Who do you want to be 07 QB?

Who do you want to be 07 QB?

  • Sharply

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jones

    Votes: 22 34.4%
  • Frazer

    Votes: 4 6.3%
  • Clausen

    Votes: 33 51.6%
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    Votes: 5 7.8%

  • Total voters
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Vince Young

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But as the board wants to "clean up"....if you get back to actually talking football and not crying about a fat joke....let me know...I'll return to the thread...

If you wish to continue crying about a joke...private me, we can discuss it there for hours if you wish

Fair enough. You'd rather be thought of as a troll who tells fat jokes about his own coach than be thought of as a thoughtful, intelligent poster. Says a lot about you.

By the way, that's the 3rd or 4th time you've said you wanted to stop discussing this topic. Yet for someone who wants to stop discussing this, isn't it strange that you keep discussing this? Nobody's forcing you to click Reply.
 

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Replying to your PM, FI9...

I could always just change your user title to "I think fat jokes are funny." I have the cash for it.

But that would be about as funny as a fat joke.
 

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Who knows, could be anything from he was only planning on a 2 year deal because he doesn't want to be a QB coach but was helping Weis out to he ate one of Weis's fries during a coaches meeting....

I don't think it says anything about our QB's though

I know a couple people took offense at this...but to be honest, CW does weigh a good 280-300...I think a fry joke or two is kinda funny. Especially given that it actually proved the point that it could be a big or little thing that caused Vaas to leave.
 
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Fighting_Irish9

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I know a couple people took offense at this...but to be honest, CW does weigh a good 280-300...I think a fry joke or two is kinda funny. Especially given that it actually proved the point that it could be a big or little thing that caused Vaas to leave.

BTW I am wondering if Powlus had anything to do with it....Could be he got the can simply to move Ron up as he was being groomed for the job...

But again we won't really know till we get a presser

(ps, glad to see not everyone is so sensitive)
 
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FleaFlicker

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BTW I am wondering if Powlus had anything to do with it....Could be he got the can simply to move Ron up as he was being groomed for the job...

But again we won't really know till we get a presser

(ps, glad to see not everyone is so sensitive)

The presser is coming this Friday, btw. Like... tomorrow.
 

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Maybe not JC? No maybe there. It is a certainty.

Sharpley was rated outside of the top 10 QBs in the nation that year. Rivals had him #12 at three stars (Dirty Sanchez was #1, Colt McCoy was #15) Therefore, coming out of HS, the other three guys were rated higher than him during their respective senior seasons. Jones and Frazer were rated among the likes of Tebow, Stafford and Mustain...all of whom saw time this year on the field.

Let us also recall that Wolke was our #2 guy last year and he transferred. Sharpley went up against two true freshmen and beat them out. He never beat out Wolke, so we'll never know if he would have been third this year or not.

Factor into this equation BASEBALL. Sharpley will battle for a starting job AND be playing baseball. This is rather concerning to me that his full undivided attention will not be on football. Save the Samardizja arguments. He wasn't competing for the starting QB spot in an offense that is centered around the QB as Weis has it.


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OK, Who is to say Wolke didnt transfer because he didnt want to compete againt Sharpley as well? That would have made 3 QBs that were rated higher than him on the roster.
And Colt McCoy was also rated outside the top ten but he can be a great QB. WHY?!? because HS rankings are worthless. But dont ask anybody on this board....

Bottom line is that you can make all the excuses and reasons you want the only thing any of us can prove is that SHARPLEY was #2 this past year bottom line. Weis was not going by HS rankings he was going by what he has seen in practice. Say what you want but we all know who was #2 and #3 and #4.

Jeff played both I dont see any reason why anybody can not do the same.

To say somebody who has never put on a ND jersey would beat out 3 experienced ND QBs is funny.
 
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jimmy clausen with the lead by 8 votes.... i know the hype but this is still very surprsing to me.
 
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Ideally it would be best if Jimmy Clausen came in, played spectacularly, and beat out the other 3 guys with each of them playing to their max. This isn't realistic, but it would be ideal for the team's success. Given that Clausen will be a Frosh, that Jones/Frazer did not get any game action last year, and that Sharpley didn't get asked to do much when he was inserted into late action, it would be impossible to say 'who I want to start'. Too many unknowns. It will be much easier to form opinions when news starts to filter out about spring ball. Repost this thread in the summer.

