Less Impressed w/ Weis by the day

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WBA,i'm not going to put my signature on everything you have to say,but for those of you that want to question his integrity of being a long time fan then I'll adorse him on that.The guy knows what he is talking about,but has let that dwarte guy get into his head on what to post and what not to.
Come on guy,please us a little tact next time.you know that better days are ahead.Weis is a grad,he won't let this continue and he'll work day and night to make changes.He will learn the college system.
A little criticism and concern are alright,but...

you 2 chumps that aren't even notre dame fans just love this thread don't you?well both of you can go screw yourselves.You guys don't really have any business being here.Don't you have your favorite teams forum boards to hang out at?I don't go over to volnation and make fun of ainge because he didn't turn out to be all that.
 
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I dont know what the big deal is - I didnt say anything that wasnt true. I also get sick of seeing fans here find the peanuts in the turd after all these ass whippings. Weis isnt above criticism - hey, when Willingham was 8-0 every one of you to a man was on Ty's nuts, including me. Then he went bad and people started looking at things objectively- not through the "return to glory" colored glasses.

Im not giving Weis any more of a free pass after this year. Its 2 years in now. I dont expect some rebuilding BS next year - there are enough 5th year guys along with his guys coming up now to avoid any rebuild.

Quinn was a big nothing going into last year, I expect the next guy to step up and make the plays. Samardzija was a nothing too going into last year. Who was Carlson before this year?

Here are my concerns:

The defense hasnt improved at all, matter of fact, Id say it has regressed.

The offense has been figured out - good teams basically had them figured out. Quinn put up big numbers vs weak teams and did nothing vs good teams. His stats ultimately looked ok in some games because he threw 80% of the time in the second half.

Kicking? ugh

Special teams was a big nothing this year, no big returns and they gave up plenty of big returns.
 
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The fake punt was a terrible call because of these reasons:

1. It was the first drive of the damn game.
2. ND was deep in ND territory - try that around the 50 for gods sake.
3. It was 4th and 4 - not 4th and 1.
4. LSU outscored opps 122-20 in the 1st quarter this season, let them work for the damn points.
5. if it wouldve worked - youve got 1st and 10 at your own 30........so what?

So let me guess Tressel is not very impressive either because of what florida is doing to him its okay a loss is a loss doesn't matter by how much. We are becoming a better team I don't think were top ten yet but thats okay were getting better no need to Say Weis is a bum. Are you really a ND fan because you sound like a bandwagn fan to me.
 
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this is insane there is no juice just people who back the team. I guess I should apologize for being a fan, I am so sorry to stand up for a coach who has had one of the best starts in ND history. Plushe is getting better recuirts then we have in some years. I think there is no shame in standing up for a coach who has mad ND better.
 

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You guys are rediculous once again. He stated his opinion and because you don't like ti you get very angry and call him a troll. These boards are made for people to come and state their opinion. And guys like you, if you don't agree bash the and call them names and stuff like that. Have a little class fellas......
Shut the fuck up, you fucking troll. Virginia Tech sniffed their chance at a title, now they will wither and die in that division 2 basketball conference.
 

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this is insane there is no juice just people who back the team. I guess I should apologize for being a fan, I am so sorry to stand up for a coach who has had one of the best starts in ND history. Plushe is getting better recuirts then we have in some years. I think there is no shame in standing up for a coach who has mad ND better.

Standing up is one thing.........bashing someone and calling then a troll and to get the 'f' out for giving their opinion is REDICULOUS
 

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Shut the fuck up, you fucking troll. Virginia Tech sniffed their chance at a title, now they will wither and die in that division 2 basketball conference.

I assume your not a Notre Dame alumni...I expect more class from them.......
 
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brady you have 14 posts why not come in to the group and say something nice before you rock the boat that your in.
 

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Standing up is one thing.........bashing someone and calling then a troll and to get the 'f' out for giving their opinion is REDICULOUS
He is a troll fan from an ACC team. There are plenty of people who question plenty about this staff. I about threw my chair through the TV after the fake punt. I was pissed. It was a dumb call. I'm more than willing to call it that. But we don't have to sit here and take crap from trolls dressed as ND fans. We know there's work to do. But that doesn't change the fact that this is the best back to back seasons at ND since Lou was around.

Not to mention the Ty fans who thump their chests in vindication. How did he follow up his first season at ND? 10 wins? No. Try half that and getting beaten badly by a very bad Syracuse team.

Nobody is naive enough to think ND is all the way back. But we like the direction we're heading and we don't like to take shit from cowards who hide behind fake ND names and won't let us know for real which team they root for. The poster Brady Quinn is here for one reason and one reason only. To troll. That's why he didn't show up until after the Sugar Bowl.

