deserves to be supported to the end.

Nice post SouthernIrish. Your wisdom is scary.

 

[goldenlid]

I still think CW can turn this thing around. Listening to his presser he knows what's going to happen out there he just needs a way for the players to see what he does. The team last year had guys that where able to do that and help some of the others on the team see it to. I hope all of the slow play is due to not knowing. Guys like JA and AA have gotten better and it looks like they are playing faster. Think of a team with a bunch of players playing as fast and as hard as those guys, I think it can and will happen it just comes with understanding the game that CW is teaching.

 

[Wham]

Come on Timugen, there has been improvement over 10 games.

There were actually flashes today that gave me hope for the future. Jimmy looked better than he did in any game all year. Aldridge (although he didn't get the ball enough) ran hard, and at times actually had holes to run thorugh. That is more than we could say after, say, the GT game. There were a bunch of us who thought that GT was a top 20 team and a top 5 defense after we played them, and look where they are at now. Individual talent has began to emerge with experience. I give you guys like Kamara, AA, Tate, Neal, I. Williams, B. Smith, Aldridge, Walls. I'm not saying that we have made huge strides or are clearly on our way, but to say that ND has made no improvement is just a bit disingenuous, IMO. As bad as we are right now, we were far worse 9, 8, 7, or 6 games ago. CW and the staff are developing talent, and some of us are just too impatient. He'll get this thing turned around. Stay on the bus, dude, cause ND is going places in the next couple of years. Mark my words.

ND has made no improvement. They fought like hell for the first half of the GT game, and defense was good for the UCLA game, but otherwise, team and staff look totally clueless, out of shape, out of......ZIP......rest of the season.

No improvement ever. Totally random effort.

 

[GoIrish41]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think there are signs if you are willing to look. I can completely understand at this point that there are those of us who are unwilling to look for that glimmer of hope, but if you look, it's there. There are some good things happening, just not enough of them to win. But that will come.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Sounds sensible enough, but the fact of the matter is that you don't know this. When a coaching staff fields a team that looks this bad there is very little validity one can put in the "they're inexperienced, give it a little time - it'll work out" attitude.

If whoever is pulling the strings hasn't been able to get this team to improve over 10 games this season, what would lead one (not drunk on kool-aid) to confidently assert that they will be able to magically turn things around over the off-season (or any period of time, for that matter?)

Boo freaking hoo... You want a sure thing to bet on, bet on the sun coming up tomorrow.

And I don't want to hear you spout off about "us" drinking the Kool-Aid either. The only thing you've done on this site is bitch and moan. It's one thing to be a fan. It's quite another to be a fan when the team is down. I believe you're neither.

Just try not to hurt yourself jumping back on the bandwagon when we get good again. I hear it's one hell of a first step.

 

[tripsdad]

I think it will be difficult defending keeping CW if we finsih 1-11. It's not just the record but the lack of competitiveness, direction, decision making. How much money does ND lose with a season like this or stand to lose with a season only marginally better than this? The pundits are going to be out in force. I think Mark May has actually been restrained this season. Poor Lou is at a loss for words. CW should not be given any slack next year. The cost to buy out CW's contract is probably less than what ND stands to lose if they have a similar season next year.

Sorry for losing some of my optimism for CW but I think we do have some decent players and should be TCB against these lesser opponents.

Obviously my big game every year is against USC (hence "BeastSC).

Lou never lost to USC except last game
Davie never lost to USC
FAUST!! never lost to USC

Faust lost to AFA four years in a row.

 

[GoIrish41]

Faust lost to AFA four years in a row.

That's worse than just this year. Right on!