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[Sureal]

Dobbs: NY governor needs a learner's permit - CNN.com


NY Governer giving driver liscenses to illegal immigrants...

hwhateve

 

[goldandblue]

Hell, they have been doing that in tennessee for years. Beleive it or not, You actually have to have more proof of who you are if you have lived here your whole life than you do if you just jumped a fence to get over here to get a license in TN.

 

[Sureal]

I'm in like disbelief. You wonder why is this stuff allowed? It doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[goldandblue]

Cause this world is full of chicken shit pansies who aren't willing to stand up against the illegal immigrants. I don't have a problem with any race of people. But if your breaking the law then your breaking the Law. Americans should go "break in" to another country and have no taxes to pay and free health care.

 

[Sureal]

Here is the worse part about it:

This is a bureaucratic and security nightmare, and while the governor promises the program will run smoothly, Juan Carlos Polanco, GOP elections commissioner in the Bronx, says there are plenty of worries over the National Voter Registration Act. Polanco argues that the threat to our democracy lies in the fact that nobody at the Department of Motor Vehicles or the Board of Elections is cross-checking to make sure that drivers are eligible to vote in the first place.

Wow. I'm all for immigrants. Legal immigrants. That doesn't make me racist or anything just the fact that I feel things should be done the right way.

My only question is what is behind this decision???

 

[IRISHDODGER]

This topic put Hillary in quite a pickle in last nite's Dem debate. Lucky for her that Obama & Edwards are wusses & didn't hit her nearly as hard as she would've hit them. Still, it's classic Clinton that harkens back to the "That depends on what the definition of the word 'is' is" days.

 

[Junkhead]

I'm in favor of people trying to better themselves, but "awarding" privledges to illegals who don't even pay taxes is ridiculous. It's just another example of American Gov't officials going against what the majority of the citizens want.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

We ought to string up the politicians who put electoral votes before common sense, and the safety of our country.

 

[goldandblue]

The law of naturalization states;

Eligibility for naturalization
To become a naturalized United States citizen, one must be at least eighteen years of age at the time of filing, a legal permanent resident of the United States, and have had a status of a legal permanent resident in the United States for five years less 90 days before they apply (this requirement is reduced to three years less 90 days if they (a) acquired legal permanent resident status (b) have been married to and living with a citizen for the past three years and (c) the spouse has been a US citizen for at least three years prior to the appicant applying for naturalization.) They must have been physically present for at least 30 months of 60 months prior to the date of filing their application. Also during those 60 months if the legal permanent resident was outside of the U.S. for a continuous period of 6 months or more they are disqualified from naturalizing (certain exceptions apply for those continuous periods of six months to 1 year). They must be a "person of good moral character", and must pass a test on United States history and government.[2][3] Most applicants must also have a working knowledge of the English language.[2] There are exceptions, introduced in 1990, for long-resident older applicants and those with mental or physical disabilities.[4][5]). This requirement for an ability to read, write, and speak English is not an onerous one, since the test requires that applicants read and write simple sentences in English, such as "The United States is a democracy".

As this is a federal law the constitution states;

Article III. - The Judicial Branch Note
Section 1 - Judicial powers

The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Section 2 - Trial by Jury, Original Jurisdiction, Jury Trials

(The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.) (This section in parentheses is modified by the 11th Amendment.)

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

Section 3 - Treason Note

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

So why can't we do something about this?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

The law of naturalization states;


As this is a federal law the constitution states;

So why can't we do something about this?

Because most of those spineless politicians don't want to appear to be racist. It's white guilt along w/ securing guaranteed votes for the Dems. I wonder if a country like Norway or Ireland bordered the USA to the south instead of Mexico, would there be such a clamoring for amnesty by some of Congress? My guess, is you'd see a lot more agreement on enforcement of the borders.

The good thing is that we still live in a representative Republic & the people's voices were heard on the Amnesty issue as well as the latest "Dream Act". While expected to pass or be sneaked thru Congress, the people voiced their disdain to their Senators & Reps. The same happened in NY as Spitzer has backed off this issue. America's voice was also heard regarding the Dubai Ports & the so-called Fairness Doctrine. If not, both would have most likely been approved.

Of course, that won't keep the pols in DC from ignoring the will of the nation & continue to ram amnesty down America's throats.

Personally, all discussion should be tabled until the borders are unanimously secured. Then we can talk about a solution regarding the illegals already in our country.

