Less Impressed w/ Weis by the day
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How do I change my name?
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i just spent 5k in changing it to "normal guy" for him.
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I'm actually not sure if you can change your name. Nor am I sure if there is a moderator around anymore who can. Don't worry about it now.
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amen scoop and thats as it should be...be proud of who you are don't hide it...I will call a skunkbear out in a heartbeat...actually if it weren't for the skunkbears I wouldn't have anyone to hate I could only dislike severely...lol
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As I stated before ... don't act like an idiot!
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Wow, Im dubbed a Ty guy now......hilarious considering the epic battles Ive engaged in for 2 years with FI9 over that guy, being called racist at one point.
Boy, you sure got me pegged.
I think there are Notre Dame fans here and Charlie Weis droids who think the guy never made a mistake in his life.
I think in the presser Weis himself said "I need to do a better job" but hey, what does he know?
Boy, you sure got me pegged.
I think there are Notre Dame fans here and Charlie Weis droids who think the guy never made a mistake in his life.
I think in the presser Weis himself said "I need to do a better job" but hey, what does he know?
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I still think Weis is doing a good job and am willing to be patient for him to get results (In 4 years we should be competitive with everybody).
However that doesn't mean that I think he is throwing a perfect game. Below is a list of the things that I am not as pleased about.
1. I think he milked his alma mater for a fat contract that he has lived up to. Of course, this may have simply been offered up to him. And only an idiot would have walked away from that kind of money and that kind of contract. But there is part of me that thinks he let the NFL rumors persist in order to financially be set for life. Just an opinion not based on fact at all. But I feel like he milked ND and is being way overpaid for the results heis getting (which are very good, but not $3M per season and 10 year contreact good). Only a coach that has won a NC deserves the type of contract that Weis has.
2. The blowouts. Not all his fault as I don't think we have the horses. But I have always beena believer that excellent coaching can compensate for talent deficiencies. This has not rung true in our big games.
3. We aren't nasty. Again, not all his fault. Ty recruited players that don't play with attitude. This is tough to inject into a program any other way than recruiting attitude. But he was the one that promised it and we haven't even sniffed "nasty". We are still a "nice team".
4. Motivator. The one consistant theme thoughout 2006 was that our team came out flat in the first quarter of nearly every game. I think he should consult Holtz for some advice in this department.
5. High risk decision making. I think he has played it risky on 4th down because our defense as well as place kicker are just awful. So I think his risky 4th down decision making is not all his fault. But it is often better to punt and play defense and play for field position.
6. Staff. Again, he had to assemble a staff while coaching in the NFL. So he should be given some leeway here. But the defensive coaching does look shaky. What appeared to be a top notch staff is not looking as good 2 years later.
Some of these opinions can be backed up simply by looking at game film. Others are purely speculation. But those ae my knocks on Weis. Still happy we hired him, but that doesn't mean that he can't get better.
However that doesn't mean that I think he is throwing a perfect game. Below is a list of the things that I am not as pleased about.
1. I think he milked his alma mater for a fat contract that he has lived up to. Of course, this may have simply been offered up to him. And only an idiot would have walked away from that kind of money and that kind of contract. But there is part of me that thinks he let the NFL rumors persist in order to financially be set for life. Just an opinion not based on fact at all. But I feel like he milked ND and is being way overpaid for the results heis getting (which are very good, but not $3M per season and 10 year contreact good). Only a coach that has won a NC deserves the type of contract that Weis has.
2. The blowouts. Not all his fault as I don't think we have the horses. But I have always beena believer that excellent coaching can compensate for talent deficiencies. This has not rung true in our big games.
3. We aren't nasty. Again, not all his fault. Ty recruited players that don't play with attitude. This is tough to inject into a program any other way than recruiting attitude. But he was the one that promised it and we haven't even sniffed "nasty". We are still a "nice team".
4. Motivator. The one consistant theme thoughout 2006 was that our team came out flat in the first quarter of nearly every game. I think he should consult Holtz for some advice in this department.
5. High risk decision making. I think he has played it risky on 4th down because our defense as well as place kicker are just awful. So I think his risky 4th down decision making is not all his fault. But it is often better to punt and play defense and play for field position.
6. Staff. Again, he had to assemble a staff while coaching in the NFL. So he should be given some leeway here. But the defensive coaching does look shaky. What appeared to be a top notch staff is not looking as good 2 years later.
Some of these opinions can be backed up simply by looking at game film. Others are purely speculation. But those ae my knocks on Weis. Still happy we hired him, but that doesn't mean that he can't get better.
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I don't consider myself a Weiss "droid", but let me point out something...
It has been reported that Urban Meyer took the Florida job because he said he could win faster there...
