More hypocrisy

[IRISHDODGER]

I heard some interesting facts today about our neighbors to the south, Mexico. If an American immigrates to Mexico they are not allowed to vote or receive retirement benefits (whatever their SS is called) even though they still must pay into their system. Also, they are REQUIRED to learn spanish as no other language is recognized when it comes to opening up a business, etc.

But if a Mexican illegally crosses the border & is detained in the U.S., the Mexican gov't won't hesitate to insist that the US treat them as they would any American. i listened to the story of a US border patrolman who spent 2 years in a federal pen for allegedly assaulting an ILLEGAL alien. This alien was told by the border guard to stop & sit down. If a cop told us to do the same, we damn well better oblige. This alien didn't, so the guard used his foot to push him down (I said "push" not "kick"). The guard was of Puerto Rican descent so he was able to communicate w/ the alien in spanish (so no lack of communication). The guard couldn't use his hands to force the alien down b/c he was armed & would risk having his gun taken away. The guard couldn't be sure that this alien was w/ another he had apprehended who happened to be a major drug smuggler. The drug smuggler was put in our prison system for his crimes, but was subpoened by the alien to provide a witness account of the guard's alleged abuse (of course the jury was not aprised of this info). The guard was left to get his own legal representation as the US government was the one prosecuting him (w/ the help of the Mexican consulate). See the alien read a sign at the border patrol station when he was being booked. It was written in spanish & suggested that if anyone though they were mistreated in any way to report it to the gov't. Well, he reported it to his gov't & they came running up to the US demanding justice for this ILLEGAL alien. They won & this American man who served our country for over 15 years in the Coast Guard & the U.S. border patrol spent 2 years of his life in a federal penitentiary for doing his job. Now I can understand why the border guards can't be as effective as they'd like to be. As they cynically refer to their calling, "To protect & to serve...time in prison"

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

The agent suffered death threats and had to be moved 5 times to protect his life. All because scum went after him, and the attorney brought up things that were not relevent to the case, but was prejucidial to the jury.

Effen unbelievable!

We can't fight wars, protect our border, put people in jail, have freedom of speech on the radio, smoke in front of a building. Who let the 60's people take over our country?

 

[Irishknight1023]

Tree hugging hippies

 

[ShivaIrish]

The agent suffered death threats and had to be moved 5 times to protect his life. All because scum went after him, and the attorney brought up things that were not relevent to the case, but was prejucidial to the jury.

Effen unbelievable!

We can't fight wars, protect our border, put people in jail, have freedom of speech on the radio, smoke in front of a building. Who let the 60's people take over our country?

the smoking law is a good idea, I think, as much as it may be a nuisance for some. As a former smoker, you just have to just bite the bullet. Nonsmokers shouldn't have to be subjected to second-hand.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I liken it to the war. If it is so bad, ban it. Oh yeah, they want tax revenues.

If the war is lost or bad, end the funding now. Oh yeah, they don't want to take any more responsibility.

When are people who criticize gonna take a stand that matters?

 

[ShivaIrish]

I liken it to the war. If it is so bad, ban it. Oh yeah, they want tax revenues.

People should be allowed to smoke, just as long as it doesn't harm other people. Public places should be free of teh smoke; it might be a different matter in private places like restaurants and bars.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

People should be allowed to smoke, just as long as it doesn't harm other people. Public places should be free of teh smoke; it might be a different matter in private places like restaurants and bars.

I agree. Private businesses that cater to a select crowd should have some wiggle room.

Although, the market place normally sorts that out. Look at Applebees with no smoking at all. Govt involvement normally has an adverse effect on what it is trying to control.

 

[tgolden]

that's why this is the United States of America and that is Mexico. If Mexico were just like the US, I doubt nearly the number of people would want to leave it. It isn't the Mexican govt that is coming to the US, it is Mexican citizens who apparently don't think life in Mexico is working out too well.

I'm not saying that I advocate illegal immigration or anything, I'm not going to comment on that one way or the other. All I'm saying is your argument is a little flawed there.

 

[ACamp1900]

the CC case has been big news out here in Cali.... it's a freaking joke... the Government cares more about pleasing the Mexican Consulate than the American public

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I feel sorry for the mexican immigrants, but they are gonna bankrupt california and our systems. We need a guess worker program, but too many, including violent ones, are staying.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

that's why this is the United States of America and that is Mexico. If Mexico were just like the US, I doubt nearly the number of people would want to leave it. It isn't the Mexican govt that is coming to the US, it is Mexican citizens who apparently don't think life in Mexico is working out too well.

I'm not saying that I advocate illegal immigration or anything, I'm not going to comment on that one way or the other. All I'm saying is your argument is a little flawed there.

Then why do they protect their own southern border more forcefully than the U.S. could ever get away with? Oh yeah, every country but America is allowed to have it both ways.

I do agree that Mexican citizens have some distorted view that America's streets are covered w/ gold & everyone is wealthy w/o having to lift a finger. Guess what? Life ain't fair, get your ass back to Mexico or go through all the red tape (& if you're not willing to swim thru the morass of bureaucacy then you really aren't committed to becoming a citizen of the greatest country in the world) involved in becoming a citizen...incl. learning to speak the official language of the USA, which I hope is still English...or is it too offensive to say that?

