Who do you want to be 07 QB?

[Fighting_Irish9]

There is a big difference between not putting someone in to hand the ball off in mop-up duty and "sitting" him.

We blew some teams out, he could have put them in to throw the ball...and not "sat" them....

But he didn't...

Are you saying he lied when he said he doesn't redshirt, and the best kids will play

 

[Satans Little Helper]

True, but as he as stated, he won't sit someone, just so they have a 5th year,,,if it works out that way...so be it...

Jones and Frazer weren't sat on purpose, they were beat out

by a guy with one more year in the system. sharpley does not have any advantage this year.

 

[kjones]

All discussion about 5th year aside, does anyone think the QB position already belongs to Sharpley? He had the back up job, no arguments, but this is a new year. I'd be surprised if anyone really thought that it wasn't an open tryout to see who is best. And Frazer and Jones had the experience of running the scout team and the wisdom of listening to the first team lessons (in alternating weeks). They'll have a very good shot at getting the spot. I'm sorry to most of you, but I just can't see Clausen getting the start this year. I'm not sold on Sharpley either, but he played GREAT in last years BG game, and he has just as much chance as anyone. Weis will go by what he sees, not like us emotional fans.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

We blew some teams out, he could have put them in to throw the ball...and not "sat" them....

But he didn't...

Are you saying he lied when he said he doesn't redshirt, and the best kids will play

you are missing the point. having to decide who will hand the ball off in garbage time is not as hard a choice compared to who will i put in on a 3rd and goal 4 yards out down by 6. Sorry, not the same thing. CW says only what he needs to say.

 

[Clausen2Kamara]

he was # 2 becuase he had no other options and for mop up duty, Sharpley made the best goat preserving the other two Qbs 5th years.

Bravo! Bravo! Sharpley was #2 simply because he understood the system better, it wasn't based on skill IMO. This year is a whole other story with a year under the belts of DJ and ZF.
Mark my words. Sharpley will be playing baseball full time next year.

 

[ndirish302000]

i nominate myself as QB in 07

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

you are missing the point. having to decide who will hand the ball off in garbage time is not as hard a choice compared to who will i put in on a 3rd and goal 4 yards out down by 6. Sorry, not the same thing. CW says only what he needs to say.

The #2 QB gets the reps of the #2 QB in practice, they get the film study, the attention from the coaches etc etc etc.....Jones and Frazer were delagated to working with the scout team....

That is the importance of Being #2....

With that I am out

 

[weisbankaccount]

I could have sworn Weis has said many times he isn't interested in "preserving 5th years" as its his job to get them out in 4....

I don't buy what you are saying at all, IF weis is a man of his word, the best players would play, Sharpley played

Hes also not an idiot.....why would you play an underclassmen in a 31-10 game to give 3 handoffs when you might need him as a 5th year senior in a starting role?

There is a line between being stupid and being a "man of your word"

 

[SillyIrish]

Sharply is not starting next year hands down and playing some garbage time doesn't make you the second best quarterback on the team. As said above what type of valuable experience did he gain by handing the ball off a few times a game, nothing.

 

[irishfan81]

Jimmy Clausen, Jimmy Clausen Next Great Irish Qb Lead Us To 2 National Titles And End This Heisman Streak By Becoming One Soon. Jimmy Is The Man.

 

[tgolden]

whoever is able to win the most football games. I don't really care. I suppose I'd lean towards Jones for now though.

 

[FleaFlicker]

We blew some teams out, he could have put them in to throw the ball...and not "sat" them....

But he didn't...

Are you saying he lied when he said he doesn't redshirt, and the best kids will play

Typically when a coach says that, he means they will play meaningful minutes. I have no doubt that he will play the best guy for the job... but clearly Jones or Sharpley were not the best guy for the QB job, Quinn was. Just like Aldridge was used in REAL situations this year, not just mop up time. If Weis genuinely would have needed to use a QB, like if Quinn got injured, I tend to think it wouldn't necessarily be Sharpley.

 

[onenybrother]

If Clausen some in and get the job, Frazier might transfer.

 

[irishfan]

It's got to be Clausen. No way will Sharpley get the starting spot, because he isn't too mobile, and clearly does not have the same skill as 4 stars Frazer and Jones, or 5 star Clausen. I know that Frazer and Jones have a year of experience over Clausen, but I'm guessing that Clausen is studying that playbook as I type this.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I think if Jimmy can come in and be as productive as McCoy was this year than he should most likley get the nod, if not I would like to see Jones, good arm and mobil

Don't forget that McCoy was a redshirt-freshman, not a true frosh. Even a year on the bench gives a huge advantage of learning the system over the others.

