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TexasDomer

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Reading all these posts about the new DC and defensive schemes, I have questions to ask the more learned members of this august forum:

a. What are the advantages to a 3-4 over a 4-3? I'm especially concerned given our lack of depth at LB as well as along the DL, and our lack of a "true" nose guard.

b. What is the difference between Tampa 2 and Cover 2? Given the fact that Minter ran cover 2 (and was excoriated in this forum for it), and I remember Weis specifically saying we were in Tampa 2 in 2005 vs. USC on 4th and 9, I really don't know the difference, or why Tampa 2 is better than Cover 2.

The answer cannot be elusive. Tell me, sensei.
 
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ND4life

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i believe tampa 2 and cover 2 are the same thing. it was just coined Tampa 2 because it was the defense that Dungy ran when he was the DC/HC at Tampa Bay and basically perfected the scheme.

as for the 3-4 to 4-3 question. i believe each scheme has its perks you just have to EXECUTE. we couldnt execute any of our blitzes the last 2 years and get any pressure using the 4-3 last year (maybe thats why Minter is gone). but i dont think we have the personnel to go to the 3-4 (maybe if we got donald and martin).

correct me if im wrong but didnt the JETS use the 3-4 scheme this year?

they have a good thread started about this on DD....
 
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TexasDomer

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ND4L,

i believe each scheme has its perks you just have to EXECUTE

That's where I'm coming from. We can't depend on scheme alone. The best scheme often doesn't survive past the snap. It felt this year and last that the team was thinking too much and not reacting or forcing the play enough.
 

OffensiveAssassin

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Tampa 2 v Cover 2

Tampa 2 v Cover 2

I believe the difference between tampa 2 and cover 2 is that in tampa 2, the MLB drops back to safety levels (15+ yds) to cover the middle of the field. This leaves 2 OLB's to cover the box. In the cover 2, only the safeties are back.
 
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luckofirish8

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I think the main reason people (myself included) were on Minter for the Cover 2 was the fact that the players were beat deep in it for long passes (end of first half and Brazell TD). This should not happen in a Cover 2 or Tampa 2. The safeties should play as far back as needed so that they don't get bet deep.

Either Minter did a poor job of coaching the kids on fundamentals of the Cover 2 defense, or the players just didn't execute the defense properly. Probably some combination of both led to the long balls.

ND4L
The J-E-T-S Jets, Jets, Jets did in fact use a 3-4 defense this season.
 

Jason Pham

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The strength of the 3-4 is its ability to confuse the quarterback during passing plays. Most teams generate a pass rush by sending at least 4 defensive men at the quarterback. In a standard 4-3 alignment, these 4 rushers are usually the 4 down linemen. But in a 3-4, the fourth rusher is a linebacker. Since there are 4 linebackers, the fourth potential rusher can come from a variety of spots on the field, thus influencing and sometimes confusing the quarterback's pre-snap defensive read.

The 4-3 is widely used because of its balance in stopping both runs and passes as well as being personnel-friendly since smaller players can be used effectively along the defensive line while the 3-4 is much more personnel specific.

A drawback of the 3-4 is that without a fourth lineman to take on the offensive blockers and close the running lane, both the defensive linemen and the linebackers can be overwhelmed by blocking schemes in the running game; thus a 3-4 defense requires a large and strong nose tackle able to routinely tie up 2 or more blockers, freeing the middle linebackers to make the tackle. The 3-4 linebackers must be very athletic and strong enough to shed blocks by fullbacks, tight ends, and offensive linemen to get to the running back.

In traditional Cover 2 schemes the free safety and strong safety have deep responsibilities, each guarding half of the field leaving the linebackers and cornerbacks in man to man or zone underneath coverage. Teams that play Cover 2 shells usually ascribe to the "bend-but-don't-break" philosophy, preferring to keep offensive players in front of them for short gains while limiting long passes. The main weakness of the Cover 2 shell occurs in the middle of the field between the safeties. The safeties attempt to gain width upon the snap of the ball to cover any long passes to quick wide receivers down the sideline. This movement creates a natural hole between the safeties that can be attacked. By sending a receiver (usually a tight end) into the hole, the offense forces the safety to make a decision: play the vulnerable hole in the middle of the field or help out on the wide receiver. The quarterback reads the safety's decision and decides on the best matchup (which mismatch is better--TE vs S or WR vs CB).

Tampa 2 blends the Cover 2 and Cover 3 defenses by having two defensives backs, usually the safeties, in deep coverage on either side of the field, and a middle linebacker covering the medium to deep middle. Its benefit over the Cover 2 is that the sidelines and middle of the field are better protected against deep threats, with the drawback being a larger open area in the short middle of the field underneath the middle linebacker. Its benefit over the Cover 3 is that it only dedicates two defensive backs to deep coverage rather than three, allowing for better protection against short outside routes.
 

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No problem! I sit there half of my day letting NCAAF 07 take my life over, I might as well know something about the plays I'm calling.
 

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Yep, but not always as Notre Dame I usually chose less skilled teams and I also like to choose a a fast qb, because I run the option alot.
 
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