Could Frazer AND Jones transfer?

[IrishAlum1997]

If Claussen manages to get the starting job to start the season, is it possible both Jones and Frazer go somewhere else in order to see significant PT before their college careers are over?

I think it is irrelevant with Frazer, but could Jones be convinced to make a position change to stay with ND IF this scenario played out?

Could a 2-QB system work?

Could we get enough snaps off to keep everyone happy?

Could we get an extra piece of fruit past the old people patrolling the South Dining Hall?

These questions and more...answered AS THE DOME TURNS!!!

 

[GoshenGipper]

I think at least one, if not two of the four QBs will eventually transfer. Just for the record, as sombody that has played a lot of QB in his time, I absolutly hate any kind of QB rotation.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Well if Claussen is not starting by the start of the 2008 season, you've got to think he is gone for sure. With the positive comments that have circulated about how Jones has performed in practice, I would think that if this season this is not his team he is gone too.

If Demetrius starts the season, Frazer is gone this year. Maybe I'm wrong here, but Sharpley just reeks of career backup. Worked for Paul Failla!

I don't know how an overabundance of QB talent is necessarily a good thing. With JC entering the fold, there has to be an announcement in the next 5 months indicating Jones or Frazer has requested a transfer.

 

[Junkhead]

I think Clausen will start in 2008 and on.... 2007, who knows. And I can see a QB transfer. Too bad we can't move one to LB.

 

[kjones]

How can you say that when you look at a school like USC? I mean, they have AWESOME backup quarterbacks, and everyone gets to start for what, a year? Or two years if they stay on an extra season? First of all, I don't think Clausen will earn the spot his freshman year, and it would probably be better for us all if he didn't. Imagine him coming in in a year or two and jumping in full throttle, like Matt Leinhart after Carson Palmer.

 

[ShivaIrish]

Could a 2-QB system work?

I don't think Weis's philosophy allows for a 2-QB system.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

If Claussen manages to get the starting job to start the season, is it possible both Jones and Frazer go somewhere else in order to see significant PT before their college careers are over?

I think it is irrelevant with Frazer, but could Jones be convinced to make a position change to stay with ND IF this scenario played out?

Could a 2-QB system work?

Could we get enough snaps off to keep everyone happy?

Could we get an extra piece of fruit past the old people patrolling the South Dining Hall?

These questions and more...answered AS THE DOME TURNS!!!

Demtrious Jones is a Quarterback, he will play QB or transfer....

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

I don't think Weis's philosophy allows for a 2-QB system.

If Weis is the genius folks like to make him out to be, his system should be able to adjust to any personel situation that would best help us win

 

[irishranger]

If any of these quarterbacks are actually team players, they will do what is best for the team. CW is a big team guy, doesn't care to much for individuals.

 

[knute]

If Claussen manages to get the starting job to start the season, is it possible both Jones and Frazer go somewhere else in order to see significant PT before their college careers are over?

I think it is irrelevant with Frazer, but could Jones be convinced to make a position change to stay with ND IF this scenario played out?

Could a 2-QB system work?

Could we get enough snaps off to keep everyone happy?

Could we get an extra piece of fruit past the old people patrolling the South Dining Hall?

These questions and more...answered AS THE DOME TURNS!!!

Yes, both could transfer. Anyone can transfer, even someone who's getting playing time (like Talley).

Jones is not going to change positions. Both he and Coach Weis have been asked that multiple times by reporters. It's not going to happen.

There will be no 2-QB system. Weis is not Urban Meyer. He wants to run his Patriots pro-style offense. Can you imagine the Patriots running a 2-QB system?

It's important to remember that this all won't be sorted out until at least the end of 2007. One guy (Jones, Frazer, Sharpley or Clausen) will win the starting job for the first game of 2007, but the battle won't be over just then. It all depends on how the 2007 starter performs. If he plays well and wins games, he'll stay the starter. In the mean time, the other guys will be trying to improve and be ready to step in if he faulters.

There's a realistic chance that the guy who starts the first game of 2007 may not be the guy who starts the last game. By the end of 2007, I could imagine at least one guy (maybe two) becoming discouraged and transferring. That's a year from now and a lot can happen in that time.

BTW, I think it's a little insulting to Jones and Frazer (and even Sharpley) that so many people who've never even seen them play are just assuming that they aren't good enough to win the starting QB position.

 

[knute]

If Weis is the genius folks like to make him out to be, his system should be able to adjust to any personel situation that would best help us win

Weis is not the genius folks make him out to be. He's just a smart, hard-working guy.

He's said several times in interviews that he'd rather get a different quarterback than change his offensive philosophy.

