Coach Weis on Rivals Radio

[KingAdrock99]

You know what, I just don't get it. Maybe I'm just not as smart as WBA, but I did listen to CW's entire interview on Rivals radio, and not once did I hear him whine. Where do you get this from? Did anybody else besides WBA hear CW whining about the Little's.? If you did please enlighten me.

CW always handles himself really well and is a real stand up guy. It attracts the right type of guys around you with the same ideals. If you give someone your commitment, then bail on them at the last minute, then you really didn't want them around to begin with. Those are the same type of guys that bail on you when you need them on the field or in life.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Weis did come off a little whiney when it came to people recruiting kids after committs...

Which I'm fine with, but you can't have it both ways, if you think thats wrong...stand by it and don't do it yourself

 

[weisbankaccount]

You know what, I just don't get it. Maybe I'm just not as smart as WBA, but I did listen to CW's entire interview on Rivals radio, and not once did I hear him whine. Where do you get this from? Did anybody else besides WBA hear CW whining about the Little's.? If you did please enlighten me.

he wanted ethics policies and an earlier signing days? Wonder why this came up? Is it a matter of being smart or just a matter of reading into it about 1/8 inch under the surface?

ND lost some guys to other schools, other schools lost guys to ND - 1 of which was VERBALLY COMMITED to Iowa. This means ND went after committed recruits and other schools went after NDs committed recruits which to me equals the same thing.

Weis did this same thing when a poll came out last season. The team eating cheeseburgers turned out to be Florida................

Verbal means verbal. Letter signed is a letter signed.

Personally I think the whole recruiting game is pure bullshit and some of the usual suspect villains are out telling kids bullshit by the pound but thats how it goes. Im sure Weis is frustrated because he knows about the crooked programs going around pulling stunts. In this case though, ND did it to Iowa just the same so I wont be a hypocrite and rip the others and not mention ND

 

[KingAdrock99]

ND did it with a guy who wanted to go to ND basically his whole life. His father went there, he was just waiting for an offer, didn't get one and committed to Iowa. Then CB gets there, decides he wants him and makes him an offer. It was a lot different than this other stuff. Greg Little had every chance to commit to UNC and just about did, then he decided that ND was the place for him over UNC, then balked at the last minute for some unknown reason and decommitted. UNC offered him ages ago and he turned them down, then changed his mind. And Chris Little just flipflopped from school to school so that wasn't that surprising.

 

[rockne19]

i hope from this point on weis becomes cut throat,nasty, on the recruiting trail

 

[irishunclebill]

OK other than WBA & FI9 who have made clear their disdain for CW, did anyone else who is unbiased hear him whine on Rivals radio.

 

[weisbankaccount]

ND did it with a guy who wanted to go to ND basically his whole life. His father went there, he was just waiting for an offer, didn't get one and committed to Iowa. Then CB gets there, decides he wants him and makes him an offer. It was a lot different than this other stuff. Greg Little had every chance to commit to UNC and just about did, then he decided that ND was the place for him over UNC, then balked at the last minute for some unknown reason and decommitted. UNC offered him ages ago and he turned them down, then changed his mind. And Chris Little just flipflopped from school to school so that wasn't that surprising.

Why is it when ND does it, its a matter of righting a wrong or making a dream come true and fairy tale dust?

It is what it is. ND went after a committed kid, the same thing that others did to ND. Brandon Walker is the same thing. If youre going to use the "his coach left so oh well" then use the same thing for Minter. Trattou was signed up to play for Minter, not Brown - so how can everybody crack on this Trattou kid?

 

[irishunclebill]

And maybe they need to take a page from Les Miles and not allow kids to visit other schools, consequence-free, once they've committed. I don't mean pull their schollies automatically (this seems foolish to me), but sit down and have a frank talk about what's going on and how we're going to go after other people in the meantime who might take your scholarship out from under you.

It seems pretty clear from CW's presser that he is going to use the Miles policy. Direct quotes from the presser.

"No soft verbals, no silent verbals, no quiet verbals. Either you're committed or you're not committed. I don't think there is any in-between there."