 

[notredomer23]

Well, this sure makes the republicans look good, IMO, and now they have a butt of there jokes in the next debate, not that she wasnt already

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Well, this sure makes the republicans look good, IMO, and now they have a butt of there jokes in the next debate, not that she wasnt already

Bush was just as shortsighted as he still fully supports "comprehensive immigration reform"; i.e. amnesty.

Then again, he's a lame duck.

 

[Wham]

Not a very interesting topic at all, but I'll try to make it interesting...

I have never met an illegal immigrant who directly negatively affected my life enough to get me mad enough to post on the internet.

As a matter of fact, I don't know if I have ever met an illegal immigrant because I never bother to ask my neighbor if they are legal or not. Hey Sage, oh "reader of God's word" (as you proudly display in your bio), what has happened to you personally that this story interests you? What does the "word of God" encourage you to do?

What does the word of God say about gas prices , and record oil company profits, and the US invasion of Iraq, and lost family members defending US, using WMDs and 9-11 as the catalyst?

What does God tell you?

 

[johnnd05]

Want an interesting topic? HERE'S an interesting topic ...

(Via BGS)

In Related News, Army is Affiliated With the Army

In one of the bigger headscratchers in recent memory, Idris Leppla, a senior at Barnard College majoring in political science, wrote an opinion piece for The Columbia Spectator, in which she shared her shock and concern upon discovering that her brother, a student at the Naval Academy, was in fact being trained to be part of the American military. Apparently, this Jewel of the Seven Sisters, and her family, didn't realize that the United States Naval Academy was in fact affiliated with the United States Navy:

"When I talked to my brother about why he wanted to go, he admitted that it was because he was drawn to the structure of the place—as a kid who did not want to sit around and drink beer during college, he liked the fact that he would be busy and have a purpose. I soon became comfortable with the idea of the academy, as if it would be a haven for my brother’s undergraduate career. And when people would congratulate me on my brother’s decision, it made me feel reassured.

Soon that pride turned to anger and fear: after my mom dropped him off at Annapolis, she came home with an acute sense of grief. The only thing she could talk about was how to get him out. In addition to missing his presence at home, she was scared by the extent to which her son had suddenly become the property of the U.S. Navy."​

Leppla further distinguished herself as follows:

"My brother ended up liking Annapolis and he has decided to stay. While it has been difficult for me to accept that I have a brother in the military, I must allow him to pursue whatever path he is drawn toward, and he has admitted to me that he feels called to being there. However, for anyone else out there considering a career in the academy, let it be known: the U.S. Naval Academy is not an elite college; it is first and foremost a branch of the U.S. military and the prestige comes at a big price—it taxes parents, siblings, and participants if they do not understand what they were signing up for."​

The political science program at Barnard must be a doozy, if Idris wasn't aware of the existence of military academies which educate and train young men and women to become officers in the military. She went on to say that she hadn't been aware that Michigan State University was a state university located in Michigan, or that George Washington University is named for former President George Washington (or, as he's known in the Barnard curriculum, White Male Slaveholding Overlord #1). Ms. Leppla's confusion isn't confined solely to colleges and universities: she reportedly didn't know that toy stores sell toys, or that TV's Real People was about real people.

While her comments have turned some heads, Idris has reportedly been praised by recent Columbia guest speaker Mahmoud Ahmadenijad for "speaking truth to power", and her name has been placed in nomination for the 2008 Nobel Peace Prize. As for me, I think that the Naval Academy is an elite college, and I have known since I was, say, 4 years old that it's affiliated with the U.S. Navy, and I would be damn proud to have a family member go to school there.

 

[goldandblue]

Not a very interesting topic at all, but I'll try to make it interesting...

I have never met an illegal immigrant who directly negatively affected my life enough to get me mad enough to post on the internet.

Illegal Immigrant Guilty of Killing Mother, 2 Kids
Filed under: Colorado, Illegal Immigration, Media Bias, News, child abuse, crime, immigration, murder — readthis @ 10:32 am
Illegal immigrant Lawrence Trujillo has pleaded guilty to driving drunk and running over a family, killing Rebecca Binham, her 4-year-old daughter Macie and 2-year-old son Garrison.

Recent articles on Lawrence Trujillo hide his illegal status.

Tell the Father and Husband that illegals should be over here.

Illegal Immigrant Sentenced for 3 Sexual Assaults
Filed under: Illegal Immigration, Media Bias, News, crime, immigration, rape, sexual assault — readthis @ 6:48 am
Illegal immigrant John Giraldo has been sentenced to 30 years for three sexual assaults in the Hamptons area of New York . He is suspected of 33 other incidents of public lewdness. The story fails to identify Giraldo as an illegal immigrant, however the original story did mention his illegal status.

