2016 Presidential Horse Race

[loomis41973]

I sincerely hope you are kidding.

He is an embarrassment to the party, the country, and the process. He has advocated torture, war crimes, islamophonia, and has pulled off an elaborate con job.

He lies about everything (even on a politician scale) and has details on nothing. He babbles with the same basic points and has sadly fired up the stupid.

Imagine Cleveland this August with Jerry Springer as our nominee and the protests. Our country has been going down the shitter for awhile and now we are about to be punished in the form of Clinton vs Trump.

Yet, somehow he leads in most of the polls and will likely be the nominee. Must be getting through with us low info voters, and there must be TONS of us...lol



EVERY candidate spews the same babble speech after speech.....nothing new there.

 

[loomis41973]

When people advocate torture and war crimes, they don't understand that these things have consequences. Suggesting we drop to the level of ISIS with the worlds finest military wreckless. Yes, we do operate at a higher standard than the animals in Syria.

Like i said depends on your version of torture...not suggesting we lower ourselves to the animals that are isis, but the rules need to be revisited. Waterboarding is childs play as are many other things deemed "illegal" for the US Military. Sad state that we have become so weak.

 

[NDgradstudent]

It appears that Baltimore has come to Chicago. One Trump supporter decided to refer to himself as "Rusty Shackleford" when talking to a reporter in order to avoid attacks.

The press blames Trump for 'inciting violence.' The expression of opinion justifies violence (provided that the violence is wrought by Democratic voters). Once again, it's never their fault, always somebody else's fault...

 

[loomis41973]

It appears that Baltimore has come to Chicago. One Trump supporter decided to refer to himself as "Rusty Shackleford" when talking to a reporter in order to avoid attacks.

The press blames Trump for 'inciting violence.' The expression of opinion justifies violence (provided that the violence is wrought by Democratic voters). Once again, it's never their fault, always somebody else's fault...

You make way too much sense.

 

[pkt77242]

Yet, somehow he leads in most of the polls and will likely be the nominee. Must be getting through with us low info voters, and there must be TONS of us...lol



EVERY candidate spews the same babble speech after speech.....nothing new there.

In other news, we finally found a Trump supporter.

 

[pkt77242]

Like i said depends on your version of torture...not suggesting we lower ourselves to the animals that are isis, but the rules need to be revisited. Waterboarding is childs play as are many other things deemed "illegal" for the US Military. Sad state that we have become so weak.

It is called the Geneva Conventions. Why would we change it? Besides the fact that it is morally wrong (torture), it doesn't provide good intel, so what is the point of doing it?


Also I really hope that you aren't a Christian.

 

[loomis41973]

In other news, we finally found a Trump supporter.

Not my 1st choice for a Republican but better than any Democrat they've thrown out there.

 

[loomis41973]

It is called the Geneva Conventions. Why would we change it? Besides the fact that it is morally wrong (torture), it doesn't provide good intel, so what is the point of doing it?


Also I really hope that you aren't a Christian.

maybe..Episcopalian

if you are into those sort of "titles"

 

[drayer54]

Like i said depends on your version of torture...not suggesting we lower ourselves to the animals that are isis, but the rules need to be revisited. Waterboarding is childs play as are many other things deemed "illegal" for the US Military. Sad state that we have become so weak.

Advocating torture and barbaric tactics to somehow level the playing field is the epitome of weak. As a veteran, I know I wouldn't be the only one embarrassed to see a commander in chief act like Trump.

His babble is different because he has nothing with substance. His answer is always jobs are going to China, I'll make the best deal, I'm the best and will do the best because nobody has been as excellent and wonderful as me, and Muslims/Mexicans are the enemy. The other 3 make him look like a buffoon. Facts don't exist with him and nobody cares.

The polls and votes are the most alarming. This is why I say he has pulled a great con job. It also speaks to the rhetoric level and complete mistrust of the media. Nobody believes it when people are outraged anymore. I also think it speaks to the level of the voters......

People voted for Gore because he kissed a woman named Tipper. Bush got votes because people were afraid when the terror light went orange every time Kerry got momentum. People voted for and against Obama because of his looks. And now people are voting for Trump because he is confident never wrong. He just smirks and says he is the best. People also fall into the businessman fallacy. But the voters are dead wrong.

 

[loomis41973]

Advocating torture and barbaric tactics to somehow level the playing field is the epitome of weak. As a veteran, I know I wouldn't be the only one embarrassed to see a commander in chief act like Trump.