 

[jboxer562]

I voted for Clausen... look at his H.S. Record, the guy knows how to flat out win.

Example: Mike Teel at Rutgers, his H.S. record was very similar to Clausen's and look at his W-L record down at RU.

 

[jboxer562]

lol yes i know that was irrelevant

 

[IrishRamMan10]

clausen jsut took the lead in the vote... very suprsing since he is a freshman and is just learning the system (as far as I know).

 

[southbendkid]

Jones is a dual threat and Clausen is a pro style, i think Clausen fits into the system better and will win us more games.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Jones is a dual threat and Clausen is a pro style, i think Clausen fits into the system better and will win us more games.

You do understand that a Dual threat is a kid that can play in a Pro-Style, AND has the ability to run if the play breaks down right?

Dual threat doesn't mean the player is an average passer but good runner...

Jones may be just as good in a pro-style offense throwing the ball as Clausen AND bring the ability to run also....

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

I voted for Clausen... look at his H.S. Record, the guy knows how to flat out win.

Example: Mike Teel at Rutgers, his H.S. record was very similar to Clausen's and look at his W-L record down at RU.

Well my reservations on Clausen are pretty simple

#1 the way he behaved with the Stretch Limo's etc....
#2 he plays in a very weak football division, and his school had 10x the talent anyone they played
#3 he will be 20 as a Freshman, this means he has been playing kids 2-3 years younger than him...(heck Stovall was 20 as a Senior)

He may be great, but I'm not holding my breathe he lives up to the hype....I'm focused on the 3 good QB's we have in Sharpley, Jones, and Frazer.....I don't expect a thing from Clausen for 2-3 years

 

[GoshenGipper]

The strech limo wasn't that big of a deal. His announcement was a special day, and he rode to the CFB HoF in a limo with a large number his friends and family. He couldn't announce on campus because it would've been a violation of NCAA policy, and since they were in SB it's not like JC, his family, or his friends all had their cars in the hotel parking lot. Plus he was trying to help draw attention to ND's recruiting class to help with future recruits. No one would have really given him a hard time about it if he was going to USC. As far as the age thing goes if you checked around you would fnd that's a lot more common than you think. I know of many kids, several wich I played HS football with, where their parents waited an extra year to enroll them in school to try to give them an extra edge in sports. Plus you also have many kids that were held back a year in grade school, or went to readiness (a class in between kindergarten and 1st grade). Most kids are already 19 or close to it during their freshman years in college anyway.

 

[irish4ever]

The best one

Ditto!!!

 

[bmf175]

Which shows, at most, that Sharpley was the best player LAST YEAR. What people are arguing -- and note that I don't have a horse in this race -- is that Jones, Frazier, and Clausen have more talent, and that with another year to develop they might be better than Sharpley. But again, I haven't seen any of them play so I have no concrete opinions to offer ...

Just dont get it. Why is there such hatred for Sharpley? If Sharpley was the best player last year I dont see why he would just fall off the face of the earth from the bowl game to spring training, it doesnt make sense.
I think as of NOW it is Sharpley's spot to lose. He wasnt 2nd string to keep from using up years of elegibility for the other QBs. In that case Prince and DJ would have never seen the field, so that is an ignorant theory.
Remember Sharpley had the same credentials as the other QBs coming out of HS (maybe not JC). He couldnt play in the Army allstar game because of Michigans state rules, but he was invited and would have started.

And dont forget that when Willingham was fired he stayed on and helped keep the recruits together he was a great leader in that recruiting class....WEIS' first class!!! Weis could have revoked his scholarship but he didnt!!!!!

 

[johnnd05]

Just dont get it. Why is there such hatred for Sharpley? If Sharpley was the best player last year I dont see why he would just fall off the face of the earth from the bowl game to spring training, it doesnt make sense.
I think as of NOW it is Sharpley's spot to lose. He wasnt 2nd string to keep from using up years of elegibility for the other QBs. In that case Prince and DJ would have never seen the field, so that is an ignorant theory.
Remember Sharpley had the same credentials as the other QBs coming out of HS (maybe not JC). He couldnt play in the Army allstar game because of Michigans state rules, but he was invited and would have started.