Regarding the large number of comments about 'Sharpley being used in late action, to preserve Jones/Frazer eligibility': IMO, the arguments make little sense. There are a few reasons why it would be ludicrous to suggest that Coach Weis would take that approach:
-Weis was NOT thinking about 2010 as the year unfolded, he was focused on 2006. Do you honestly believe that if Quinn had been hurt, that Weis would have wanted to insert his 'real back-up' having not given that player any GAME reps prior to the injury? Do you think that Weis has coached in the NFL, and is now the HC in South Bend, by accident? He surely would want to have a back-up available who had at least been in SOME LIVE ACTION. You may think that handing the ball off to Alridge is meaningless, but the fact of getting into games is a HUGE deal for young players (helps with building confidence).
-Weis has the UNANIMOUS #1 QB for the 2007 class coming in next year. Do you think that Weis was really mostly concerned about having BOTH Jones and Frazer retain eligibility for 2010? At the expense of potentially impacting development of Jones or Frazer for next year (where Clausen will be a Frosh and may not start). Weis is a pretty confident guy, so he would surely expect to be getting the top 1-3 rated QB in at least every other draft class. I doubt his big concern this year was 2010 eligibility for Frazer/Jones.
-Also, in the same vein of thinking. Many people suggested in another thread that Jones and/or Frazer are at risk of transfering given the expectations on Clausen. Weis surely has high expectations of Clausen for the future. Weis would have likely had the same thoughts about one or both of this year's frosh potentially transferring if Clausen meets the hype. Thus, isn't it logical that Weis wouldn't be as worried about both guys retaining their eligibility in 2010 as he would be about having one ready to back up Quinn for 2006 and be better developped for 2007?

When was it ever demonstrated that Sharpley was not as good as Jones or Frazer. Is this based on the number of stars these guys were assigned as recruits? Clearly Sharpley hasn't shown much in his limited game time; but HE is the guy that Coach Weis is putting in. There is a reason for that; and it is not about preserving a 5th year for guys who are current freshmen. Weis wants to win soon, not in 2010.

Not saying that Sharpley in 2007 will be ahead of the other 3; but I don't understand how anyone could argue that he is definitely the odd man out. Is there something posted somewhere where Weis indicates that Sharpley is NOT a potential QB for 2007? The only quotes that I have seen are that the position is open, it is a 4 man race, and will be won based on merit. Are the posters here better judges of the QB talent than the guy with the big rings on his fingers???
 
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Fighting_Irish9

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Ideally it would be best if Jimmy Clausen came in, played spectacularly, and beat out the other 3 guys with each of them playing to their max. This isn't realistic, but it would be ideal for the team's success. Given that Clausen will be a Frosh, that Jones/Frazer did not get any game action last year, and that Sharpley didn't get asked to do much when he was inserted into late action, it would be impossible to say 'who I want to start'. Too many unknowns. It will be much easier to form opinions when news starts to filter out about spring ball. Repost this thread in the summer.

Regarding the large number of comments about 'Sharpley being used in late action, to preserve Jones/Frazer eligibility': IMO, the arguments make little sense. There are a few reasons why it would be ludicrous to suggest that Coach Weis would take that approach:
-Weis was NOT thinking about 2010 as the year unfolded, he was focused on 2006. Do you honestly believe that if Quinn had been hurt, that Weis would have wanted to insert his 'real back-up' having not given that player any GAME reps prior to the injury? Do you think that Weis has coached in the NFL, and is now the HC in South Bend, by accident? He surely would want to have a back-up available who had at least been in SOME LIVE ACTION. You may think that handing the ball off to Alridge is meaningless, but the fact of getting into games is a HUGE deal for young players (helps with building confidence).
-Weis has the UNANIMOUS #1 QB for the 2007 class coming in next year. Do you think that Weis was really mostly concerned about having BOTH Jones and Frazer retain eligibility for 2010? At the expense of potentially impacting development of Jones or Frazer for next year (where Clausen will be a Frosh and may not start). Weis is a pretty confident guy, so he would surely expect to be getting the top 1-3 rated QB in at least every other draft class. I doubt his big concern this year was 2010 eligibility for Frazer/Jones.
-Also, in the same vein of thinking. Many people suggested in another thread that Jones and/or Frazer are at risk of transfering given the expectations on Clausen. Weis surely has high expectations of Clausen for the future. Weis would have likely had the same thoughts about one or both of this year's frosh potentially transferring if Clausen meets the hype. Thus, isn't it logical that Weis wouldn't be as worried about both guys retaining their eligibility in 2010 as he would be about having one ready to back up Quinn for 2006 and be better developped for 2007?

When was it ever demonstrated that Sharpley was not as good as Jones or Frazer. Is this based on the number of stars these guys were assigned as recruits? Clearly Sharpley hasn't shown much in his limited game time; but HE is the guy that Coach Weis is putting in. There is a reason for that; and it is not about preserving a 5th year for guys who are current freshmen. Weis wants to win soon, not in 2010.

Not saying that Sharpley in 2007 will be ahead of the other 3; but I don't understand how anyone could argue that he is definitely the odd man out. Is there something posted somewhere where Weis indicates that Sharpley is NOT a potential QB for 2007? The only quotes that I have seen are that the position is open, it is a 4 man race, and will be won based on merit. Are the posters here better judges of the QB talent than the guy with the big rings on his fingers???