I think that alone tells us that while we have talent on our team, we do not have much elite talent (see other posts where they show the rankings of our recruits vs other elite teams -this years sophs thru seniors)...once again it all comes down to the players on the field...I still am withholding final Judgement on CW until at least the end of his 4th or 5th year (and yes, that is giving him a break vs Ty, but look at the recruits CW has lined up vs Ty's and while not all work out, it does tend to be an indicator...if CW can't get top 5 finishes and in the NC hunt as those guys play a few years in the system, then CW will have major problems keeping people off his back...
People can go ahead and complain, its their right, but that's like yelling at the guy running a marathon who sarts at the back of the horde of runners when he only reaches the top third after the first mile...
It has been reported that Urban Meyer took the Florida job because he said he could win faster there...
I think that alone tells us that while we have talent on our team, we do not have much elite talent (see other posts where they show the rankings of our recruits vs other elite teams -this years sophs thru seniors)...once again it all comes down to the players on the field...I still am withholding final Judgement on CW until at least the end of his 4th or 5th year (and yes, that is giving him a break vs Ty, but look at the recruits CW has lined up vs Ty's and while not all work out, it does tend to be an indicator...if CW can't get top 5 finishes and in the NC hunt as those guys play a few years in the system, then CW will have major problems keeping people off his back...
People can go ahead and complain, its their right, but that's like yelling at the guy running a marathon who sarts at the back of the horde of runners when he only reaches the top third after the first mile...
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I could care less if Ty got 1 year or 10. Why is it always comparing years to Ty? what about Davie? Holtz? This black/white equality/inequality crap is ridiculous. Ty got fired because the team was receding and recruiting classes were in the 40 range - basically effecting ND 3-4 years down the road, as here we are this coming year with either 5th yr seniors or sophmores.
This being said, Weis likes to brag on the "9 first day draft picks" on this team as he points out yet when we lose a game by 20+ points all Weis' apologists run around saying he doesnt have the talent.
I agree to a certain degree and then I draw the line. For example, the secondary looks like it is 5 steps behind every receiver in every game. Yet I see 4.5, 4.4 etc etc next to these guys names????
The offensive line gave up 30+ sacks this year, yet I see basically 4 of the 5 on NFL boards.....the 5th guy being a mega prospect freshman starter.
So wtf gives?
Heres my honest assesment of what I see when ND plays a big game.
1. Quinn comes out too jacked up, missing guys badly with overthrows. He takes a quarter to get going, the scores after 1 quarter vs the 3 bigs was already 10+ deficit.
2. I see very little changes after halftime no matter the score, its still draw, bubble screen, slant. We have a top 5 NFL QB and a top 20 NFL receiver, along with a 5 year guy who had 15 tds, one of the best TEs in the country and how many passes does Quinn throw that are over 20 yards?
3. The defense was so inept at covering the pass that it was like watching a 13 week prevent defense. Guys had to stay 10 yards off the ball, Zbikowski was never there for help defense. It was a sad spectacle.
4. The kicking game was so bad, it was basically 4 down territory from the opp 40 - 10 yard line. Thats more undue pressure on the offense.
5. the punter, Price, could kick a ball 60 yards all day long but couldnt pin anybody inside the 10 if you bribbed him to. the defense couldve benefitted from some of this.
6. Special teams - we got 1 return by Zbikowski against North Carolina (big whoop, wanna fight about it?) and other than that - nothing. This was always a Holtz staple - getting punt/kickoff TDs - a handful per season. Huge boost to the team and takes pressure of the offense. We gave up a lot of big kick returns this year.
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Yes, Weis has a total rebuild at ND where as Urban simply needed to go infuse some good coaching and good systems. Trust me, I am still a Weis fan. I still believe he can get the job done. I just happen to think he has some areas that he can improve on and I also think he is grossly overpaid.
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To prove we're not all droids: I've complained about this as well.
I've noticed adjustments. They happen. The hard part about throwing more than 20 yards downfield is having time to do it. I honestly think the OL will improve over the next couple seasons.
This is apparently being addressed. There's too much smoke at this point for there not to be some fire.
The kicking game is being addressed as well. As are your next two points. Though I think Price did a nice job of pinning them inside the twenty. He really wasn't given as many opportunities. They often went for it from that range.
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If its being addressed then its a good thing. it means there is a problem and it needed to be corrected.
One of my worries was that Weis seems stubborn but if hes firing these coaches then it really shows that he is a dynamic coach and can adapt.
One of my worries was that Weis seems stubborn but if hes firing these coaches then it really shows that he is a dynamic coach and can adapt.
