Brady Quinn an athlete?

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When draft services describe Quinn they use the words "prototypical pocket-passer" yet he is as fast and about as strong as Vince Young.

Why dont we see the words athletic or scrambler ever attached to Bradys bio?
 
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A cynic would say because he is white, but...

I'd say it's because he rarely runs out of a designed run play, but rather is mainly a pocket passer with very good mobility.
 
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I'm a huge BQ fan, but I don't know if he is a scrambler on Vince Young's level. He had 1 good run against USC and 1 against UCLA. I love the guy as a QB, but I don't think he qualifies as a running, scrambling quarterback.
 
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hes not necessarily slow... but hes not necessarily that fast either. he has the ability to run if needed, but often times, he wont. he's def. a lot more mobile than peyton manning (i still laugh everytime he scrambles b/c hes so slow), but not quite at the vince young (or even drew stanton for that fact) level like jerseyborn said. he's not going to be a dual threat qb. i think this is the main reason why he is listed as pocket passer.... he has too much skill as a pocket passer to make him into some hybrid Tony Romoish qb.
 
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jerseyborn1971 said:
I'm a huge BQ fan, but I don't know if he is a scrambler on Vince Young's level. He had 1 good run against USC and 1 against UCLA. I love the guy as a QB, but I don't think he qualifies as a running, scrambling quarterback.
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Vince Young runs a 4.58. I think Quinn runs a legit 4.6.
 
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goldenechoes said:
Vince Young runs a 4.58. I think Quinn runs a legit 4.6.
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I guess after watching them both play, I just don't see the similarities. Brady can run when he needs to. Vince used to run because no one could catch him and he couldn't throw nearly as well as Brady can.
 
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As Michael Irvin would say, maybe none of Brady's great grandmothers fooled around with one of the stable boys. I still think Irvin should be fired.
 
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Wow, I'm glad I saw that, as it doesn't seem to be acknowledged anywhere that I have seen. And props to the author for taking his stance on the situation. Just as I appreciate it when a white author points out how racist a white person is. Because it is a testament to that persons sensitivity on the issue, that they could acknowledge a problem even when it isn't directly insulting to them.
 
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goldenechoes said:
Vince Young runs a 4.58. I think Quinn runs a legit 4.6.
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Eh, there's 40 speed and then there's game speed. Look at Quinn when he runs, and then look at Young.

I hate to bring this up as a Giants fan, but if Quinn were dead-to-rights by Mathias Kiwanuka and then just let go, does he deke Will Demps and then scramble for the first down on that play? Maybe, but I just doubt it.

I think Quinn uses his speed the way Montana did. Scramble around within the pocket to avoid the rush, and then look downfield. But there aren't too many NFL linebackers I think he'd be able to run around for yardage the way a Vince Young does.
 
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brady is most definitely an athlete, but not like vince young. brady is good at avoiding the sack, but he's not gonna scramble all the time.

and as for speed, Vince Young scores on that 60 yard run that Brady had.

And don't get me wrong, I love Brady and still would rather have him as my QB.
 
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njuneardave said:
vince young was quicker.... start/stop/juke/regain speed. brady doesnt have that kind of agility. maybe in a flat sprint, brady could compete, but he doesnt have the moves
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Yeah, that's a much clearer way of putting what I was trying to say. Good job on being coherent:)
 
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I dislike how white prospects are only compared to white NFL players and black prospects to black NFL players.

Differences in player ability go much deeper than skin color.
 
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goldenechoes said:
When draft services describe Quinn they use the words "prototypical pocket-passer" yet he is as fast and about as strong as Vince Young.

Why dont we see the words athletic or scrambler ever attached to Bradys bio?
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I wouldn't say he is as fast as Young. I watched Vince (I'm from Texas with ties to UT) and Quinn. There's no comparison when it comes to speed - VY is faster no doubt. Vince could probably play WR in the NFL, and definitely could have in college. The same cannot be said about Quinn. Plus, Quinn isn't used as a running QB. All these probably lead to him being labeled as a "pocket-passer."
I do think people (the media) will be surprised if he runs a 40 at the combine by his speed and that Quinn is stronger than VY though.
 
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IrishDon103 said:
Brady SHOULD HAVE scored but he kept looking back and he CLEARLY slowed down....I have no clue why.
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I think he was just shocked that he ran for as long as he did. He probably assumed that no one was chasing him because a flag went down and/or somebody blew the whistle. I too was a little shocked and was trying to figure out what was going on as Brady just kept running and there was no one around him.
 
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IrishDon103 said:
Brady SHOULD HAVE scored but he kept looking back and he CLEARLY slowed down....I have no clue why.
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probably because he didn't want to get tripped up and was just trying to head out of bounds.

By the way, his face on that run was priceless. It was the "Crap. What the F am I doing? And why is it working?" face.
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not the best picture, but fairly descriptive. : )
 
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goldenechoes said:
When draft services describe Quinn they use the words "prototypical pocket-passer" yet he is as fast and about as strong as Vince Young.

Why dont we see the words athletic or scrambler ever attached to Bradys bio?
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i think that the athlete tag gets put on players who are not very refined in fundamentals and are still learning the game. they obviously have talent to play, but there are questions. as we all know, there were major concerns about vince young's throwing motion coming out of college. i seem to remember mcnabb being tagged an athlete out of college as well, i would consider him a pocket passer now. watching brady for 4 years it is pretty obvious that his fundamentals are pretty solid. he needs to work on his footwork a bit but that will come.
 
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jerseyborn1971 said:
I'm a huge BQ fan, but I don't know if he is a scrambler on Vince Young's level. He had 1 good run against USC and 1 against UCLA. I love the guy as a QB, but I don't think he qualifies as a running, scrambling quarterback.
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Vince Young has good acceleration and is fairly elusive...for a HUGE guy. BQ is fast in a straight line, but I don't see him with "moves".

Think of him like a bigger Ryan Grant. (just kidding...hahaha)

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Brady Quinn vs Vince Young

Brady Quinn vs Vince Young

Come on Irish faithful, I am as big an Irish fan I think possible, but Vince Young Is an Elite Running threat, I don't care about 40 time...some people just know how to cut and run to avoid getting tackled. Vince Young falls into that category....Brady is really athletic for a pocket Qb....but lets not be guilty of being naive......Brady is an Elite Qb....but running vs Vince Young isn't a race Quinn can win many times...I would take them in overall qb performance, and a street fight!!! GO IRISH!!!
 
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Come on Irish faithful, I am as big an Irish fan I think possible, but Vince Young Is an Elite Running threat, I don't care about 40 time...some people just know how to cut and run to avoid getting tackled. Vince Young falls into that category....Brady is really athletic for a pocket Qb....but lets not be guilty of being naive......Brady is an Elite Qb....but running vs Vince Young isn't a race Quinn can win many times...I would take them in overall qb performance, and a street fight!!! GO IRISH!!!
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My intent wasnt to compare the two. I meant to say that Brady gets pinned with the unfair assumption that he is immobile.

On the contrary. He has got to be one of the fastest elite QB prospects in a long time.
 
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I don't think many people think Brady is immobile. He's obviously really good at avoiding sacks (although he seemed to be better at that last year for multiple reasons.) I would just say that he's more of a pocket passer than a scrambler.
 
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sonomairishfan said:
i think that the athlete tag gets put on players who are not very refined in fundamentals and are still learning the game.
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Sorry to bring up the other kind of football, but this is exactly how they describe american soccer players who go to European clubs. They are alwasy "athletic" meaning, "fast and strong, but not polished." In this since, BQ isn't an athlete, he's as polished as the come.
 
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