100% agree on all the Sharpley stuff, no doubt he is in the lead going into the spring
 

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100% agree on all the Sharpley stuff, no doubt he is in the lead going into the spring

I basically agree with this post as well, but I don't see how you can say "no doubt". In particular, Jones and Frazier have had another year to develop and learn the system (of course, Sharpley has as well, but he'd had a full year with the system coming into '06 while they hadn't). Basically, there are no definites here, and I can't see why anyone is pretending that there are.
 

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OK, Who is to say Wolke didnt transfer because he didnt want to compete againt Sharpley as well? That would have made 3 QBs that were rated higher than him on the roster.
And Colt McCoy was also rated outside the top ten but he can be a great QB. WHY?!? because HS rankings are worthless. But dont ask anybody on this board....

Bottom line is that you can make all the excuses and reasons you want the only thing any of us can prove is that SHARPLEY was #2 this past year bottom line. Weis was not going by HS rankings he was going by what he has seen in practice. Say what you want but we all know who was #2 and #3 and #4.

Jeff played both I dont see any reason why anybody can not do the same.

To say somebody who has never put on a ND jersey would beat out 3 experienced ND QBs is funny.

You missed my point.

Sharpley did not have the accolades of the other three, as some people perceive, coming out of high school. Whether it matters to people or not, the other three guys were simply rated higher by the consensus of recruiting services. Didn't have USA Today, Gatorade, Parade, Army All America attached to his bio. That's the point I'm trying to drive home.

Again, Samardzija was not preparing to be the starting QB. Sharpley will be. Samardzija was also a starting pitcher. Sharpley is an every day player. Weis was okay with the arrangement for Samardzija. If he is comfortable doing the same wth Sharpley, so be it. Just the facts.

What "experience" do these three have other than having a copy of the playbook and their names on the roster? How many passes have they attempted amongst the three? Stafford, Mustain and Tebow all saw playing time last season as true freshman QB, as did Josh Freeman and Isiah Williams. The best player shall play. If Clausen is half as good as people are touting him, he should win the job.

Lost in all of this: who is going to start in place of Walker at running back? Thomas just spent a year taking first team D reps and Aldridge saw mop up time with our boy Sharpley. After Brady Quinn, no one knew the offense like Walker did. With this new QB, whoever it will be, a nice running game to ease the transition seems pretty important.
 
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And that means nothing, Sharpley won the #2 spot

With one extra year in the system, it's a lot easier to earn the job over some guys that have been there a few months. Just because Sharpley was the better pick now, doesn't mean he necessarily will be this year. In fact, I don't think he will be. I just don't.
 

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With one extra year in the system, it's a lot easier to earn the job over some guys that have been there a few months. Just because Sharpley was the better pick now, doesn't mean he necessarily will be this year. In fact, I don't think he will be. I just don't.

Absolutely right (though once again I stress that I have no real opinion on who the starter will be). Thanks for saving me the time of replying to FI9's non sequiturs for the billionth time.
 
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I voted for Jones, but it was a tough decision. I was swayed by the comments of the inexperienced line and needing someone who is mobile. If I had to guess which QB had the best chance of being a superstar, I'd have to put my money on Jimmy. I have never seen Jones play football. I have Clausen 3 or 4 times on local television. He has a gun. He can throw on the run and he has a great touch when one is needed. He is much superior to Quinn at this stage.
At times, he made throws on a rope that I rarely saw Quinn make. He has to be the best pure passer that Notre Dame has had in years. Can he run? Can he take a hit? He made need seasoning. WHATEVER, I JUST WANT US TO WIN!!!!!!!!
 

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I thought Chris Simms showed up in Austin in a white stretch limo....

Wasn't Chris Rix just an asshole that drove an SUV with his own number decal on the sides?

It was Clausen, his family, Tyler, Matthews....I doubt the family Toyota Camry could have fit them all. They should have gotten a short bus to avoid hubub.

An FSU alum told me that Rix carried business cards w/ his name & the fact that he was QB of FSU.
 
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Fighting_Irish9

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With one extra year in the system, it's a lot easier to earn the job over some guys that have been there a few months. Just because Sharpley was the better pick now, doesn't mean he necessarily will be this year. In fact, I don't think he will be. I just don't.

Well 2 years under your belt is better than one year...

Working with what will be the 1st team offense all last year (basicly last years second team) for an entire year will also be better than working as the #3 or Scout team QB

I think People are really overlooking this kid, he is a damn good talent and Weis had the faith in him to be the #2 and get the #2 reps

At the very least that should tell you he has an equal shot with the others if not a leg up
 
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