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I wouldn't consider myself weis anything or notre dame anything either if i couldn't spell charlie's name correctly
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If you didn't think he could adapt, than you probably didn't see much of him at NE. His "system" changed drastically from year to year based on the available personnel. Watch some Pats tape pre-Corey Dillon and post-Corey Dillon.
My guess is what he did the last two years is what he felt this group was most able to do. We'll see things mixed up as new blood hits campus.
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Greenjerseys07...I am calling you crazy. USC is gonna kill us again next year making it 6 years in a row. Weis is Carroll's bitch until he proves otherwise.
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Actually, ND is Carroll's bitch, it goes back further than Weis. Sad but true.
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That's a dumb thing to say, IMO.
Switch things and give Carroll ND's team, and Weis USC's team.
I think Weis beats Carrol just as easily, and probably even harder last year. You can't just analyze Coach A and Coach B when Coach A(Carroll) has been coaching USC for 6 years and Coach B(Weis) has been there for 2 years and with a very empty well aside from 1 class.
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Really, I was just joking. But I do think USC is gonna kill us again next year and I do look for Weis to get this monkey off our back soon.
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Well, lets see......USC will be a preseason #1 and ND will be a fringe top 25....although I think ultimately next years team will look better than this years team. I see next year as another '04. Low expectations because nobody really knows who will step up and be the man.
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I wouldn't consider myself weis anything or notre dame anything either if i couldn't spell charlie's name correctly
Pardonn mee forr holdingg downn thee keyy forr slightyy too longg
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I'm not less impressed by him yet, as In my opinion as many know...he really hasn't done anything to impress me...
So we didn't get upset by bad teams under him (ignoring the loss at home to a sub .500 MSU team as most do). But I'm not going to be impressed with a stat like that as he was left a very veteran and talented team. Sure it had some depth holes, but his first 2 years he had the players and talent to do what he did....so going 1-5 against the top 25 (0-5 against the top 23) didn't exactly create any impression that he was great....nor was there any need to be impressed by him
Many are impressed by his Super Bowl rings, I would be too if he was our Offensive cordinator as that was his job when he won them, he did not win them as a Head coach...
He has done a good job of recruiting, but lets face it, he has tons of playing time to offer, a brand new multi million dollar athletic facility to show off, and we are ND....and his first class was mostly 3 stars, this class is an improvement over last years, but we aren't geting the DT's and LB's we NEED....
So he gets a B on recruiting from me....
The guy has done an ok job in my opinion....not bad, but nothing special....I think our future looks bright....but we need some cordinators BADLY as WEis is proving he knows little to nothing about defense
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I don't understand this comment!? How can have he done such a good job from an offensive standpoint (@ New England and 2 yrs. at ND) without knowing SOMETHING about defense?!? Is he just a lucky guesser on which offensive play to call in order to gain yards and score touchdowns? I would believe he knows a helluva a lot more about "D" than what you give him credit for.
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Really good point, any coach in any football program must be a football expert - period. You dont scheme an offense based on what you want to do and thats that, its a dynamic gameplan that changes with the way the defense is playing you so obviously you have to know as much about the D as you do the O to be a offensive coordinator.
However, I saw guys on offense that were nobodies going into last year that are now household names. I didnt see any of this on defense. granted defense isnt as glamorous, but the defense actually got worse this year.
Last year ND wasnt blown out at all. Even the Fiesta Bowl was in doubt with 4 minutes left. This year we were never in the games against big time teams, sans the first half of LSU.
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So you would be OK with our next defensive coordinator being from the offensive side of the ball? Maybe take an offensive coordiantor from LSU, USC, Louisville etc and making him our defensive coordinator?
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nah that would never work. then we would have WRs staring back at the qb expecting zone coverage and our OL would be doing stunts instead of pulls.:smilewink
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No, don't put words in my mouth. All I'm saying is that a good offensive coordinator (or head coach as in Charlie's case w/ his offense mindset) knows a lot about defense. Plain and simple! This would be vice versa for a GOOD defensive coordinator. Defense is not Charlie's forte, but he has to have a lot of knowledge about what goes on from the defensive side of the ball! That goes with any GOOD offensive coordinator .... they know alot about defenses ... not saying they would be good defensive coordinators.
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Let's call an orange, an orange. He is 0-5 against the top 5 teams. Not just top 23. USC, UM, and LSU this year all finished in the top 5, OSU and USC finished in the top 5 last year.
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That doesn't make any sense, man. He isn't saying CW is a defensive coordinator, he is saying he has a knowledge of defense, obviously not as wide a knowledge of offense, but he knows what he is talking about. The guy can't be both frigging coordinators AND the HC< it is impossible, he just needs to hire someone who can take FULL controll of the defense, and a guy that Weis has a lot of trust in.
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knowing how to beat a defense is not the same as knowing how to stop an offense...
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