His babble is different because he has nothing with substance. His answer is always jobs are going to China, I'll make the best deal, I'm the best and will do the best because nobody has been as excellent and wonderful as me, and Muslims/Mexicans are the enemy. The other 3 make him look like a buffoon. Facts don't exist with him and nobody cares.

The polls and votes are the most alarming. This is why I say he has pulled a great con job. It also speaks to the rhetoric level and complete mistrust of the media. Nobody believes it when people are outraged anymore. I also think it speaks to the level of the voters......

People voted for Gore because he kissed a woman named Tipper. Bush got votes because people were afraid when the terror light went orange every time Kerry got momentum. People voted for and against Obama because of his looks. And now people are voting for Trump because he is confident never wrong. He just smirks and says he is the best. People also fall into the businessman fallacy. But the voters are dead wrong.

Hell of a con job then......Should be able to buy China/Japan/Mexixo at a yuggge profit.

Will be light years better than who we currently have then.

 

[loomis41973]

Advocating torture and barbaric tactics to somehow level the playing field is the epitome of weak. As a veteran, I know I wouldn't be the only one embarrassed to see a commander in chief act like Trump.

His babble is different because he has nothing with substance. His answer is always jobs are going to China, I'll make the best deal, I'm the best and will do the best because nobody has been as excellent and wonderful as me, and Muslims/Mexicans are the enemy. The other 3 make him look like a buffoon. Facts don't exist with him and nobody cares.

The polls and votes are the most alarming. This is why I say he has pulled a great con job. It also speaks to the rhetoric level and complete mistrust of the media. Nobody believes it when people are outraged anymore. I also think it speaks to the level of the voters......

People voted for Gore because he kissed a woman named Tipper. Bush got votes because people were afraid when the terror light went orange every time Kerry got momentum. People voted for and against Obama because of his looks. And now people are voting for Trump because he is confident never wrong. He just smirks and says he is the best. People also fall into the businessman fallacy. But the voters are dead wrong.

Really???????? What look is that?

 

[pkt77242]

maybe..Episcopalian

if you are into those sort of "titles"

Not into the title, just wondering how you mix those two believes, that which you have said in this thread in regards to torture and your believes as a Christian.

 

[loomis41973]

Not into the title, just wondering how you mix those two believes, that which you have said in this thread in regards to torture and your believes as a Christina.

N

I'm a realist. If someone is threatening you or your family what are your rules? Are there any? The 10 Commandments? I bet not.

 

[pkt77242]

N

I'm a realist. If someone is threatening you or your family what are your rules? Are there any? The 10 Commandments? I bet not.

2 things

1. If they are a prisoner they are no longer threatening us.
2. Waterboarding (and torture) generally don't give good intel, so why would you do it? To exact revenge? As a dick measuring contest? What is gained from it?

 

[IrishLax]

2 things

1. If they are a prisoner they are no longer threatening us.
2. Waterboarding (and torture) generally don't give good intel, so why would you do it? To exact revenge? As a dick measuring contest? What is gained from it?

Counterpoint: Ramsay Bolton is now lord of Winterfell so obviously torture works.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Somebody should explain to the students at UIC that this is how grown-up university students behave:

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What else can be said of Liberty University? Oh, yeah:

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[loomis41973]

2 things

1. If they are a prisoner they are no longer threatening us.
2. Waterboarding (and torture) generally don't give good intel, so why would you do it? To exact revenge? As a dick measuring contest? What is gained from it?

Seems i've heard time and time again how criminals/terrorists/druglords run all of their operations out of a prison??

As far as the intel...thats what you've been told...ANY intel is better than none....and with us being handcuffed makes it even worse.


Don't flip the script.....i dont want us cutting off heads or killing poeple but waterboarding is pretty tame along with other things we don't do anymore.

 

[GATTACA!]

Advocating torture and barbaric tactics to somehow level the playing field is the epitome of weak. As a veteran, I know I wouldn't be the only one embarrassed to see a commander in chief act like Trump.

His babble is different because he has nothing with substance. His answer is always jobs are going to China, I'll make the best deal, I'm the best and will do the best because nobody has been as excellent and wonderful as me, and Muslims/Mexicans are the enemy. The other 3 make him look like a buffoon. Facts don't exist with him and nobody cares.

The polls and votes are the most alarming. This is why I say he has pulled a great con job. It also speaks to the rhetoric level and complete mistrust of the media. Nobody believes it when people are outraged anymore. I also think it speaks to the level of the voters......