So yes, I will call him a fucking troll.
 

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brady you have 14 posts why not come in to the group and say something nice before you rock the boat that your in.

Notre Dame is a great school with a great history, I truly believe it is good for College football when they are doing well because they have such a great backing.

I just disagree with what some of the people post on this forum and I immediately get called a "f**kin troll?"

At least some of you have a little class.......
 

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Notre Dame is a great school with a great history, I truly believe it is good for College football when they are doing well because they have such a great backing.

I just disagree with what some of the people post on this forum and I immediately get called a "f**kin troll?"

At least some of you have a little class.......
Because every one of your threads is a trolling thread trying to stir crap up. You try to hide it with some niceties and the name Brady Quinn, but we've seen enough of that crap to see through it. The true sign of a troll is to make accusations of drinking Kool-aid and not allowing a diffent opinion, when the truth is, ND fans here criticize aspects of the program every day.
 
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I'm really thrown off the "Worthless Fag Poster" under your username. It's unique, I'll give you that.
 

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I dont know what the big deal is - I didnt say anything that wasnt true. I also get sick of seeing fans here find the peanuts in the turd after all these ass whippings. Weis isnt above criticism - hey, when Willingham was 8-0 every one of you to a man was on Ty's nuts, including me. Then he went bad and people started looking at things objectively- not through the "return to glory" colored glasses.

Im not giving Weis any more of a free pass after this year. Its 2 years in now. I dont expect some rebuilding BS next year - there are enough 5th year guys along with his guys coming up now to avoid any rebuild.

Quinn was a big nothing going into last year, I expect the next guy to step up and make the plays. Samardzija was a nothing too going into last year. Who was Carlson before this year?

Here are my concerns:

The defense hasnt improved at all, matter of fact, Id say it has regressed.

The offense has been figured out - good teams basically had them figured out. Quinn put up big numbers vs weak teams and did nothing vs good teams. His stats ultimately looked ok in some games because he threw 80% of the time in the second half.

Kicking? ugh

Special teams was a big nothing this year, no big returns and they gave up plenty of big returns.

I agree w/ most of your points, but next year will truly be a rebuilding year. But be glad, b/c that's one more year away from Willingham's sorry excuse for a recruiting class. His 1st class was good (after the 2002 success via one of Davie's rare decent recruiting class) . But the next 2 turned out to be the equivalent of scholarship limitations after receiving probation, by the time Weis got here. What's left, 8, in the Sr class for next year? Next yr. JR class not that much better.

Tressel & OSU probably know how we (or the Irish players/coaches) feel right about now. They're finding out what superior speed on both sides of the ball will do to a good team. Until ND can get that same speed on BOTH sides of the ball, Weis will be forced to out-gameplan the elite opponents w/ some overachievers who are on the same page. Remember the 2002 recruiting class started their ND career going 5-6 and 6-6. The losing mentality had set in by then, so what Weis did was just short of a miracle.

Again, next year may be a rebuilding year, but I'm expecting to be pleasantly suprised. And you know the college f'ball world, press incl., won't be expecting much...so hopefully ND can continue beating the teams they're supposed to beat & start springing some upsets on the elite teams.
 

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Because every one of your threads is a trolling thread trying to stir crap up. You try to hide it with some niceties and the name Brady Quinn, but we've seen enough of that crap to see through it. The true sign of a troll is to make accusations of drinking Kool-aid and not allowing a diffent opinion, when the truth is, ND fans here criticize aspects of the program every day.

Believe what you will.....just giving my opinion.....
 
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[QUOTE=weisbankaccount;112454]Yeah, yeah, Im a "f'in idiot.[/QUOTE]

It's about time you came to your senses.
 
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Even Terry Bradshaw commented "if youre down 41-14 and throw a 1 yard pass, you might as well get the young guys in"

Of course on defense - same old story - get a reciever down field and air it out and youre sure to get yourself 2-3 50+ yard TDs against the ND defense.

The fake punt was as dumb a call as Ive seen. ....."you cant win a game in the first half but you can sure lose a game in the first half."

In 4 weeks prep, with an opponent everybody knew was better, there was NOTHING new in the ND arsenal. We ran on them in the first half at will - 2nd half Walker gets 3 yards after a 125 first half.

I would say, at this point, the only saving grace is the incoming recruit class, other than that, ND is far behind the elite teams, and Id even say far behind the boise's and Arkansas' and even maybe a BYU and any other passing team in the fringe top 20.