Illegal Immigrant Murdered Catholic Deacon
Filed under: Illegal Immigration, Media Bias, News, Utah, crime, immigration, murder — readthis @ 4:35 pm
Illegal immigrant Cunny Pelaez has pleaded guilty to the shotgun murder of Catholic Deacon Aniceto Armendariz. The article describes Pelaez only as a “Mexican national” but the original reports of the shooting identified him as an illegal immigrant.

Just some of the many many stories you will find.

 

[Sureal]

Not a very interesting topic at all, but I'll try to make it interesting...

I have never met an illegal immigrant who directly negatively affected my life enough to get me mad enough to post on the internet.

As a matter of fact, I don't know if I have ever met an illegal immigrant because I never bother to ask my neighbor if they are legal or not. Hey Sage, oh "reader of God's word" (as you proudly display in your bio), what has happened to you personally that this story interests you? What does the "word of God" encourage you to do?

What does the word of God say about gas prices , and record oil company profits, and the US invasion of Iraq, and lost family members defending US, using WMDs and 9-11 as the catalyst?

What does God tell you?

Wow. First off, are you attacking the faith I believe in? I could answer you with bible but do yourself a favor and read it yourself and you find out. I don't have to prove jack to you. Who are you? Judge and Jury of my salvation? Stay in your place. I haven't came on here messing with anyone's belief system so I would appreciate it if you would do the same. I believe as a community the church needs to reach out way more than jumping into national politics so your arguments are for someone else.

I just thought it was interesting that illegal immigrants can get a driving license and possibly vote. IT'S WRONG!!! Go through the process and get legal. Don't be 30 years in the country not wanting to do things the right way. I'm not saying close the borders just get legal. That is all. Where all that other stuff you said came from I don't know?

Who said I agreed with the war? Or are you just generalizing every Christian into one pod? Well how did the war even come into this discussion? Who said I am for any of that? In one post somewhere I think GH I stated that I didn't want us lumped into one category as those nutcases that like to protest at a HERO'S funeral. Most of us don't get down like that and it makes all Christians look bad when a few act hellish.

I'm not going to argue with you at all but don't question my faith or where I stand in it.

 

[Sureal]

Want an interesting topic? HERE'S an interesting topic ...

(Via BGS)

In Related News, Army is Affiliated With the Army

In one of the bigger headscratchers in recent memory, Idris Leppla, a senior at Barnard College majoring in political science, wrote an opinion piece for The Columbia Spectator, in which she shared her shock and concern upon discovering that her brother, a student at the Naval Academy, was in fact being trained to be part of the American military. Apparently, this Jewel of the Seven Sisters, and her family, didn't realize that the United States Naval Academy was in fact affiliated with the United States Navy:

"When I talked to my brother about why he wanted to go, he admitted that it was because he was drawn to the structure of the place—as a kid who did not want to sit around and drink beer during college, he liked the fact that he would be busy and have a purpose. I soon became comfortable with the idea of the academy, as if it would be a haven for my brother’s undergraduate career. And when people would congratulate me on my brother’s decision, it made me feel reassured.

Soon that pride turned to anger and fear: after my mom dropped him off at Annapolis, she came home with an acute sense of grief. The only thing she could talk about was how to get him out. In addition to missing his presence at home, she was scared by the extent to which her son had suddenly become the property of the U.S. Navy."​

Leppla further distinguished herself as follows:

"My brother ended up liking Annapolis and he has decided to stay. While it has been difficult for me to accept that I have a brother in the military, I must allow him to pursue whatever path he is drawn toward, and he has admitted to me that he feels called to being there. However, for anyone else out there considering a career in the academy, let it be known: the U.S. Naval Academy is not an elite college; it is first and foremost a branch of the U.S. military and the prestige comes at a big price—it taxes parents, siblings, and participants if they do not understand what they were signing up for."​

The political science program at Barnard must be a doozy, if Idris wasn't aware of the existence of military academies which educate and train young men and women to become officers in the military. She went on to say that she hadn't been aware that Michigan State University was a state university located in Michigan, or that George Washington University is named for former President George Washington (or, as he's known in the Barnard curriculum, White Male Slaveholding Overlord #1). Ms. Leppla's confusion isn't confined solely to colleges and universities: she reportedly didn't know that toy stores sell toys, or that TV's Real People was about real people.

While her comments have turned some heads, Idris has reportedly been praised by recent Columbia guest speaker Mahmoud Ahmadenijad for "speaking truth to power", and her name has been placed in nomination for the 2008 Nobel Peace Prize. As for me, I think that the Naval Academy is an elite college, and I have known since I was, say, 4 years old that it's affiliated with the U.S. Navy, and I would be damn proud to have a family member go to school there.

