So I'm getting the feeling we are losing love for Beal and Filer

[Stalking_Eagle]

Are we fans not as excited for these fellas. Are we leaning more towards other men to fill the spots. I'm not saying the coaches feelings, just us fans. I'm tired of following all the talk in everyone else recruiting threads. I just want to get the low down all in one thread.

 

[Jason Pham]

There is definitely a group of people who follow recruiting who are quick to jump on the 'not great anyway' wagon when a recruit who could have committed, and very well might have, doesn't. A lot of hope and unfortunately a bit of emotion gets thrown into the recruiting following and when a recruit who showed a lot of love for Notre Dame, at one point, decides to postpone or not commit at all, I've seen people go cold on them for wanting to make a decision that is right for them and not necessarily right for Our Lady. It's no surprise really, it happens everywhere. Take, for example, the Clausen camp's quick drop from the praise and worship list of USC fans and writers. I see it happening a little less from Irish fans, but it does happen still.

 

[GoshenGipper]

I don't think people feel that toward Filer as much as they do Sweat. With both Beal and Sweat it has more to do with them being so inconsistent in their interviews than anything else.

 

[Axl Rose]

I don't feel that way towards Filer or Sweat. I think Filer is just taking his time making sure he makes the right decision, and Sweat has just been honest with his lean towards O$U the whole time. Beal on the other hand seems disingenuous to me the whole time, like one of those kids who knows where hes going to commit to but doesn't cause he wants to keep getting attention and offers.

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

I hear you all, I was just all confused by the talk of these players falling out of good graces with us. I couldn't even begin to imagine all the things that are being thrown in these young men's faces to try and make them choose a school. I'm sure it is a hard decision, but I feel no matter which way these kids choose, ND is going to be in good hands for some time to come.

 

[Irishknight1023]

I get pissed, but for the right reasons. For example Trattou, I understood his decision to leave. He commited to us in June and was purely solid to us from then on. at the AAA game he was talking to guys trying to get them to come to ND. Then Corwin Brown came in and switched our defense to something that we all know wouldn't suit his skills. It was a big loss and I was pissed, but if you thought about it you'd understand he picked us OVER florida in the first place and took his visit to Florida a few days after the hiring of CB. Yet people think he's lying, they just want an excuse to hate on him, but not me. *Do not bash a recruit like that on this site!*

^^^see very uncalled for, but I said it to prove my point. I think Newman will commit to us during his upcoming visit, but if not i won't hate on the kid because he's a genuinly nice kid who is confused. Theres a difference and there will always be the people who overreact on the wrong kids.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Only 3 other schools (when I last looked) had more commits than we did. LSU had half as many. Most of our rivals had 1, 2, or 3 commits. The process is very early. Let's remember that.

BTW- While I follow recruiting a little bit, this is why I don't get too invested in it. Too many highs and lows for little reason.

 

[rockne19]

charlie is making us greedy in a good way.We want it all now!GO IRISH!!!!

 

[Jason Pham]

Only 3 other schools (when I last looked) had more commits than we did. LSU had half as many. Most of our rivals had 1, 2, or 3 commits. The process is very early. Let's remember that.

BTW- While I follow recruiting a little bit, this is why I don't get too invested in it. Too many highs and lows for little reason.

I agree. Nobody should get emotionally distraught over recruiting. When you take a step back and look at what you're saying and how you're acting, you realize that your basing your moods and hinging your highs and lows off of the decisions of 17 year old kids who are trying to make one of the biggest decisions of their lives and are naturally going to be mercurial.

It's nice to follow the scene, know the number, know the statistics, but let's face it, it's a little bit much to invest emotionally into something so trivial to most of our lives.

 

[Jason Pham]

I get pissed, but for the right reasons. For example Trattou, I understood his decision to leave. He commited to us in June and was purely solid to us from then on. at the AAA game he was talking to guys trying to get them to come to ND. Then Corwin Brown came in and switched our defense to something that we all know wouldn't suit his skills. It was a big loss and I was pissed, but if you thought about it you'd understand he picked us OVER florida in the first place and took his visit to Florida a few days after the hiring of CB. Yet people think he's lying, they just want an excuse to hate on him, but not me. People like Beal who say "You're the one i've been waiting for" and spits garbage about academics out and then says Florida and USC it's basically down to pretty much disgust me. "He could work on Wall Street because he'd fit right in. He's a little worm."

^^^see very uncalled for, but I said it to prove my point. I think Newman will commit to us during his upcoming visit, but if not i won't hate on the kid because he's a genuinly nice kid who is confused. Theres a difference and there will always be the people who overreact on the wrong kids.

How do you decide who is genuine and who is not? I've had to privilege of talking to and follow a few recruits through their entire decision making process and it is a rare case when a recruit is sincerely disingenuous. Take Andrew Sweat, for example, he visited Notre Dame, was taken in by the tradition and the atmosphere of Our Lady of the Lake and named Notre Dame the clear leader deciding that tradition, academics, and the program are most important to him. Andrew then visits Ohio State, and was taken in by the glitz and glam and the hype that surrounds the program and named the Buckeyes as his leader deciding that the city, the people, and that kind of program are most important to him. A visit to another school, another school gets named his leader and his list of most important aspects are altered and so on so forth. Is he being dishonest? I think it's the exact opposite with these recruits. They are being too honest when they are interviewed and will say exactly how they feel at any given moment. And then there's people who will hinge their entire day's emotional outcome on the words of a 17 year old being sold a school and a program by arguably the best salesmen in the nation nearly every waking moment of his life. So for kids like Beal or Sweat who seem so volatile and indecisive, you have to realize that what they say yesterday may absolutely hold true for yesterday, but considering their circumstances, is subject to change at the helms of something as influential as an on campus visit during a rivalry game or as something trivial as a text message. And there is absolutely no reason to get pissed off at a 17 year old in the mess and chaos of texts, phone calls, visits, and pressure, trying to make the right decision for himself.