“I think that one of the things that we are going to make sure of this year, differently than we have done in the past, is make sure when a guy wants to say yes to us, that there is a clear understanding from everyone, they are not going to visit anywhere else, they are not going to talk to anyone else, it's either they are committed to us or not committed to us"


I hope that answers your question as well Rockne19, and I can't wait to hear what brilliant insight we will get from WBA regarding the above quotes.

 

[GoIrish41]

I frankly don't know why anyone commits before signing day. It's not like any of the pressure falls off. Heck, it probably picks up. By committing early, they just put pressure on themselves if they change their minds. Now, when I watch the ND/UNC game this year, I'm going to want Zibby to decapitate G. Little when he comes across the middle because he pulled such a dick move on signing day. If he would have just kept his mouth shut until today, I'd have shrugged my shoulders and said, "oh well, he picked his home town school."

 

[weisbankaccount]

OK other than WBA & FI9 who have made clear their disdain for CW, did anyone else who is unbiased hear him whine on Rivals radio.

lol, and there it is. If it isnt all ND koolaid, all day long, then you are either a Ty lover or troll, or Weis hater.

The funny thing is that on ESPN me and FI9 got into 100 arguments over Ty vs Weis - me being the Weis backer......nevermind that I have Weis in my freakin screen name.

Im the one saying that Im thrilled with the class that just signed while the recruitniks are on suicide watch.

The only thing I said about Weis is that he shouldnt whine about recruiting ethics and then take a guy committed to Iowa.

I actually think the guy has unreasonable, ridiculous expectations - much like the Ron Powlus expectations.

While everyone gags over the joke that was Powlus, I found it curious that it was Powlus' records being broken by Quinn..........

Weis is in the same boat....the Weis droids run around thinking Weis builds hospitals and purifies water in Africa. the fact is that hes a good recruiter, good coach, not yet proven this genious that people are forcing on him. I really think people are so desperate for NCs that theyve convinced themselves that he HAS to be the genious because they cant take it if he isnt.

 

[irishunclebill]

Well there it is WBA, thanks for the insight, rambling and incoherent though it was. As I said earlier you are obviously much smarter than me, (BTW did you just admit that you and FI9 used to get into arguments on ESPN, takes balls to admit that) so I will no longer subject my intellectual inferiority to your superior brilliance.

How do you ignore posts from people? OMG, even I am smart enough to figure that out. DONE!

 

[GoIrish41]

the Weis droids run around thinking Weis builds hospitals and purifies water in Africa. the fact is that hes a good recruiter, good coach, not yet proven this genious that people are forcing on him. I really think people are so desperate for NCs that theyve convinced themselves that he HAS to be the genious because they cant take it if he isnt.

Thank you. I like CW as much as anyone, but him "stealing" a recruit is, in fact, no different than any other coach "stealing" a rectuit. He is not the Zen master of recruiting, but he's doing pretty well. He is a good play coach, but has gotten beat down is some very big games. Expectations on this guy are unreal, and when ND fans describe him as the second coming, it just sounds a bit silly.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

OK other than WBA & FI9 who have made clear their disdain for CW, did anyone else who is unbiased hear him whine on Rivals radio.

I didn't hear it on Rivals Radio, I caught it from a statement made to ND reporters today, was a Rivals insider link, but I'm sure you can find it on UND.com

Its right before they start talking about Benn's silent comitt to ND and Vass


And just because I don't think Weis has shown to be GREAT...doesn't mean I have disdain for him....some of you need to only hear the smoke up the arse or you think they are bashing ND or Weis...

I like Weis...I just don't think he has done anything "great" yet and has a long way to go to be a great head coach...

 

[weisbankaccount]

Well there it is WBA, thanks for the insight, rambling and incoherent though it was. As I said earlier you are obviously much smarter than me, (BTW did you just admit that you and FI9 used to get into arguments on ESPN, takes balls to admit that) so I will no longer subject my intellectual inferiority to your superior brilliance.

How do you ignore posts from people? OMG, even I am smart enough to figure that out. DONE!

yeah, im the one playing intellectual superiority. it shouldnt be difficult to see ND was ranked anywhere between 5-8 with recruiting but everyone is ready to climb the gallows today.