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Dodger.. It's kind of like Kyoto or Gitmo. Only the US would be held to account for rules, not anyone else.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Dodger.. It's kind of like Kyoto or Gitmo. Only the US would be held to account for rules, not anyone else.

Exactly. Can you imagine if they actually closed down Gitmo & shipped those POWs to the US where w/in a matter of days some ACLU lawyer will be demanding that they receive the same treatment as our inmates hear in the states?

And regarding Kyoto, I was listening to Glenn Beck tell a story about how bogus it is. He told of a journalist friend of his who was an avowed liberal but was committed to being fair & balanced in her reporting. When she looked at the Kyoto agreement, she responded that while she believes that global warming is a real threat to our environment, she also is convinced that Kyoto is a crock of shit.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I heard today that Tenet said we got more info from aggressive interrogation at Gitmo than all other means combined. Which of course means Hillary said recently it should be closed!!

and you wonder why people don't believe they can protect us.

 

[tgolden]

Then why do they protect their own southern border more forcefully than the U.S. could ever get away with? Oh yeah, every country but America is allowed to have it both ways.

The people guarding mexico's southern boarders are not the same people who are sneaking across our southern boarders. so again, i am not advocating illegal alienism (if that's a word), I'm just saying that this example doesn't work.

also, I think before we jump all over them, we should realize that we were lucky enough to be born in the richest, greatest nation on earth while many, many others are not. so we didn't have to go through the ridiculous process that is legal immigration today. and just fyi, my dad is a legal immigrant (not from mexico, but that's irrelevant).

and if you are in fact a legal immigrant, than I apologize for my assumptions.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I'm all for streamlining legal immigration. I think it's bs that those who want to come here legally go thru effen hoops, while the illegals come and go as they please. I just want to have a little control over who enters our country, and how many. Not to mention keeping the bad guys out.

 

[leprechaun4life]

This may have been mentioned, but in Mexico, when their Border Patrol captures illegal immigrants, the illegals are often beaten and robbed, while the women are usually raped, then they are put into jail. Yet, citizens here are taken to court just for protecting their own private property; such as in Arizona, and with a border patrol officer that was only doing his job (two separate instances).

 

[IRISHDODGER]

The people guarding mexico's southern boarders are not the same people who are sneaking across our southern boarders. so again, i am not advocating illegal alienism (if that's a word), I'm just saying that this example doesn't work.

also, I think before we jump all over them, we should realize that we were lucky enough to be born in the richest, greatest nation on earth while many, many others are not. so we didn't have to go through the ridiculous process that is legal immigration today. and just fyi, my dad is a legal immigrant (not from mexico, but that's irrelevant).

and if you are in fact a legal immigrant, than I apologize for my assumptions.

That's not my point; I didn't say that the guys protecting Mexico's southern border were the ones sneaking into the U.S. That just doesn't make sense. My point is that the country of Mexico expects us to be lenient w/ letting their people illegally enter our country but they lock down their own southern border to prevent the same thing. That's hypocrisy. BTW, we all hail from immigrants one way or the other. It's about the law being broken period.

 

[tgolden]

you are absolutely right about all of us (except native americans) hailing from immigrants. too many americans have forgotten that. so i apologize, i misinterpreted the point you were trying to make.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

you are absolutely right about all of us (except native americans) hailing from immigrants. too many americans have forgotten that. so i apologize, i misinterpreted the point you were trying to make.

No worries.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

I am the son of legal immmigrants and there is a HUGE difference between the immigrants from Europe pre WWII and the illegal immigrants coming from South America now.

Previous immigrants came to this country wanting to BE Americans. They left their homelands to come to the US and embrace being an American. My mother was from Italy, but she will tell you she is American before anything else.

Today, I see immigrants (both legal and illegal) marching in immigration rallies carrying the flags of their home country. What sense does that make? Essentially the message is: We don't want to be Americans, we just want your jobs and your money.

And I'd be happy if I never had to see another "I'm not a criminal. I've here to work" sign. If you are working in this country illegally, you ARE a criminal. That's how it works here. Welcome to America.

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free" used to be our welcome to immigrants. They are now screaming at us after they've come to this country illegally, "Give us you citizenship, your government assistance, your education, your jobs without having to do all the things legal immigrants do."

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I like the way you think. Did you see the NBC camera guy with a mexican flag. Nice.
Too bad we can't ship all these dudes to France or Italy, those lazy mofos could use some hardworking cheap labor.
Tis no surprise why their economy ain't so good. Too much government F's things up.

 

[ShivaIrish]

I like the way you think. Did you see the NBC camera guy with a mexican flag. Nice.
Too bad we can't ship all these dudes to France or Italy, those lazy mofos could use some hardworking cheap labor.
Tis no surprise why their economy ain't so good. Too much government F's things up.

Yeah, because France isn't concerned about their own immigration situation...

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

France doesn't even try to assimilate muslims into society. In fact, they have treated them like second class citizens. In the US, most are trying to encourage immigrants to learn english, pay taxes, and become legal.
Mexicans coming here, waving their flag, not learning the language, does so much harm to them. It's like..we can come here, not obey the law, not learn the language, and do what we want. It's all about assimilation and respecting the host country...and vice versa.