My comments on the original post and the general comments around Weis after 2 years:
-WB, quoting Bradshaw for his expertise??? the guys not the most erudite color guy on TV: screw that, Bradshaw is an idiot (if they had the Wonderlic when he was drafted, he would have probably beaten Vince's record)
-same old story for the defense: you're right, but WTF were you expecting??? Not like much was going to change in the secondary or pass rush in the last month (no free agent market in CFB)
-fake punt was too risky for my taste as well....but I do agree that it is definitely one of those things that is looked at in posterity (Carroll looked like an idiot going for it last year in the RB; if they get that yard they win the NC. Air Force and DeBerry were criticized for going for two against Tenn this year....because they lost. Boise St were 'gutsy' to go for two in OT in the Fiesta; but if they were stopped, Peterson looks like an IDIOT)
-What 'NEW' things were you looking for in a month's preparation that would have made a difference??? Water to wine?? Many of the people on here were predicting a BIG loss as soon as LSU were announced as the opponent.
-Your comment that ND is behind the elite teams.....I agree, but more importantly so does Weis.

I think that this last point is what is really instrumental. 2-3 years ago this team was losing to the likes of Pitt, Purdue, BC (2 years in a row), Syracuse, Oregon State, and MSU. In the last two years the only game of that 'mid' caliber that has resulted in a loss was MSU last year; granted there have been some close calls, but the 2004 team was a couple of plays away from being 5-6 or 4-7.

Also, the 2005 recruiting class was almost non-existent (ranked #40 per Rivals), the 2004 class was ranked #32 according to Rivals (and as noted many times much of that class is largely GONE), and the 2003 class was a respectable 12th. Now over the same time period the LSU classes have been (reverse chronology from 2005->2003) 22nd, 2nd, and 1st. Obviously looking at recruiting classes is an imperfect science (FSU have some good classes in that time period), but it is indicative of a talent gap.

This team has definitely moved forward, but other than the 'guy' on the wall near the stadium, there aren't enough miracles right now to make this team elite. This is going to take work, there are no quick fixes unfortunately. The big losses are unfortunate, but are more indicative of where this team is than last years close loss to SC due to HUGE positive energy (oh, and the long GRASS helped to).......
 
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Charlie dosen't have to prove his coaching ability to anyone. He has already done this on Sundays, Super Bowl Sundays. Having said that even idiots are entitled to opinions.
 
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Charlie dosen't have to prove his coaching ability to anyone. He has already done this on Sundays, Super Bowl Sundays. Having said that even idiots are entitled to opinions.


Actually, he does have to prove something because as I recall these were all won as a coordinator - a impressive accomplishment - yes. Doing it as a head coach is a different ball game, and doing it in college is a totally different ballgame.

People saying "he has nothing to prove" really baffle me. We lost to the 3 real good teams we played this year by a comined 132 - 59.

Youre either not really ND fans or just in love with Weis no matter what. I would bet the farm that even Weis would tell you that he still has a lot to prove as a head coach.
 

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Actually, he does have to prove something because as I recall these were all won as a coordinator - a impressive accomplishment - yes. Doing it as a head coach is a different ball game, and doing it in college is a totally different ballgame.

People saying "he has nothing to prove" really baffle me. We lost to the 3 real good teams we played this year by a comined 132 - 59.

Youre either not really ND fans or just in love with Weis no matter what. I would bet the farm that even Weis would tell you that he still has a lot to prove as a head coach.


I know we lost to three really good programs but cw can't just take the job and make that big of a difference overnight. It takes time to get the players and the experience. Don't forget that this is his first head coaching job and he is learning at the same time. All I'm saying is to give him time and I think everyone nd fan will be happy with the outcome.
 

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I'm really thrown off the "Worthless Fag Poster" under your username. It's unique, I'll give you that.

I did not put that in my profile it was kindly given to me and locked by the CLASSY Moderator of this board. Also, I assume they aren't a Notre Dame grad either, because again I expect more from Notre Dame alumni...
 
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I know we lost to three really good programs but cw can't just take the job and make that big of a difference overnight. It takes time to get the players and the experience. Don't forget that this is his first head coaching job and he is learning at the same time. All I'm saying is to give him time and I think everyone nd fan will be happy with the outcome.

I agree, so what you are basically saying is that he still has to prove himself as a coach right? If youre still learning the job, I find it tough to believe while still learning, you have nothing left to prove.

Im not bashing the guy, Im just being objective here. The program is going the right way IMO but these blowouts are no different than how Tys teams got it handed to them. If there are 9 NFL players on the team, what is the problem???
 

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yeah, well that happens on a lot of boards.... there are children everywhere. Can't really say i agree that people changed your name title (it wasn't necessarily an admin -- you can buy the power to do that with bankroll) either. But i do wonder why you donned the name Brady Quinn when you aren't an Irish fan?
 
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