 

[johnnd05]

Great posts, Captain Phamtastic!

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I think alot of kids need to have good people around them so that they know what to say and how to act. Words have meaning, and hopefully, the kids don't say too much that will follow them throughtout their career.

 

[GoshenGipper]

Sweat has just been honest with his lean towards O$U the whole time

You may want to do a little more research there. Sweat has been one of the most inconsistant recruits in this current class. At least he hasn't commited and then decommited already like a few of them out there.

 

[Axl Rose]

You may want to do a little more research there. Sweat has been one of the most inconsistant recruits in this current class. At least he hasn't commited and then decommited already like a few of them out there.

I remember him having us and O$U tied before his visits, but after his visits he made no bones about favoring O$U.

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

I agree. Nobody should get emotionally distraught over recruiting. When you take a step back and look at what you're saying and how you're acting, you realize that your basing your moods and hinging your highs and lows off of the decisions of 17 year old kids who are trying to make one of the biggest decisions of their lives and are naturally going to be mercurial.

It's nice to follow the scene, know the number, know the statistics, but let's face it, it's a little bit much to invest emotionally into something so trivial to most of our lives.

Good point, this isn't like the NFL draft and your team drafted Kevin Kolb with their first pick.

 

[GoshenGipper]

I remember him having us and O$U tied before his visits, but after his visits he made no bones about favoring O$U.

Well, I've seen ND as his favorite, as well as Penn State, Florida, and Ohio State. He's already pushed back his announcement date, trashed ND in one article after his trips to UF, and O$U, and he narrowed his list down to three schools only to almost immeadiately reopen it back up to 6.

 

[Irishknight1023]

Goshens a smart man, i'd rather not even follow his recruitment I don't think he'll be coming here anyway. We have many other LB's that we have good chances with for 1 spot, maybe 2.

 

[Jason Pham]

We have a better shot with Andrew Sweat than a lot of you care to think. So instead of trashing on recruits who, in all our great knowledge and wisdom, we have abandoned from our game plan, maybe we should be less vocal about how much we despise certain kids because they aren't worshiping Weis and Co. at the first given opportunity. Remember, these kids and their parents actually read these boards and I have gotten complaints. It already hurts our program to have these kids in limbo in the first place, it doesn't help when they read that 'they weren't great anyways' from people who might be rooting for them in a year.

 

[rockne19]

very good point.recruits and their parents do read these boards.we should watch what we say.

 

[GoshenGipper]

We have a better shot with Andrew Sweat than a lot of you care to think. So instead of trashing on recruits who, in all our great knowledge and wisdom, we have abandoned from our game plan, maybe we should be less vocal about how much we despise certain kids because they aren't worshiping Weis and Co. at the first given opportunity. Remember, these kids and their parents actually read these boards and I have gotten complaints. It already hurts our program to have these kids in limbo in the first place, it doesn't help when they read that 'they weren't great anyways' from people who might be rooting for them in a year.

Another thing to remember guys is that most of these recruits are still in that stupid stage of male life. The tricks that your mind can play on you will have doing all kinds of stupid things, changing you're mind 2 or 3 times a week, and some of the things that come out of your mouth will one day cause you too look back and say "Man, I was a moron!" They might not like to hear that, but it's true reguardless and I'm sure they'll agree with me in about 10 years or so. Now even though I'm in my mid 20's and I'm mostly past that stage, on some level I'll always be there just because I'm a man, but most of these guys haven't gained the maturity yet that is needed in life to actually think and stop their actions or words before they speak. Now all that being said I hope ND can land every one of their targets they can get. I just hope the recruits will have the wisdom not to come out and bash a school, weather that would be ND or not, just because they are fed a little negative recruiting by some scumbag recruiters.

 

[Jason Pham]

Another thing to remember guys is that most of these recruits are still in that stupid stage of male life. The tricks that your mind can play on you will have doing all kinds of stupid things, changing you're mind 2 or 3 times a week, and some of the things that come out of your mouth will one day cause you too look back and say "Man, I was a moron!" They might not like to hear that, but it's true reguardless and I'm sure they'll agree with me in about 10 years or so. Now even though I'm in my mid 20's and I'm mostly past that stage, on some level I'll always be there just because I'm a man, but most of these guys haven't gained the maturity yet that is needed in life to actually think and stop their actions or words before they speak. Now all that being said I hope ND can land every one of their targets they can get. I just hope the recruits will have the wisdom not to come out and bash a school, weather that would be ND or not, just because they are fed a little negative recruiting by some scumbag recruiters.

Hits the nail on the head. If I ran into my 17 year old self, I'd straight beat his ass. And I'm only 20 now. Reps.