BCS Rankings - Michigan still #2

[Indydomer]

Unless it occurs in some type of BRACKET form.

Same shit every year. This would fix it all.

 

[FleaFlicker]

The main reason I think there shouldn't be a rematch is because it just isn't fair to OSU. As much as I hate to say it. Think about the scenario... OSU beats UM by 3. UM beats OSU by 1 in the VERY next game. And UM is the National Champions? If I were OSU, I would say.... "SO this first game actually didn't matter at all? WTF. The only game that matters is the second one?"

It just isn't fair to them. UM had their crack at No.1, at the end of the season, and they missed. I think they are probably the second best team in the country, but it wouldn't be fair to put them in the NC game unless all other contenders just fell apart.

Really, think about it... UM deserves to be ranked ahead of ND, at this point. BUT, If ND beats USC decisively, I'd say that it would be fair to say that UM and ND are pretty comparable, and the game they played would be different a second time around.

THAT BEING SAID, everyone hates ND this year, they have consistently been ranked lower by the humans, and higher by the computers. As opposed to teams like Texas which were higher by the higher by the pollsters, and lower by the computers. And when it comes down to it, the pollsters won't put ND ahead of UM at this point.

Unless USC beats us, I think it is going to be a rematch.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

The main reason I think there shouldn't be a rematch is because it just isn't fair to OSU. As much as I hate to say it. Think about the scenario... OSU beats UM by 3. UM beats OSU by 1 in the VERY next game. And UM is the National Champions? If I were OSU, I would say.... "SO this first game actually didn't matter at all? WTF. The only game that matters is the second one?"

It just isn't fair to them. UM had their crack at No.1, at the end of the season, and they missed. I think they are probably the second best team in the country, but it wouldn't be fair to put them in the NC game unless all other contenders just fell apart.

Thank You.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

The main reason I think there shouldn't be a rematch is because it just isn't fair to OSU. As much as I hate to say it. Think about the scenario... OSU beats UM by 3. UM beats OSU by 1 in the VERY next game. And UM is the National Champions? If I were OSU, I would say.... "SO this first game actually didn't matter at all? WTF. The only game that matters is the second one?".

Neutral field...that's how the championship is played. It should remain so. OSU squeaked by UM because they were at home. They got lucky it was not in the Big House, or OSU would be asking for the same rematch.

 

[BGIF]

...This isn't a question of whether Michigan is the second best team. They are. ...

And that resolves the issue succintly.

The BCS (aside from money) is about matching #1 against #2.

 

[BGIF]

... I think they are probably the second best team in the country. ...

BCS #1 versus #2.

Unless UM gets knocked out of the #2 slot, they're in.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

I'm over discussing the UM thing. We're all just beating our heads against the wall.

Some of us think UM is the 2nd best team and deserves another chance.

Some of us think they are not clearly the 2nd best team and do not deserve a 2nd chance at OSU.

Let's just leave it at that and start bashing USC.

 

[FleaFlicker]

BCS #1 versus #2.

Unless UM gets knocked out of the #2 slot, they're in.

I understand how the system works. The point is that the system is flawed. i didn't think it would be shown in this way, but it is. Your right, If UM and OSU are still sitting at #1 and #2 at the end of the year, they will duke it out again.

The thing is, this is a horrible situation to be in. OSU already proved they were better on the field. On a neutral field, maybe it is different, maybe it isn't. There were so many calls on both sides, that if they aren't made, it is a completely different game. i.e. if they don't call that PI on 4th and 15, UM loses by 11 points. And no one is talking about a rematch.

SImply put, it just isn't fair to OSU to play UM twice, and the second one being the only one that matters. Just as it wouldn't have been fair if UM won the game and had to play OSU again, the second one being the only one that matters.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

SImply put, it just isn't fair to OSU to play UM twice, and the second one being the only one that matters. Just as it wouldn't have been fair if UM won the game and had to play OSU again, the second one being the only one that matters.

That's not true. UF will play Arkansas again.

Conference Championships do this every year...happens all the time.

 

[marv81s]

Thought the whole point of the BCS was to make every game matter and every game means something and that is one of the reasons for not wanting a playoff system, and not wanting to play more games. What does a rematch say about that reasoning?