What is it that is bothering you? Weis is on the radio wanting sweeping wholesale changes in recruiting for the sole reason that he lost 2 guys today. I just think its disingenuous because ND picked up 2 kids late that were committed to other teams too.

Sorry that Im happy with the class overall and that I think Weis is wrong to complain about a process that he too exploited.

 

[marv81s]

I would like to know what recruit it was that he stole? Smith? That was a minter pass, then Brown came in and got him. Walker was a decommitt from Louisville that opened back up his recruitment and Gary Gray was the same thing, he reopened his recruitment.

FI9 has never said one good thing about any of the recruits that Weis has signed in his 2 full years. WBA, if you can't see what Weis has done in his two seasons here and give him credit for being a good coach, then I have no idea what your expecting of him.

There was no whining from Weis today, it was a guy that thinks that the recruiting system needs to be changed and from now on, ND is going to use the same system that LSU and TExas use, you committ to us, that is it, no more looking around. You get the guys that know that they want to be ND guys, can't get married and look around afterwards and I agree with that anology. Little was a ND lock for the last month and then Weis finds out at 9:50 AM that Little is going to UNC, you don't think he has a right to be upset about that?

For a guy that has Weis in his screen name, I am having trouble finding one positive thing that you have posted on here about him. I don't expect homerism, so don't start that bullshit with me. I do think you should give credit to where credit is due. when was the last time ND had back to back top 10 recruiting classes? Back to back BCS bowl game appearances, a team that was 6-6 and 5-7 the two years prior to his arrival. Look at ND's average star ranking on rivals, that says a ton about the quality of players Weis is getting into ND too.

Your shit is getting old.

 

[weisbankaccount]

I didn't hear it on Rivals Radio, I caught it from a statement made to ND reporters today, was a Rivals insider link, but I'm sure you can find it on UND.com

Its right before they start talking about Benn's silent comitt to ND and Vass


And just because I don't think Weis has shown to be GREAT...doesn't mean I have disdain for him....some of you need to only hear the smoke up the arse or you think they are bashing ND or Weis...

I like Weis...I just don't think he has done anything "great" yet and has a long way to go to be a great head coach...

Same with me. I think hes a good coach but has yet to do anything to earn the title of "great" - this past year was an eye opener for me, namely the team was basically intact from the year before and was definitely not as good as the year before. Nobody can argue this fact either - its in every number and stat available.

These last 2 classes have been excellent and if he got to BCS bowls with 30-40 ranked classes, I am excited about the future prospect.....but as of now its still a prospective future.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

I would like to know what recruit it was that he stole? Smith? That was a minter pass, then Brown came in and got him. Walker was a decommitt from Louisville that opened back up his recruitment and Gary Gray was the same thing, he reopened his recruitment.

FI9 has never said one good thing about any of the recruits that Weis has signed in his 2 full years. WBA, if you can't see what Weis has done in his two seasons here and give him credit for being a good coach, then I have no idea what your expecting of him.

There was no whining from Weis today, it was a guy that thinks that the recruiting system needs to be changed and from now on, ND is going to use the same system that LSU and TExas use, you committ to us, that is it, no more looking around. You get the guys that know that they want to be ND guys, can't get married and look around afterwards and I agree with that anology. Little was a ND lock for the last month and then Weis finds out at 9:50 AM that Little is going to UNC, you don't think he has a right to be upset about that?

For a guy that has Weis in his screen name, I am having trouble finding one positive thing that you have posted on here about him. I don't expect homerism, so don't start that bullshit with me. I do think you should give credit to where credit is due. when was the last time ND had back to back top 10 recruiting classes? Back to back BCS bowl game appearances, a team that was 6-6 and 5-7 the two years prior to his arrival. Look at ND's average star ranking on rivals, that says a ton about the quality of players Weis is getting into ND too.

Your shit is getting old.

LOL, last year I broke down the entire recruiting class talking about all their positives, and will do the same this year I was THRILLED about Creg Little....until the decomit....but yea it is VERY rare for me to get all excited about a recruit, because I never expect anything from any recruit until their Jr year...You won't see many making a significant impact....there is one or 2 ever few years like Walker, Harris and Young....but they are few and far between, hence I don't get all giddy about recruits because we aren't going to see them for a few years on average...