And dont forget that when Willingham was fired he stayed on and helped keep the recruits together he was a great leader in that recruiting class....WEIS' first class!!! Weis could have revoked his scholarship but he didnt!!!!!

Hey man, calm down and read my post. All that I was doing was correcting the bullshit reasoning that since Sharpley came in during garbage time this past year, it follows that he'll be the starter next year. As I said, I really don't know anything about the talent levels of any of these guys and I don't have an opinion on who should be starting. All I was doing was pointing out where someone's train of argument was bogus.

 

[jiggafini19]

Remember Sharpley had the same credentials as the other QBs coming out of HS (maybe not JC).

Maybe not JC? No maybe there. It is a certainty.

Sharpley was rated outside of the top 10 QBs in the nation that year. Rivals had him #12 at three stars (Dirty Sanchez was #1, Colt McCoy was #15) Therefore, coming out of HS, the other three guys were rated higher than him during their respective senior seasons. Jones and Frazer were rated among the likes of Tebow, Stafford and Mustain...all of whom saw time this year on the field.

Let us also recall that Wolke was our #2 guy last year and he transferred. Sharpley went up against two true freshmen and beat them out. He never beat out Wolke, so we'll never know if he would have been third this year or not.

Factor into this equation BASEBALL. Sharpley will battle for a starting job AND be playing baseball. This is rather concerning to me that his full undivided attention will not be on football. Save the Samardizja arguments. He wasn't competing for the starting QB spot in an offense that is centered around the QB as Weis has it.

 

[FleaFlicker]

You do understand that a Dual threat is a kid that can play in a Pro-Style, AND has the ability to run if the play breaks down right?

Dual threat doesn't mean the player is an average passer but good runner...

Jones may be just as good in a pro-style offense throwing the ball as Clausen AND bring the ability to run also....

Although you are right that a dual-threat doesn't mean he is bad at anything... If you look at the history of past dual-threat QB's. Vick, Young, etc... they typically aren't as good pro-style passers as the standard drop-back, don't run, QB's. So though you are correct, history shows us that it is likely he wouldn't be as proficient a passer as someone who is a typical drop-back only passer.

And in seeing his tape, he is somewhat accurate, but I wouldn't put him on par or very close to Claussen. So it seems a fair assessment.

 

[FleaFlicker]

Well my reservations on Clausen are pretty simple

#1 the way he behaved with the Stretch Limo's etc....
#2 he plays in a very weak football division, and his school had 10x the talent anyone they played
#3 he will be 20 as a Freshman, this means he has been playing kids 2-3 years younger than him...(heck Stovall was 20 as a Senior)

He may be great, but I'm not holding my breathe he lives up to the hype....I'm focused on the 3 good QB's we have in Sharpley, Jones, and Frazer.....I don't expect a thing from Clausen for 2-3 years

I don't know who should start, but I think some of this stuff can be dispelled.

1. I'm not sure what a stretch limo has to do with playing ability. And if you've seen him in interviews, he doesn't seem very cocky at all. Weis won't pamper the guy, he has never pampered a QB. The attitude thing will be a non-factor.

2. At one point last year they played a football team (I think Bonaventure) that was ranked #18 in the country. They beat them something like 54-18, it wasn't remotely close, and CLaussen had a great game. But you are right that he had amazing talent around him, which definitely helped him win and boosted his numbers.

3. He was an amazing passer when he was a Sophomore in high school also, so I'm not sure what his age proves at all. If anything, it should be an advantage. Is a senior college QB typically better than a Freshman college QB? It sure seems so. They have more time to develop both physically and mentally. Claussen being the age that he is is not that big a deal. He was dominating when guys were older than him in high school, and he dominated when they were younger.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Although you are right that a dual-threat doesn't mean he is bad at anything... If you look at the history of past dual-threat QB's. Vick, Young, etc... they typically aren't as good pro-style passers as the standard drop-back, don't run, QB's. So though you are correct, history shows us that it is likely he wouldn't be as proficient a passer as someone who is a typical drop-back only passer.

And in seeing his tape, he is somewhat accurate, but I wouldn't put him on par or very close to Claussen. So it seems a fair assessment.

Guys like Troy Smith and Vince Young were dual theats and they passed the ball just fine....

 

[marv81s]

yeah, troy had a great passing game in the BCS championship game, and Vince's running won Texas the national title.