 

[grantphilly]

I think at least one, if not two of the four QBs will eventually transfer. Just for the record, as sombody that has played a lot of QB in his time, I absolutly hate any kind of QB rotation.

where did you play

 

[GoshenGipper]

where did you play

Just some in high school, and I am always picked to be the QB in any pick-up game I play in, usually it's the all-time QB, or the score getts lop sided.

Just for a little info on our weekly pick-up games. They are full contact with no pads, and consist of consist mostly of guys that played football in high school, current high school players, people that played in lower level colleges, guys in the military, some ex semi-pro players, and a former NFL/Michigan DE when he's in town.

 

[jiggafini19]

I think it is safe to assume that of these four, at least one of the three that doesn't win the starting job will leave the football team via transferring to another school or deciding to play baseball full time. Hint hint.

The guy that comes in 3rd or 4th place on the depth chart might not want to stay buried there. Rocky Hinds got the hell outta SC dodge and he was a four star QB coming out of high school and had several nice accolades. He's at UNLV now. Jake Kelchner and Matt LoVecchio left Notre Dame in last 20 years to pursue opportunities that allowed them to get on the field

All four of these kids are pretty good athletes and every human being has an ego. An ND education is nice and all, but anyone with brains, heart and balls wants to compete. This is why you don't burn bridges during recruiting.

Sharpley has two things going for him: He's set foot on the field and he's been in the playbook a year longer than Jones and Frazer. He has supposedly reached a crossroads in both football and baseball. His baseball future is said to be brighter. If he doesn't win the starting job, devoting his full time to baseball might be in his best interests.

I don't envy any of them with only Young, Sullivan, Carlson and Schwapp returning around him.

 

[FleaFlicker]

I think it is safe to assume that of these four, at least one of the three that doesn't win the starting job will leave the football team via transferring to another school or deciding to play baseball full time. Hint hint.

The guy that comes in 3rd or 4th place on the depth chart might not want to stay buried there. Rocky Hinds got the hell outta SC dodge and he was a four star QB coming out of high school and had several nice accolades. He's at UNLV now. Jake Kelchner and Matt LoVecchio left Notre Dame in last 20 years to pursue opportunities that allowed them to get on the field

All four of these kids are pretty good athletes and every human being has an ego. An ND education is nice and all, but anyone with brains, heart and balls wants to compete. This is why you don't burn bridges during recruiting.

Sharpley has two things going for him: He's set foot on the field and he's been in the playbook a year longer than Jones and Frazer. He has supposedly reached a crossroads in both football and baseball. His baseball future is said to be brighter. If he doesn't win the starting job, devoting his full time to baseball might be in his best interests.

I don't envy any of them with only Young, Sullivan, Carlson and Schwapp returning around him.

Side note, good to see you posting again.

On topic, I don't think there is any way that Sharpley is the starting QB all year next year. Unless he exceeds every expectation on him and just dominates. I understand that he has the time working with the first team, and being the #2 guy. But I don't think there is any way he is in that position if he wasn't one year older than Jones and Frazer last year.

If I'm him... I just focus on baseball if I really want a future in sports.

In terms of Jones and Frazer, I finally looked at their film yesterday for the first time (this is my first year of really getting into recruiting. And I was very impressed with Frazer's arm. I know that everybody love Jones' excitiing style, but you have to remember the coach here. Weis is used to... and likes... strong armed pro-style passers. Jones isn't necessarily that. This is one area where I really think Meyer excells, and we just don't know about Weis yet. How much is he willing to mold this team to his players, and not just his philosophy. It is yet to be seen I suppose.

But I wouldn't count out Frazer at this point, in the clips I saw, he had a bullet and seemed very accurate. Not to mention he is a Behemoth not quite the size of a Jamarcus Russell, but close.

In terms of tranferring, I wouldn't hold it against any QB that didn't see themselves getting a lot of starting time, if they tranferred. If I thought I was a great QB that just needed a shot, I would do the same thing. But yeah, I see Sharpley gone regardless, and either Jones or Frazer leaving at the end of next year. Whichever got more playing time will probably stay, the other will leave.

I'd have to say that the one advantage Clausen and Frazer have is that they already fit Weis' style, whereas Weis would have to shift his style to fit Jones. And by the same note, either CLausen or Frazer could back up each other seamlessly if an injury happened, whereas ist would be different with Jones.

 

[Irishkid23]

Side note, good to see you posting again.

On topic, I don't think there is any way that Sharpley is the starting QB all year next year. Unless he exceeds every expectation on him and just dominates. I understand that he has the time working with the first team, and being the #2 guy. But I don't think there is any way he is in that position if he wasn't one year older than Jones and Frazer last year.

If I'm him... I just focus on baseball if I really want a future in sports.