(remember last year, everyone talked Walls, McNeil, Aldridge etc etc etc...I tried to calm the masses with reality....but I was just a Ty lover loving on Ty's recruits (though I just consider them ND players)

As for "giving Weis credit"...I give him all the credit I think he deserves...He is a great offensive cordinatior but IMO going 9-3 and 10-3 is what a team with the talent and experince ND had against the kinds of Schedules ND played (only 1 top 25 win) I think he did what he should have with the talent we had....no more no less..

I like the direction of the program but he has done nothing to me that screams "great"...he has had one nice class (last year) and one good class (this year)..but I'm not going to pretend he has done something great...

YEar one he recruited mostly 3 stars
Year 2 he missed out big time with our Need positions but did get a ton of talent

Sorry I don't buy the Genuis Koolaide...I think an Average coach could have done what Weis did the last two years at ND...especially with the addition of the top of the line athletic center bringing us out of the dark ages and the addition of EE for athletes

Look at ND's average star ranking on rivals, that says a ton about the quality of players Weis is getting into ND too.

LOL and this comment really stood out for me...you act like he had no talent on the team when he got here yet...the average star ranking for the last 6 classes...

2002 #9
2003 #9
2004 #20
2005 #26
2006 #13
2007 #6

 

[KingAdrock99]

Same with me. I think hes a good coach but has yet to do anything to earn the title of "great" - this past year was an eye opener for me, namely the team was basically intact from the year before and was definitely not as good as the year before. Nobody can argue this fact either - its in every number and stat available.

These last 2 classes have been excellent and if he got to BCS bowls with 30-40 ranked classes, I am excited about the future prospect.....but as of now its still a prospective future.

Weis takes a team that was getting smoked by teams like Syracuse and makes them a good and consistant ball club. What's wrong with that? The next step is getting the talent to put them over the top and competitive with the upper echelon teams.

 

[weisbankaccount]

I would like to know what recruit it was that he stole? Smith? That was a minter pass, then Brown came in and got him. Walker was a decommitt from Louisville that opened back up his recruitment and Gary Gray was the same thing, he reopened his recruitment.

FI9 has never said one good thing about any of the recruits that Weis has signed in his 2 full years. WBA, if you can't see what Weis has done in his two seasons here and give him credit for being a good coach, then I have no idea what your expecting of him.

There was no whining from Weis today, it was a guy that thinks that the recruiting system needs to be changed and from now on, ND is going to use the same system that LSU and TExas use, you committ to us, that is it, no more looking around. You get the guys that know that they want to be ND guys, can't get married and look around afterwards and I agree with that anology. Little was a ND lock for the last month and then Weis finds out at 9:50 AM that Little is going to UNC, you don't think he has a right to be upset about that?

For a guy that has Weis in his screen name, I am having trouble finding one positive thing that you have posted on here about him. I don't expect homerism, so don't start that bullshit with me. I do think you should give credit to where credit is due. when was the last time ND had back to back top 10 recruiting classes? Back to back BCS bowl game appearances, a team that was 6-6 and 5-7 the two years prior to his arrival. Look at ND's average star ranking on rivals, that says a ton about the quality of players Weis is getting into ND too.

Your shit is getting old.

no, its your shit thats old. if you cant find positive Ive said about Weis maybe its because your just a jerkoff that likes to swoop in when theres real debate so you can ring your non homer alert siren.

My whole post started as me saying Im thrilled with the class but Weis is a hypocrite to criticize the system because of what committed or not committed means when they went after a committed kid to Iowa - but when ND does it its called "righting a wrong" "making a dream happen" and now your spin of "a Minter pass"

But Trattou is a motherfucker and piece of shit right? The hypocrisy is hilarious. Louisvilles coach left so Walker is open season, Minter was fired so Trattou is a traitor piece of shit - LOL

You want to find positive Ive said about Weis, how bout me saying hes a good recruiter and good coach about 5 posts up but that simply isnt good enough here, he has to be genious, great, the return to glory and all the other bullshit fairy tale crap that people here toss around.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Weis takes a team that was getting smoked by teams like Syracuse and makes them a good and consistant ball club. What's wrong with that? The next step is getting the talent to put them over the top and competitive with the upper echelon teams.

