Wheres DJ Hord been?

[notredomer23]

I thought he was supposed to be a huge impact? is he injured or something?

 

[johnnd05]

He may not be totally recovered from his Achilles injury; if that's true it would really suck. In any case he doesn't even appear on the latest depth chart, and he didn't play in any of the last three games. But until a reporter asks Charlie about it - which I haven't seen, at least - we're sort of in the dark on what's going on.

In any case it seems to be time to write him off as a bust; a real pity, since I still remember how excited I got seeing his speed on his very first KOR as a true freshman.

 

[notredomer23]

He may not be totally recovered from his Achilles injury; if that's true it would really suck. In any case he doesn't even appear on the latest depth chart, and he didn't play in any of the last three games. But until a reporter asks Charlie about it - which I haven't seen, at least - we're sort of in the dark on what's going on.

In any case it seems to be time to write him off as a bust; a real pity, since I still remember how excited I got seeing his speed on his very first KOR as a true freshman.

yeah, its almost sad because I remember at the end of the season last year everyone was really getting excited about him being the #1 Receiver. Sorry it didnt work out for him.

 

[loomis41973]

He was FAST. Thats a tough injury to come back from.

 

[goldandblue]

Maybe he'll bounce back, If it is an injury issue are you sure it is time to write him off as a bust? I would rather find out a little more about the situation before we "write him off".

 

[johnnd05]

Maybe he'll bounce back, If it is an injury issue are you sure it is time to write him off as a bust? I would rather find out a little more about the situation before we "write him off".

Maybe you're right. But it's definitely a tough injury to recover from, and at this point he's had more than a year to do so. I suppose you never know what the future holds, but at this point he's a junior - or a redshirt sophomore, I guess - and isn't seeing the field at all ...

 

[goldandblue]

True, A question for anyone on here, If you come to Notre Dame on a football schollie and can't play anymore due to injury, what happens? What do they do with you?

 

[johnnd05]

True, A question for anyone on here, If you come to Notre Dame on a football schollie and can't play anymore due to injury, what happens? What do they do with you?

They'd definitely keep you on scholarship, though maybe it would be non-athletic if they could work that out.

 

[Timugen]

True, A question for anyone on here, If you come to Notre Dame on a football schollie and can't play anymore due to injury, what happens? What do they do with you?

I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure they honor the scholarship, assuming injury is the only reason the person is no longer able to play. Someone please correct me on this if I'm wrong.

 

[goldandblue]

Thanks guys, I didn't know how they did that. I'm assuming they keep you on scholarship but take you off the roster right?

 

[Timugen]

Thanks guys, I didn't know how they did that. I'm assuming they keep you on scholarship but take you off the roster right?

I would assume they get them off of athletic scholarship (and hence, the roster) and put them on some other type of scholarship.

 

[SoCalDomer]

He may not be totally recovered from his Achilles injury

He was FAST. Thats a tough injury to come back from.

Yes, that's an extremely difficult injury to come back from where the sport you play and the position you play requires bursting speed and full speed sprints. Adn it depends on how serious of a rupture.

I ruptured the same leg twice (first full rupture, second partial), and while I was never a wide receiver, I did play play college baseball. Once you rupture, it destroys your confidence and you are always hesistant to push off. I was done playing competitive sports when I ruptured, but I still have the fear of re-rupturing.

 

[goldandblue]

I'm sure it has affected his mentality. He's probably thinking everytime he comes off the line that he's going to get injured again.

 

[kmoose]

I would assume they get them off of athletic scholarship (and hence, the roster) and put them on some other type of scholarship.

Notre Dame does not give out athletic scholarships. Before anyone gets their panties in a wad, I know that there are some people at ND who are only on scholarship because they are athletes. But the University doesn't call those scholarships "athletic scholarships". I know it's semantics, but it's the way it is.

 

[Timugen]

Notre Dame does not give out athletic scholarships. Before anyone gets their panties in a wad, I know that there are some people at ND who are only on scholarship because they are athletes. But the University doesn't call those scholarships "athletic scholarships". I know it's semantics, but it's the way it is.

Yep, and our football team isn't horrendous this year, they're just <del>victory</del> 1st-down-challenged.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Hord was the only big name from the '05 signees. I remember watching him in the Army AA game on NBC. He was promising. Best of luck in his comeback.