People voted for Gore because he kissed a woman named Tipper. Bush got votes because people were afraid when the terror light went orange every time Kerry got momentum. People voted for and against Obama because of his looks. And now people are voting for Trump because he is confident never wrong. He just smirks and says he is the best. People also fall into the businessman fallacy. But the voters are dead wrong.

People are voting for Trump because they are sick of the establishment politics. They are voting for Trump because honestly all of their other options are pathetic. Ted Cruz is a creepy Bible thumper whose father believes in abolishing the separation of church and state. Hillary Clinton is a fellon and a liar. Bernie is a socialist that wants to bankrupt the country with welfare handouts. Ben Carson doesn't believe in evolution. Carly Fiorina was one of the worst CEOs in recent memory. No one wants a third Bush. Marco Rubio comes off robotic and calculating. Kasich is weak.

I'm not saying these are all 100% accurate, but that's how Trump supporters view their other options. In a world where the media constantly pits dems and republicans against one another like it's our country's 5th major sport it's easy to understand why people would get behind someone who's as outlandish as Trump. Ideas don't matter, compromise doesn't matter, what's best for the country doesn't matter. All they care about is winning.

And Trump is going to win yuuuuge. We're gonna get sick of winning were gonna do it so much.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Well, killing the families of terrorists and torture. You know, war crimes.

Drone strikes in the Obama years have killed terrorists and their families. Does that keep you awake at night, or only if a Republican president does it?

Friendly reminder: I do NOT want Trump as the nominee and don't trust him, but the First Amendment is more important than anyone's feelings or "safe space."

 

[Buster Bluth]

Drone strikes in the Obama years have killed terrorists and their families. Does that keep you awake at night, or only if a Republican president does it?

Not even remotely close to the same thing.

The drone program, with all of its faults being a separate point, is a precise weapon. They'll watch a target for days and track their habits. They'll hover miles above them for hours picking their moment. They'll minimize or eliminate collateral damage by waiting until the target is 200 meters away from civilians. When innocent people die it's almost always bad intelligence and is always viewed as a mistake.

Donald Trump suggested we kill whole families as a punishment, because while a young impressionable radical may not care about his or her life, they may care about their family. It's a disgusting suggestion and right out of a fascist/authoritarian playbook. Something like in North Korea where they'll send whole families to the torture camps for the actions of one.

What Trump said is indefensible and to frame it the way you have is totally bizarre.

 

[Cackalacky]

Ronnie C. Rouse: What I Know About America After Getting Thrown Out Of A Trump Rally http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ronnie-c-rouse/what-i-know-about-america-trump-rally_b_9437998.html
This article and video is from a man walking in front of the man assaulted at the Trump rally. It is a different view from the other video as it was captured from his perspective on a selfie stick. He was calm and collected and did what he was told. Near the middle you can hear 1-2 men shouting "Go Home Ni**ers!" Repeatedly.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Not even remotely close to the same thing.

The drone program, with all of its faults being a separate point, is a precise weapon. They'll watch a target for days and track their habits. They'll hover miles above them for hours picking their moment. They'll minimize or eliminate collateral damage by waiting until the target is 200 meters away from civilians. When innocent people die it's almost always bad intelligence and is always viewed as a mistake.

Donald Trump suggested we kill whole families as a punishment, because while a young impressionable radical may not care about his or her life, they may care about their family. It's a disgusting suggestion and right out of a fascist/authoritarian playbook. Something like in North Korea where they'll send whole families to the torture camps for the actions of one.

What Trump said is indefensible and to frame it the way you have is totally bizarre.

Not even remotely close? Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. We're also making a ton of assumptions here and we know we have to take everything Trump says with a grain of salt.

I don't want him to win and I don't trust him, but the idea that Obama has been an altar boy with terrorists and their families then putting Trump in the same category as King Jong Un is ridiculous.

 

[kmoose]

2. Waterboarding (and torture) generally don't give good intel, so why would you do it? To exact revenge? As a dick measuring contest? What is gained from it?

What is gained from it? The location of Osama Bin Laden, for one. It was intel gained from interrogations at Gitmo that led to the courier that led to bin Laden's physical location, which led to his eventual lead poisoning............. and damn near the entire world cheered.

There's no guarantees, but let's quit acting like nothing has ever come from our interrogation techniques.

 

[Cackalacky]

Not even remotely close to the same thing.

The drone program, with all of its faults being a separate point, is a precise weapon. They'll watch a target for days and track their habits. They'll hover miles above them for hours picking their moment. They'll minimize or eliminate collateral damage by waiting until the target is 200 meters away from civilians. When innocent people die it's almost always bad intelligence and is always viewed as a mistake.