People are crazy. You may not be for the war but you support the troops.

 

[Wham]

Well, if you put it that way...
But, there are plenty of homegrown stories to go around as well. It's not as if all immigrants do this. How do you find these troublemakers in the first place?

Your post doesn't quite answer the driver's license question though.

It seems to me that the few (3 or 4) people I have met (in real life) who are obsessed with the "immigration" problem all have certain characteristics in common, and I haven't heard any of them give a good reason for their hatred or their obsession. None of them have experienced what you posted above, and their opinions are based on stuff they see in media.

Other than that, I don't know enough to form an educated opinion on the issue, but I am starting to pay attention.

 

[Wham]

Wow. First off, are you attacking the faith I believe in?....
I just thought it was interesting that illegal immigrants can get a driving license and possibly vote. IT'S WRONG!!!...
Who said I agreed with the war? Or are you just generalizing every Christian into one pod? Well how did the war even come into this discussion? Who said I am for any of that?

The immigration issue seems to be one hell of a bandwagon topic, and you chose to bring it into a football forum. How and why did that happen? I mentioned your "word of God" stance because you have that printed in your bio, and funny thing is, some of the most hateful people I have met lately are also the loudest Bible thumpers around. I am not lumping you in that category. I don't know you.


I brought up the "conflict" because that is an issue that is blatantly obvious to everyone, clearly affecting lives in measurable ways. It seems to me that I have heard an enormous amount of blatant wrongs in the last few years that seem to pass with less coverage than the immigration challenge.

This is a country of immigrants. That has not changed. What has changed are the rules. I'm sure those that are working on the issue are seeking the best solution possible.

As for myself, as I previously mentioned, I'm starting to pay attention.

 

[WalshND]

Want an interesting topic? HERE'S an interesting topic ...

(Via BGS)

In Related News, Army is Affiliated With the Army

In one of the bigger headscratchers in recent memory, Idris Leppla, a senior at Barnard College majoring in political science, wrote an opinion piece for The Columbia Spectator, in which she shared her shock and concern upon discovering that her brother, a student at the Naval Academy, was in fact being trained to be part of the American military. Apparently, this Jewel of the Seven Sisters, and her family, didn't realize that the United States Naval Academy was in fact affiliated with the United States Navy:

"When I talked to my brother about why he wanted to go, he admitted that it was because he was drawn to the structure of the place—as a kid who did not want to sit around and drink beer during college, he liked the fact that he would be busy and have a purpose. I soon became comfortable with the idea of the academy, as if it would be a haven for my brother’s undergraduate career. And when people would congratulate me on my brother’s decision, it made me feel reassured.

Soon that pride turned to anger and fear: after my mom dropped him off at Annapolis, she came home with an acute sense of grief. The only thing she could talk about was how to get him out. In addition to missing his presence at home, she was scared by the extent to which her son had suddenly become the property of the U.S. Navy."​

Leppla further distinguished herself as follows:

"My brother ended up liking Annapolis and he has decided to stay. While it has been difficult for me to accept that I have a brother in the military, I must allow him to pursue whatever path he is drawn toward, and he has admitted to me that he feels called to being there. However, for anyone else out there considering a career in the academy, let it be known: the U.S. Naval Academy is not an elite college; it is first and foremost a branch of the U.S. military and the prestige comes at a big price—it taxes parents, siblings, and participants if they do not understand what they were signing up for."​

The political science program at Barnard must be a doozy, if Idris wasn't aware of the existence of military academies which educate and train young men and women to become officers in the military. She went on to say that she hadn't been aware that Michigan State University was a state university located in Michigan, or that George Washington University is named for former President George Washington (or, as he's known in the Barnard curriculum, White Male Slaveholding Overlord #1). Ms. Leppla's confusion isn't confined solely to colleges and universities: she reportedly didn't know that toy stores sell toys, or that TV's Real People was about real people.

While her comments have turned some heads, Idris has reportedly been praised by recent Columbia guest speaker Mahmoud Ahmadenijad for "speaking truth to power", and her name has been placed in nomination for the 2008 Nobel Peace Prize. As for me, I think that the Naval Academy is an elite college, and I have known since I was, say, 4 years old that it's affiliated with the U.S. Navy, and I would be damn proud to have a family member go to school there.

I'm so mad after reading that I don't think I should even post. I just love how some people enjoy wrapping themselves in the blanket of freedom, provided to them, by others.
Idris has reportedly been praised by recent Columbia guest speaker Mahmoud Ahmadenijad I'm foaming at the mouth right now.

