Pat Haden Comments

jiggafini19

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* Pat Haden has shown very few lapses in judgment over the years doing the color commentary for NBC. The comment he made regarding the unique positioning of Reggie Bush and the USC trainer reflected what many of us were thinking, but it was inexcusable to comment on it like he did.

However, Haden is taking some heat for what he said during the ND-Tennessee game, as some are comparing his comments on Tom Zbikowski’s and Jeff Samardzija’s speed to the comments made by Fisher DeBerry and Joe Paterno recently regarding the athletic differences among the races. That is a mistake.

A Rhodes’ Scholar, Haden does not need anyone to defend him, but I feel the need to present another side. Is it possible to call a white athlete “deceptively fast,” like Haden called Samardzija, without people finishing the sentence in their heads with “for a white guy?” If somebody described a 6-foot-5, lanky baseball pitcher, regardless of race, would that make you conjure up images of the guy blowing by defensive backs? Probably not, which is why Samardzija can be called deceptively fast? That assessment can be made based on his build, not his race.

As for Haden characterizing Zbikowski’s speed as adequate, it must be put into reality then context. Tom is not that fast, especially when compared to other safeties across the nation. He is fast, but not faster than an average safety. As for the context, Haden was using his description of Zibikowski’s speed to make his main point, which was that it is not just Zbikowski’s speed, but his knack for taking the best route to the end zone while breaking tackles along the way, that make him a great punt returner.
 

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I must have missed this. Anyone heard anything else about this?

I don't like Haden and never have. Hammond is alright. Maybe this could signal a change for next year?
 

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Haden I dont really care for, but the jack-ass that does the play by play is who bothers me. Half the time he is wrong in what he says. I dont know his name, but he sucks.
 
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Ok first, the play by play guy(Hammond) doesn't suck. Second i hate this race crap like i have said before. He never said anything about blacks or whites he said “deceptively fast" how is that racist? I don't get it. I don't think he is fast when you look at him. He is 6'5", i don't know a lot of fast 6'5guys. So i am racist now or what? So who ever thinks this is racist shut up.
 

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Haden definitely needs to go. Haden seems to despise ND - I can hardly listen to him when I watch a game. He's not overtly biased, but everything seems slanted against the Blue & Gold...ie - the comments re: Samardjiza & Tommy Z.

I'm surprised NBC, being the ND Network it is, doesn't have someone more supportive of the school & program as their color commentator.

Time to start....www.firepathaden.com!!!


PS My opinion of the Rhodes Scholarship program took a huge hit today if the comment above about Haden being a recipient is true - he gotta be the dumbest start man that ever lived. ;)
 
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jiggafini19 said:
I must have missed this. Anyone heard anything else about this?

I don't like Haden and never have. Hammond is alright. Maybe this could signal a change for next year?
This whole subject is stupid. If anyone can conjure up the question of "race" because Haden used the phrase "deceptively fast" it is done for one reason only and that is to stir the pot. It is getting so that commentators are afraid to say anything because someone is ready with the "race" card. I am not a Haden fan but to try to pin this on him is character assasination.

And another thing--Sam is "deceptively fast" and Z's speed is only "adequate"
 

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That's why we all should mute the TV and listen to Tony Roberts and Alan Pinkett. They're great!

IMO, I've NEVER had a problem with Haden and think that he's been more than fair, esp. since he's a "Spoiled Child". Hammond should stick to Horse Racing.

REMEMBER, we could STILL have that @$$HOLE Chris Collinsworth, now there was a pr!ck.
 

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Best tandem I ever heard call an ND game was the '93 Florida State game of Charlie Jones and Todd Christenson.
 

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KMac151993 said:
Best tandem I ever heard call an ND game was the '93 Florida State game of Charlie Jones and Todd Christenson.

Absolutely correct. I have that game on tape and marvel at the job they did.

I am contemplating getting the satellite radio to get Pinkett and Roberts.
 
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Domer95 said:
IMO, I've NEVER had a problem with Haden and think that he's been more than fair, esp. since he's a "Spoiled Child". Hammond should stick to Horse Racing.

REMEMBER, we could STILL have that @$$HOLE Chris Collinsworth, now there was a pr!ck.

You are right there! Although Haden did go to SC he was very close to going to Notre Dame, in fact his mother wanted him to go to Notre Dame. Haden went to Bishop Amant High School, a Catholic school in Southern Ca. Unfortunately Haden's best friend in high school was John McKay's son, which is why Haden eneded up at SC. Although Haden does have a bias towards SC he is still partial to Notre Dame.
 

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Tyrone Davieham said:
They both suck. And why does Tom Hammond look more and more like one of the Golden Girls every year?


Yeah, was he a guess star on "Nip/Tuck"?????????
 

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Only problem with listen to radio and watching the game is the time delay.My experience-over the air radio is slightly ahead of TV and satellite is way behind. There is a device out there - forget the name- that will synch radio and tv.

I love Tony Roberts. He's a homer but not too much of one. He'll critize ND when warranted. Last year he caught on to the Ty tendency of Samardzija and Holiday split to either side equalled run every time. His calls went something like this. "Samardzija split left, Holiday split right. This will be a running play. Ryan Grant off tackle. He'll lose two yards."

You could hear the frustration in his voice last week as the Vols tied up the game.
 

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Tyrone Davieham said:
They both suck. And why does Tom Hammond look more and more like one of the Golden Girls every year?

This was awesome. A very funny post.

The Niptuck reply was also good.

Day if off to a great start for the laugh. LOL
 

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2 Reasons to buy Sirius Satellite Radio

#1- Tony Roberts

#2- Howard Stern
 
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