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Thought the whole point of the BCS was to make every game matter and every game means something and that is one of the reasons for not wanting a playoff system, and not wanting to play more games. What does a rematch say about that reasoning?

It says nothing. It says that #1 plays #2. That simple.

If the BCS determines UM to be #2, then they should play. It's that simple.

Anything else is merely gaming the system.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

That's not true. UF will play Arkansas again.

Conference Championships do this every year...happens all the time.

UF didn't play Arkansas this year in the regular season. It would have happened with Auburn if Auburn wasn't a completely over-rated flop.

 

[AZIRISHFAN]

This whole thread just proves the point that the BCS is a flawed system. I thought one of their many "tweek" was to prevent this. After Nebraska lost their conference (Didnt even play in the championship game) but still managed to get into the BCS Title game where they got hammered. The nature of the beast is you loose early and you can repair the damage. You lose late and your done. Now the BCS is like voting for Homecoming King. Example of Mack Brown crying a couple years back to vote them into the BCS because they were better. Only way to fix it is the playoff. But $$ talks and some "Old School" folks don't want to lose the tradition of the Who Cares.com bowl on Dec 17th!

 

[jiggafini19]

If you can honestly tell me that the regular season is "meaningless" with a 16 team playoff, you're a fool.

Michigan loses and doesn't fall in the standings. They're going to get another shot at OSU if things fall into place. There is no consequence for them losing that game. The game and the loss were "meaningless" should a rematch occur.

If you're going to have teams that aren't conference champions playing for the National Championship, you might as well do so via a playoff bracket.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

If you can honestly tell me that the regular season is "meaningless" with a 16 team playoff, you're a fool.

Michigan loses and doesn't fall in the standings. They're going to get another shot at OSU if things fall into place. There is no consequence for them losing that game. The game and the loss were "meaningless" should a rematch occur.

If you're going to have teams that aren't conference champions playing for the National Championship, you might as well do so via a playoff bracket.

We did not fall when we lost to USC last year. In fact for many it validated the fact that we were good.

Conference championships are meaningless though. They are merely where one team plays another, like any other game. They are a chance for the voters to revise the rankings, that's all.

And in this case, Michigan got the same treatment ND got last year.

 

[jiggafini19]

Big difference: ND already had one loss and the game was in mid October.

This OSU-Michigan thing has national title implications. Michigan loses and they can play Ohio State for the title the next game?

You don't win your conference, you don't play for a national championship.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Big difference: ND already had one loss and the game was in mid October.

This OSU-Michigan thing has national title implications. Michigan loses and they can play Ohio State for the title the next game?

It did have implications. It helped the voters and computers decide who is #2. And that is Michigan right now. So, it's good to see the game served it's purpose?

You don't win your conference, you don't play for a national championship.

Why? Conference Championship has NOTHING to do with that BCS National Championship.

1. The top two teams in the final BCS Standings shall play in the National Championship Game.

2. The champions of the ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10, and Southeastern conferences will have automatic berths in one of the participating bowls after the 2006 and 2007 regular seasons.

The rules are clear. #1 plays #2...it does not matter if they have played each other 3 times... #1 plays #2.

 

[AZIRISHFAN]

The polls are usless these days and have been since Mack Brown cried and influenced voters to change their votes. Explain to me how ND wins and gets jumped by a team that didn't play that week?(Twice) How a team can lose and not drop? Even how West Virgina jumped Louisville? Its a popularity contest and does not give you a true champion.

I am sorry but sounds like you are one of the many who would rather bury your head in the sand and say ok the voters picked O$U and scUM #1 & #2 and therefore they are the 2 best. I think the system is broke and needs to be fixed. ESPN has to much pull on how these teams are ranked. Voters don't watch the games they watch Sportscenter and what ever the Gameday crew says about the game is how they vote.

 

[sonomairishfan]

It did have implications. It helped the voters and computers decide who is #2. And that is Michigan right now. So, it's good to see the game served it's purpose?



Why? Conference Championship has NOTHING to do with that BCS National Championship.