Donald Trump suggested we kill whole families as a punishment, because while a young impressionable radical may not care about his or her life, they may care about their family. It's a disgusting suggestion and right out of a fascist/authoritarian playbook. Something like in North Korea where they'll send whole families to the torture camps for the actions of one.

What Trump said is indefensible and to frame it the way you have is totally bizarre.

This the way I see it too. While I have been openly critical of the Obama Drone strikes I have never believed he sas ordering strikes to kill whole families on purpose.

Trump on the other hand flat out said he would kill whole families as a reasonable course of action in dealing with terrorists. The mental gymnastics people put themselves through defending Trump is truly impressive.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

This the way I see it too. While I have been openly critical of the Obama Drone strikes I have never believed he sas ordering strikes to kill whole families on purpose.

Trump on the other hand flat out said he would kill whole families as a reasonable course of action in dealing with terrorists. The mental gymnastics people put themselves through defending Trump is truly impressive.

So you believe (based on what, I don't know) that no drone strikes were issued by the Obama admin to kill whole families, but you know that Trump will kill whole families as revenge? Again sounds like we're all assuming a lot here.

My original post was in response to Irishjayhawk claiming Trump was going to commit war crimes, and I pointed out the drone strikes to ask if he would accuse Obama of the same.

 

[Irishcop]

Counterpoint: Ramsay Bolton is now lord of Winterfell so obviously torture works.

Hahahahaha.

 

[Cackalacky]

So you believe (based on what, I don't know) that no drone strikes were issued by the Obama admin to kill whole families, but you know that Trump will kill whole families as revenge? Again sounds like we're all assuming a lot here.

My original post was in response to Irishjayhawk claiming Trump was going to commit war crimes, and I pointed out the drone strikes to ask if he would accuse Obama of the same.

I think Buster did a good job providing light on the difference between a President having to make hard decisions as opposed to a candidate tying to rile up its base. Are you really arguing that because we don't know that Obama has explicitly said to kill everyone that it equates to something we do know which is that Ttump did in fact say and mean that? Lol

IDK why you are defending his statements. The military would disobey an order such as what Trump said he would do. Obviously drone strikes and collateral damage are viewed differently that the wholesale targeting of suspected terrorists and their families. But in today's right wing guilty by association is just another way to say collateral damage.

 

[Cackalacky]

St. Louis

St. Louis

St. Louis

Video of the man above being escorted away for treatment but restrained
https://twitter.com/trymainelee/status/708376713806221313

 

[Buster Bluth]

So you believe (based on what, I don't know) that no drone strikes were issued by the Obama admin to kill whole families, but you know that Trump will kill whole families as revenge? Again sounds like we're all assuming a lot here.

Well right here it sounds like you're asking us to prove a negative. If you have proof Obama is ordering the drones to kill whole families as a target, show it. The data dumps done by groups like wikileaks show none of that.

Just watch Trump's clip in which he clearly states he thinks the US should "take out their families." It is not okay, it hints at what an amateur he would be as Commander in Chief. He frames the whole point as our military being too PC, and that we need to "take the gloves off." If that's not proclaiming to the world "we need to be more brutal so they fear us," I don't know what is. Someone who makes these sorts of claims is simply unfit to be in charge of the country.

Unfortunately, he'll be up against a neocon hawk in the general, there won't be any good candidates, foreign policy speaking, this election.

 

[Cackalacky]

It appears that Baltimore has come to Chicago. One Trump supporter decided to refer to himself as "Rusty Shackleford" when talking to a reporter in order to avoid attacks.

The press blames Trump for 'inciting violence.' The expression of opinion justifies violence (provided that the violence is wrought by Democratic voters). Once again, it's never their fault, always somebody else's fault...

This is laughable framing. You do realize Trump is the person saying that protestors should be attacked, taken care of, beat up, and otherwise dealt with so his rally's can be held undisturbed right? I can pull together a bunch of quotes if you need them. So if I try to understand you the protected free speech of protestors is limited and violence against protestors IS ok? Yes. Maybe you did not see the scenes in St Louis last night? He is begging his supports to beat up protestors. Beating up protestors is ok as long as it is white people attacking minorities at the behest of Fuhrer Trump.

Free speech is of utmost importance, except if you are a protestor who is legally allowed to assemble at the rally. Lol. "I am free to have speech. You are free to have it, just not here. I will beat the shit out of you for exercising your right to free speech and assembly." " Can you believe these people showed up and made me kick their ass at behest of the Fuhrer?"