Weis took a Young team, and made them more consistant but still beat no top 25 teams in 2005 and lost to a sub .500 team at home

The next year all the players return, again...a consistant team, no losses to unranked teams this time, but only one top 25 win (#25 Penn State) and Multiple Blowouts

Sorry but with the talent on the team...I'm not upset with Weis's seasons but I'm not going to act like it was some grand accomplishment either

 

[Irish Legend]

lol, and there it is. If it isnt all ND koolaid, all day long, then you are either a Ty lover or troll, or Weis hater.

The funny thing is that on ESPN me and FI9 got into 100 arguments over Ty vs Weis - me being the Weis backer......nevermind that I have Weis in my freakin screen name.

Im the one saying that Im thrilled with the class that just signed while the recruitniks are on suicide watch.

The only thing I said about Weis is that he shouldnt whine about recruiting ethics and then take a guy committed to Iowa.

I actually think the guy has unreasonable, ridiculous expectations - much like the Ron Powlus expectations.

While everyone gags over the joke that was Powlus, I found it curious that it was Powlus' records being broken by Quinn..........

Weis is in the same boat....the Weis droids run around thinking Weis builds hospitals and purifies water in Africa. the fact is that hes a good recruiter, good coach, not yet proven this genious that people are forcing on him. I really think people are so desperate for NCs that theyve convinced themselves that he HAS to be the genious because they cant take it if he isnt.

Why are you even at this site? You are a hater, just go away!!!

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Why are you even at this site? You are a hater, just go away!!!

Yes if you disagree you should just go away....

???????????????

Personaly I would love if the site had 5 different points of view and they were discussed....but thats just me...

I like opposing points of view and don't want the same old mantra over and over

 

[weisbankaccount]

Weis takes a team that was getting smoked by teams like Syracuse and makes them a good and consistant ball club. What's wrong with that? The next step is getting the talent to put them over the top and competitive with the upper echelon teams.

Nothings wrong with that, thats why I said hes a good coach.

Im sorry but I dont start calling people great coaches after 2 years, 0 bowl wins and a 19-6 record. It is good not great. I dont see why there is an argument here.

 

[KingAdrock99]

Weis took a Young team, and made them more consistant but still beat no top 25 teams in 2005 and lost to a sub .500 team at home

The next year all the players return, again...a consistant team, no losses to unranked teams this time, but only one top 25 win (#25 Penn State) and Multiple Blowouts

Sorry but with the talent on the team...I'm not upset with Weis's seasons but I'm not going to act like it was some grand accomplishment either

The same talent was there for Ty and he got hammered by Syracuse, Oregon State and Purdue. Weis comes in and loses to Michigan State but beat Michigan in the Big House and loses to USC, OSU82, Michigan and LSU. Some key personnel replacements should take care of those losses, at least make them closer games. In today's college game, it's hard to play as consistently as CW has got ND to play. They haven't loss to Oregon State or UCLA or 2nd tier teams like that, only the loss to MSU in OT, in his 2nd or 3rd game at ND.

 

[OffensiveAssassin]

I am not sure that he really said anything hypocritical as was pissed the verbal commitment doesn't seem to mean dick anymore. He said he would still go after verbaled prospects if they were still looking.

 

[BigIrish]

Look at ND's average star ranking on rivals, that says a ton about the quality of players Weis is getting into ND too.

LOL and this comment really stood out for me...you act like he had no talent on the team when he got here yet...the average star ranking for the last 6 classes...

2002 #9
2003 #9
2004 #20
2005 #26
2006 #13
2007 #6

i'm not going to get in the middle of your debate here, but that's revisionist history that you're promoting there. average star rating is misleading, because it doesn't take into consideration the size of the class, etc.

following the same rivals classes you cite above, ND's actual class ranking looks a little different:

2002: #24
2003: #12
2004: #32
2005: #40
2006: #8
2007: #8

hmmm....that's an average rating about #36 for the two years prior to 2006 & 2007.