In terms of Jones and Frazer, I finally looked at their film yesterday for the first time (this is my first year of really getting into recruiting. And I was very impressed with Frazer's arm. I know that everybody love Jones' excitiing style, but you have to remember the coach here. Weis is used to... and likes... strong armed pro-style passers. Jones isn't necessarily that. This is one area where I really think Meyer excells, and we just don't know about Weis yet. How much is he willing to mold this team to his players, and not just his philosophy. It is yet to be seen I suppose.

But I wouldn't count out Frazer at this point, in the clips I saw, he had a bullet and seemed very accurate. Not to mention he is a Behemoth not quite the size of a Jamarcus Russell, but close.

In terms of tranferring, I wouldn't hold it against any QB that didn't see themselves getting a lot of starting time, if they tranferred. If I thought I was a great QB that just needed a shot, I would do the same thing. But yeah, I see Sharpley gone regardless, and either Jones or Frazer leaving at the end of next year. Whichever got more playing time will probably stay, the other will leave.

I'd have to say that the one advantage Clausen and Frazer have is that they already fit Weis' style, whereas Weis would have to shift his style to fit Jones. And by the same note, either CLausen or Frazer could back up each other seamlessly if an injury happened, whereas ist would be different with Jones.

Great Points.

I believe Frazer is the man because of the "Weis system". Also his size, arm, accuracy and one full year of understanding the playbook will contribute to his possible playing time. Frazer was the 1st QB that Weis and Cutcliffe recruited last year.

I do believe that Jones is a fabulous athlete, but I am not certain that he is the QB of the near future.

 

[RichardRiot]

On topic, I don't think there is any way that Sharpley is the starting QB all year next year. Unless he exceeds every expectation on him and just dominates. I understand that he has the time working with the first team, and being the #2 guy. But I don't think there is any way he is in that position if he wasn't one year older than Jones and Frazer last year.
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Just curious what this is based on (given his limited game action). He was the 12th ranked QB by rivals and the 18th by Scout in 2005. So it's not like he is a walk-on.

He also was the back-up this past season (even into the LSU game), so must be an indication that he was ahead of the other 2 in Weis' mind. Anything can happen in spring practice, but I would suspect that if Weis doubted Sharpley's abilities, he would have had Frazer or Jones as back-up.

That being said, I am not sure how all will be happy over the next few years. SC was able to keep Booty and Sanchez at bay for a season when Leinart was 'dancing' his senior year; and Sanchez watched this year, and may again next year. So it's not unheard of for a top notch QB to wait it out.

 

[BGIF]

92 days until the Blue and Gold Game and we get to see Clausen, Frazer, and Jones, in game action for the first time. We already seen a little of Sharpley but now we'll get to see them together.

May the best QB win!

 

[GoshenGipper]

I know I'm going again this year. Other than a few during the Davieham era I've caught it every year since I have been about 2 or 3 years old.

 

[irishranger]

Remember that hostetler was a more mobile quaterback than Simms and wies helped make it work. They figured out how to move himm around and work to hins strengths. That being said I think whichever quarterback picks up the most of CW' offense and is able to read defense will get the job. CW is very innovative, and i believe we are about to see his best coaching year. not necessarily in wins or losses, but in actual coaching.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

How can you say that when you look at a school like USC? I mean, they have AWESOME backup quarterbacks, and everyone gets to start for what, a year? Or two years if they stay on an extra season? First of all, I don't think Clausen will earn the spot his freshman year, and it would probably be better for us all if he didn't. Imagine him coming in in a year or two and jumping in full throttle, like Matt Leinhart after Carson Palmer.[/QUOTE

Or the QB could never start a game, be a career backup & still make an NFL roster. Matt Cassell did just that at SC & now he's a backup for the Patriots. IMO, Sharpley will turn to baseball full time, unless he just has a phenomenal spring & leaves no doubt that he should be the starter. Other than that, I think Jones gets the nod in '07. Weis will need a dual threat w/ an inexperienced O-line, WR corps & RB. If he's the starter, let's hope he's more Kevin McDougal than Carlyle Holiday. McDougal was a smart passer & a smart runner. He wasn't a speed merchant like Tony Rice, but he knew when to tuck & run for the 1st down. He wasn't a prolific passer like Quinn, but he was very efficient & made smart/safe passes. Plus, b/c of his inexperience Holtz kept him on a short leash by calling all the plays & rarely, if ever, allowing him to audible. I'm sure Weis will do the same w/ whoever gets the nod until they prove trustworthy enough to make the right calls themselves. Finally, I think Frazer would be the odd man out & most likely to transfer. Of course it's all conjecture at this point. How ironic would it be if Frazer beat 'em all out b/c no one thinks he will? I'd love to be at Spring practice this year.