 

[Sureal]

The immigration issue seems to be one hell of a bandwagon topic, and you chose to bring it into a football forum. How and why did that happen? I mentioned your "word of God" stance because you have that printed in your bio, and funny thing is, some of the most hateful people I have met lately are also the loudest Bible thumpers around.

I brought up the "conflict" because that is an issue that is blatantly obvious to everyone, clearly affecting lives in measurable ways. It seems to me that I have heard an enormous amount of blatant wrongs in the last few years that seem to pass with less coverage than the immigration challenge.

This is a country of immigrants. That has not changed. What has changed are the rules. I'm sure those that are working on the issue are seeking the best solution possible.

As for myself, as I previously mentioned, I'm starting to pay attention.

This is the Lounge homey. We can bring things like this up.

So you peek in people profiles to find something to try and needle them about? Interesting.

I like reading the Bible. And?

Too bad I'm not hateful nor a Bible thumper. Wrong person to accuse find someone else to try it with.

I was just amazed at some of the stuff that flies. I just don't understand the decision behind it. I was trying to find out because from jump it didn't make sense. I apologize for offending you.

This is my last response to you about this matter seeing that throughout this site you are trying your hardest to get into it with somebody. I'm not the one nor am I about that.. Peace...

 

[Sureal]

I'm so mad after reading that I don't think I should even post. I just love how some people enjoy wrapping themselves in the blanket of freedom, provided to them, by others.
Idris has reportedly been praised by recent Columbia guest speaker Mahmoud Ahmadenijad I'm foaming at the mouth right now.

It does make you sick. Just about as bad as a bunch of "Christians" protesting at a soldiers funeral. That is how some people are.

This crap will make you snap if you dwell on it too long.

 

[WalshND]

I brought up the "conflict" ....

Man! You always seem to get on my last nerve lately. It's not a conflict. It's a war. but what would I know. (I've only been there.)

 

[NDFan4Life]

A few things for people to peruse:

Crime Victims Of Illegal Aliens

From the site:

There is an enormous number of Americans who have been harmed by the criminals who pass through the nation's open borders. For that reason, this section can only provide a symbolic tribute to the many unnamed victims who have been killed, raped, robbed, crippled and otherwise personally violated.

The Costs of Illegal Immigration

From the site:

WASHINGTON (August 25, 2004) — A new study from the Center for Immigration Studies is one of the first to estimate the impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Based on Census Bureau data, the study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also likely to be significant. The study also finds that if illegals were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow to nearly $29 billion.

Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually

From the site:

In hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year.

The Estimated Cost of Illegal Immigration

From the site:

Illegal alien workers may increase profits for employers, but they are costly to the American taxpayer. Most illegal aliens have low educational attainment, few skills, and they work for low wages, often in the underground economy where they pay no taxes on their earnings. Since about three million illegal aliens gained legal status in the amnesty of 1986, the flow of illegal immigration has increased, and today that population is estimated at 9-11 million illegal alien residents in the country. The former Immigration and Naturalization Service estimated that the illegal alien population was increasing by about half a million aliens per year in 2000.

 

[johnnd05]

It does make you sick. Just about as bad as a bunch of "Christians" protesting at a soldiers funeral. That is how some people are.

This crap will make you snap if you dwell on it too long.

Right on.

 

[Wham]

This is the Lounge homey. We can bring things like this up.

I agree. But it caught my attention because when I realized it was you who brought it up, I connected my real life experience with your bio that states you read the bible as a hobby.

So you peek in people profiles to find something to try and needle them about? Interesting.

I never heard of you on this forum until you sent me a private message recently with a gift attached. Of course I am going to look at the bio of a stranger bearing gifts.

I apologize for offending you.

How could I possibly have been offended? I am the offender on this forum. If I can dish it out, I am fully prepared to take it.

I am not a defender of anything illegal, but as I indicated before, the only people I have met that are passionate about the topic have never ever experienced anything like the atrocities described elsewhere in this thread. They have a different agenda. They also are highly uneducated, they are loud bible thumpers, and they share other similar characteristics. I was wondering if you shared those similar characteristics.

You did bring up the topic.

I am listening to this issue now. When I listen, I want to consider the source. I don't want to blindly take sides simply because the first squeeky wheel needed grease. That is a mistake all too common everywhere all the time. I only jump on bandwagons that have solid wheels. Have you looked into the reasons why this might be a good idea, or did you simply turn off your brain when you heard "illegal alien"?