 

[weisbankaccount]

Why are you even at this site? You are a hater, just go away!!!

Yes, I am a hater - all that money Ive put into ND over the years is actually funneled to a secret USC fund.......

Sorry for calling him a good coach and good recruiter. I know, I know, its the year 2007 where the next thing is always "the best" now Peyton Manning is "the best" nevermind Tom Brady used to be "the best" but then again Tom Brady was better than Montana 2 years ago too but now hes not even as good as Manning nor is he a pro bowler.............

Sorry for not being full of shit, mea culpa

 

[absoluteirish59]

Weis never mentioned how he took Smith from Iowa and walker from Louisville. Its pretty hypocritical to whine about what a commitment means after you swooped in after missing your targets and offer to a verbally committed guy for months to Iowa.

If a few guys wouldve left somehwere else for ND, everybody here would make them a hero and not even bring up the other school. Since it was ND that they left, now the process needs to be looked at and kids are fucked up. Pretty screwy logic.

You beat me to the punch. We also try to recruit kids after they have verbally commited to another school so we don't have the right to get angry when another coach does the same thing to one of our recruits.

 

[irishunclebill]

I didn't hear it on Rivals Radio, I caught it from a statement made to ND reporters today, was a Rivals insider link, but I'm sure you can find it on UND.com

It’s right before they start talking about Benn's silent commit to ND and Vass


And just because I don't think Weis has shown to be GREAT...doesn't mean I have disdain for him....some of you need to only hear the smoke up the arse or you think they are bashing ND or Weis...

I like Weis...I just don't think he has done anything "great" yet and has a long way to go to be a great head coach...

OK FI9 my bad. I just assumed that since both yours and WBA's "whining" comments appeared on this thread right after CW ended his interview on Rivals radio that you were saying he was whining there. ASSUME as we all knows means........

Now as to his interview, I did see that and in fact I posted earlier in this thread the quotes from the segment right before the Benn subject came up. Here they are again.

"No soft verbals, no silent verbals, no quiet verbals. Either you're committed or you're not committed. I don't think there is any in-between there."

“I think that one of the things that we are going to make sure of this year, differently than we have done in the past, is make sure when a guy wants to say yes to us, that there is a clear understanding from everyone, they are not going to visit anywhere else, they are not going to talk to anyone else, it's either they are committed to us or not committed to us"

Now, if this is the part that you are calling whining, I would normally say to a rational person that we would just have to agree to disagree. However, if a clear and perfectly understandable statement of CW’s recruiting policy going forward is whining to you and WBA, then it is clear that both of you are delusional with respect to anything Charlie Weis says. Please don’t come back with a post where you say it isn’t true, I really do like CW, and then in the same post rip him to shreds. Just admit it, you hate the guy, and since your posts so clearly show that, why are you posting on a ND fan site. Pass me the Kool-Aid, MM MM it’s good.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

The same talent was there for Ty and he got hammered by Syracuse, Oregon State and Purdue. Weis comes in and loses to Michigan State but beat Michigan in the Big House and loses to USC, OSU82, Michigan and LSU. Some key personnel replacements should take care of those losses, at least make them closer games. In today's college game, it's hard to play as consistently as CW has got ND to play. They haven't loss to Oregon State or UCLA or 2nd tier teams like that, only the loss to MSU in OT, in his 2nd or 3rd game at ND.

So Weis beat Michigan...whoo hoo a 7-5 Michigan..BTW..Ty was 2-1 against Michigan AND Michgan STate so is beating them really a big deal?

Its not that hard to be consistant when your team is made up of Seniors, how many Seniors were starting last year....Jr's the year before?, especially when you are playing one of the easiest 2 year runs of ND schedules in decades

As for the "same talent"....you really believe a Freshman QB is the same as a Sr QB or Sophomore to Jr....sorry but in Ty's second year we started playing a TON of underclassman against some of the tougher ND schedules in recent history...Weis was playing them as Upperclassman against some of the weaker schedules in Recent ND history

Its AMAZING they got different results