 

[jonesman]

Guys,
He is not still hurt. If you watched some of the games, he has made a few catches. He actually looked real good in the media practice in the fall. He has also looked good on the practice video's. As I have been saying for a while, this is another instance of where Charlie FAILS miserably at getting more players in the rotation. This hampers our ability to do player development. Ask yourselves if you think that Luke Schmidt is so bad that he should not get some more time at FB. CW falls into a rut with certain players and then others just sit and rot. Are you telling me that Hord is that far behind Parris, West and Grimes. Other than a few good catches out of Parris, what have you seen from all three that would make you want to keep every other receiver on the bench. Last season, we did not give any of the young players a chance to play. I believe very strongly that this is more of CW's NFL upbringing where you play the starters and let the others stand on the sidelines. The HUGE difference is that these are young kids who need development and further, your starters are going to graduate at some point. Shame on CW and his player development.

 

[johnnd05]

Guys,
He is not still hurt. If you watched some of the games, he has made a few catches. He actually looked real good in the media practice in the fall. He has also looked good on the practice video's. As I have been saying for a while, this is another instance of where Charlie FAILS miserably at getting more players in the rotation. This hampers our ability to do player development. Ask yourselves if you think that Luke Schmidt is so bad that he should not get some more time at FB. CW falls into a rut with certain players and then others just sit and rot. Are you telling me that Hord is that far behind Parris, West and Grimes. Other than a few good catches out of Parris, what have you seen from all three that would make you want to keep every other receiver on the bench. Last season, we did not give any of the young players a chance to play. I believe very strongly that this is more of CW's NFL upbringing where you play the starters and let the others stand on the sidelines. The HUGE difference is that these are young kids who need development and further, your starters are going to graduate at some point. Shame on CW and his player development.

Jonesman, you may be right that he's not still hurt. But that doesn't mean that his poor play is the staff's fault. If he's not getting the job done - in practice or on the field - and is being passed up by other players, maybe it's his own damn fault. Sometimes even the most highly-rated players turn out to be busts; raw talent in high school doesn't always translate to D-I success.

Again, I'm not saying it's definitive that DJ won't get it together. I'm just saying that there's NO justification for knee-jerk indictments of the staff unless you have specific evidence to support what you're saying.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I tend to agree w/ Jonesman. Weis doesn't seem to manage well when he's got a plethora of talent at one position. WR is the most glaring example.

In '05, after McKnight had a season ending injury in the UM game, he never had to think about who to play at WR. It was Stovall & Samardzija w/ the addition of Shelton on 3 WR sets.

Now he's got Grimes (the most experienced), West (2nd most experienced), Parris, Kamara, Tate, Hord, Gallup. Since they were all pretty much starting from the same point, w/ the exception of Grimes; they seemed to all blur together.

The only WR who had performances that stick out are Parris, Kamara & Tate. Grimes has had some great catches on bad throws, but yet to have a game where he was a difference maker. Throw Carlson in there, too.

 

[johnnd05]

I tend to agree w/ Jonesman. Weis doesn't seem to manage well when he's got a plethora of talent at one position. WR is the most glaring example.

In '05, after McKnight had a season ending injury in the UM game, he never had to think about who to play at WR. It was Stovall & Samardzija w/ the addition of Shelton on 3 WR sets.

Now he's got Grimes (the most experienced), West (2nd most experienced), Parris, Kamara, Tate, Hord, Gallup. Since they were all pretty much starting from the same point, w/ the exception of Grimes; they seemed to all blur together.

The only WR who had performances that stick out are Parris, Kamara & Tate. Grimes has had some great catches on bad throws, but yet to have a game where he was a difference maker. Throw Carlson in there, too.

Sorry but I'm not sure how Weis can be expected to get the ball to SEVEN different wide receivers when (1) his QBs can't throw the ball all that well, and (2) he has an All-American at tight end and some players in the backfield who can also do things when they catch it. Guys are going to beat each other out for playing time - that's just a fact of life. And if Grimes, West, Parris, Kamara, and Tate have all out-performed Hord, then that's their victory and his loss. I'm not sure what Weis is supposed to do about it.