The rules are clear. #1 plays #2...it does not matter if they have played each other 3 times... #1 plays #2.

i agree. michigan is still the second best team in the country. some would say they are the best team. if they didn't have a horrible first half they might have won. or bottle up the big run plays.

i just don't see any of the other one loss teams beating michigan. i think they deserve the shot at the NC. florida is way overrated. (no offense against 1A teams) usc will lose this weekend, arkansas may lose to LSU or FL. we are out due to the beating um put on us.

 

[AZIRISHFAN]

So why should Michigan get a 2nd chance and we do not? You say that Michigan stumbled or they would have won. What if Carlson makes that catch and rumbles for a 1st down and we continue down the field for a touchdown? That whole game changes and we very well could be already packing for Glendale.

They lost they should have dropped atleast to right in front of us. You lose late you lose your shot.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

So why should Michigan get a 2nd chance and we do not?

They never got a shot at the title. They got a shot at OSU.

After that they were voted #2.

That makes them eligible for the NC game. It really does not matter whether its OSU or not.

#1 plays #2.

"Rematch" concerns are irrelevant.

 

[AZIRISHFAN]

Oh I guess misunderstood all the hype and the over the top commercials where they called that game the title game. Winner goes to Glendale and the loser to the Rose Bowl. Then ESPN decided they played good enough to deserved a 2nd shot.

I am starting to believe what someone else posted that ESPN/ABC is trying to sabotage the games to mess up FOXs ratings. Makes more sense then having two team play each in back to back games.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Oh I guess misunderstood all the hype and the over the top commercials where they called that game the title game. Winner goes to Glendale and the loser to the Rose Bowl. Then ESPN decided they played good enough to deserved a 2nd shot.

I am starting to believe what someone else posted that ESPN/ABC is trying to sabotage the games to mess up FOXs ratings. Makes more sense then having two team play each in back to back games.

Well, what's interesting is that the ESPN Coaches poll has UM at #3. The AP poll has UM at #2.

So, who's REALLY trying to sabotage things?

 

[AZIRISHFAN]

The AP writers don't watch the games they watch the highlights. Didn't one AP voter already lose his vote because he asked around the pressbox for a score and did his rankings according to what he heard! So these guys are voting off the Gameday wrap-up show and not the game or even the box scores.

 

[FleaFlicker]

The AP writers don't watch the games they watch the highlights. Didn't one AP voter already lose his vote because he asked around the pressbox for a score and did his rankings according to what he heard! So these guys are voting off the Gameday wrap-up show and not the game or even the box scores.

Although that is typically true... with the OSU vs. UM game being the most watched regular season game since FSU vs. ND in 1992, I'm sure most of the AP voters were tuned in.

 

[kjones]

Seems to me that the difference between Michigan and the other one loss teams is that the other teams are having other games in-between their loss and the possible NC. Which means that they could be getting better, or worse, or staying the same, but no one can tell definitively. My personal opinion, is that since Michigan JUST lost to OSU, with no more games in between, we can definitively say at the end of the season, they weren't as good as OSU. Other teams, at the end of their season? They might not be either, but we'd have to actually play a game to see. At the end of Michigan's season, they came up short. Just my opinion.

What i think is gonna happen? Rematch.

 

[BGIF]

The AP writers don't watch the games they watch the highlights. Didn't one AP voter already lose his vote because he asked around the pressbox for a score and did his rankings according to what he heard! So these guys are voting off the Gameday wrap-up show and not the game or even the box scores.

Didn't OSU's SID apologize for HIS assistant "filling out" Tressel's vote (in the Coaches Poll) "incorrectly" when Tressel claimed he voted for a certain team and his ballot didn't reflect that?

 

[irish4ever]

I'm still not sold on those two teams (O$U and scUM) being "that close". Last Saturday's game, scUM wins the turnover battle 3-0, yet gets out gained in yardage by over 100 yds. statistically and also loses by 3 points. There was a debatable pass interference on 4th down late in the 4th that set up a scUM TD. As I stated elsewhere, without the 3 turnover difference scUM gets smoked by O$U. scUM had their chance, it should be U$C's chance IF they beat the Irish (I doubt it though) and the Bruins. If U$C falls, next would be the dicks from Florida, IF they run the table. IF they both fall, then it's a legitimate debate between ND, scUM and potentially the Hogs!