 

[jonesman]

John,
It is not knee jerk. I have watched the films and based on what I see, Hord looks every bit as good as most of our starting players. Further, even the writers who were watching the practices stated how well he was catching the ball. In the open fall practice he made a couple of great catches and these were in game type situations. If you look at the very passes throw his way this fall, he made good catches. I only remember the long overthrown ball early in the year that was a miss. I think we all have the right to question Charlie's ability to develop youth on the team at this point. Yes, he did get Brady and some of our experienced receivers to step their game up, BUT these players all had played atleast two season prior to CW getting ahold of them. Name me one young player that has shown development in the last two seasons. Carlson is about the only one. OL, they have all regressed. WR, no one got a chance to play except Shark and McKnight. RB, Darius got 98% of the carries, great way to develop youth there. FB, Asaph continues to under perform, but hey he can bench press a house. CW still has an NFL mentality and he better learn quickly that this is a totally different world.

 

[Steve]

maybe he's just the best practice player around. i remember the redskins drafted taylor jacobs from florida and all i heard was that he was the most impressive reciever during practice. yeah, who knows what he's up to now.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Well, unlike WVU players, at least he's not in jail...

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Sorry but I'm not sure how Weis can be expected to get the ball to SEVEN different wide receivers when (1) his QBs can't throw the ball all that well, and (2) he has an All-American at tight end and some players in the backfield who can also do things when they catch it. Guys are going to beat each other out for playing time - that's just a fact of life. And if Grimes, West, Parris, Kamara, and Tate have all out-performed Hord, then that's their victory and his loss. I'm not sure what Weis is supposed to do about it.

No need to apologize. My point is not what you alluded to above. My point is that there is no consistency at WR. First, we're led to believe the 'smurfs', West & Grimes, will be the starters going into the season. Since then it's been a free-for-all w/ a revolving door of WR which is fine if there's some consistency in performance, but I haven't seen it.

Now maybe there's a method to Weis's madness. However, I think it can be perceived that there's some indecision about managing a position w/ so much depth. I hope he's thought out everything he's done b/c, my concern, is burning a young kids eligibility over a few plays here & there.

Robert Hughes is a perfect example of just a case. Why give the kid an average of one carry per game if you're gonna burn his redshirt? Were those handful of plays so strategically geared towards Hughes, that none of the other RBs could have toted the ball?

Like I said, maybe there's a method to Weis's madness. That's why he gets paid the big bucks.

 

[jonesman]

Steve,
How can Charlie make a judgement based on practice. They did not hit during the fall and did not run full speed contact scrimmages. They started doing that after we took several asskickings this season. There is a huge difference being a WR in soft hitting scrimmage situations vs full blown hitting. Many a good hands guy loses confidence when he gets blasted by a DB. This is why I think CW's evaluation of who should play and not is seriously flawed. I remember a very interesting quote by Charlie himself. "There are many guys who look great in shorts and helmets, but that all changes when the pads go on and the hitting starts." This is so very true. Hey Chuck, you did not do any real hitting during fall camp, so how did you make your judgements or teach game speed play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh that is right, you don't need to hit in the NFL camp since these are all men who know what to do. Except this is NOT the Patriots anymore, it is freaking ND with 18 year old BOYZ, not men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GoshenGipper]

Is it just me or does just about every thread these days get turned into I think the staff sucks vs. let's be rational and give them more time?

 

[Irish52]

An injury to an athlete who attended the university on a scholarship remains on scholarship regardless of what it is called. Not many universities do that.

 

[SoCalDomer]

Is it just me or does just about every thread these days get turned into I think the staff sucks vs. let's be rational and give them more time?

I've noticed that trend too.

 

[Timugen]

Is it just me or does just about every thread these days get turned into I think the staff sucks vs. let's be rational and give them more time?

Well it is rather difficult to ignore the 2,000,000,000,000,000 lb gorilla sitting in the room.


And I wouldn't be throwing "rational" on either side of that argument GG.

 

[GoshenGipper]

Well it is rather difficult to ignore the 2,000,000,000,000,000 lb gorilla sitting in the room.


And I wouldn't be throwing "rational" on either side of that argument GG.

Why, because you're on the other side? Zing!