Post Game Observations (Florida State '14)

[Riddickulous]

Hoping like hell this loss puts a chip on our shoulder and we go on a tear to finish the season.

 

[Irishman77]

Kmoose I always respected your posts and am very glad you are part of the forum but you are trolling

 

[Green Goblin]

Darby stepped INSIDE with his right foot and raises his arms to meet Fuller.

That's not a block by Fuller... Darby thought he was taking away the slant.

 

[kmoose]

Actually yes, they are officials and they should notice holding. Holy Shit Kmoose did you really just say that refs shouldn't see holding at fullspeed? That is your defense?

Enough, man. What I said was how are they supposed to see holding, at full speed, that we have to use a fvckn NSA satellite lens on, so that we can zoom in close enough to see it. I didn't say that they should never be expected to see holding. For Fvks sake!!!

 

[Green Goblin]

And Ramsey wasn't looking for a flag, he was yelling at Darby for jumping inside on Fuller's slant route because Darby was supposed to have the flat and #26 was supposed to cover the slant.

video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlX8EhpzwO4&feature=youtu.be

 

[Old Man Mike]

The more I look at that play, the more it clearly seems that Darby busted that coverage and didn't go to Robinson. The post-side safety could not have responsibility for that route, and was in position to take Prosise. Darby instead actively engages Fuller and when the bust becomes obvious he pushes through him in the direction of Robinson way too late. I can see why Kelly is pissed.

 

[kmoose]

Kmoose I always respected your posts and am very glad you are part of the forum but you are trolling

*I* am trolling? I think you better go back and see who has been attacking whom, in this thread.

I made an observation that you can't blame the loss on the officials, because there were questionable calls on both sides of the line. If you look at the Observer Vine video, it sure looks like Fuller's right elbow comes up, just after contact, in an attempt to keep the defender inside of him. That's a block. And that's PI... I'm not trolling, I am defending my view from people who have called me a dick, a troll, and who have continually tried to hyperbolize my words to make it look like they are obviously right.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

If Fuller just sits on his route, and turns back to Golson, it is the equivalent of running a hook route. At that point, he legally screens his man away from Robinson, accomplishing the same objective.

A FSU homer would blush at the lengths you're are going to to justify that bullshit call. Isn't the act of sitting more rational for a penalty. Isn't that called a "pick" which is illegal.

Just for clarification, are you claiming that both Prosise and Fuller committed penalties? If not, who?

 

[Bluto]

Let's all take a moment and reflect on the fact that we are not Michigan fans.

 

[Grahambo]

I would love to see kmoose and BGIF explain to Brian Kelly why its a PI call because he clearly disagrees.

 

[Green Goblin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlX8EhpzwO4&feature=youtu.be

Again, you can see after ND WRs shift, Darby is CLEARLY OUTSIDE of ALL ND WRs.

He is supposed to cover the flat but he assumes its a quick slant and goes crashing inside of Fuller.

Then Ramsey is yelling at him after the play for blowing the coverage.

The refs just seen a bunch of contact (initiated by FSU players) and a wide open Robinson and assume he couldn't be that wide open and the ND players must be blocking!

But in reality, the FSU players SCREWED UP and were the ones holding and creating contact.

That's what really went down....

 

[Irishman77]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlX8EhpzwO4&feature=youtu.be

Again, you can see after ND WRs shift, Darby is CLEARLY OUTSIDE of ALL ND WRs.

He is supposed to cover the flat but he assumes its a quick slant and goes crashing inside of Fuller.

Then Ramsey is yelling at him after the play for blowing the coverage.

The refs just seen a bunch of contact (initiated by FSU players) and a wide open Robinson and assume he couldn't be that wide open and the ND players must be blocking!

But in reality, the FSU players SCREWED UP and were the ones holding and creating contact.

That's what really went down....

Exactly!

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

I would love to see kmoose and BGIF explain to Brian Kelly why its a PI call because he clearly disagrees.

Kelly is right. It was a blown coverage. The FSU DBs were so concerned with the slants and crossing patterns that they neglected Robinson. Frankly no one was covering Robinson. The ease by which we scored may have played a part in the officials split second decision. "How could they score so easily, there must have been a penalty..o..Fisher said they ran picks...it must be a pick..":

 

[Irish93]

Unfortunately, didn't get the watch most of the game. Got really sick and had to go home. Money well spent...From what I gathered:

1) Refs broke the cardinal rule of officiating. NEVER, EVER, EVER call a 50/50 penalty on such an important play. Not to mention the contact was initiated by the DEFENDER, not the receiver. If anything, that should be defensive PI.

2) I believe this is the first time this season that we have a 100-yard rusher. Folston was close last week, but he got it this week against a very talented defense.

3) Golson still has things to work out, but he made the plays when he had to...even if one of them was called back...

4) ND is still very much alive in the playoff discussion.

100% agree. I love how the refs make a PI call on a 50/50 play, but miss the obvious call of the defender taking his helmet off.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlX8EhpzwO4&feature=youtu.be

Again, you can see after ND WRs shift, Darby is CLEARLY OUTSIDE of ALL ND WRs.

He is supposed to cover the flat but he assumes its a quick slant and goes crashing inside of Fuller.

Then Ramsey is yelling at him after the play for blowing the coverage.

The refs just seen a bunch of contact (initiated by FSU players) and a wide open Robinson and assume he couldn't be that wide open and the ND players must be blocking!

But in reality, the FSU players SCREWED UP and were the ones holding and creating contact.

That's what really went down....

Beat me to it. Completely agree.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Just so you know the 1st td crob caught on same play opposite side, should have been flagged also. Kelly should probably try coaching his wrs better on it. Those of you arguing its not an easy call must only watch nd football games. Ofcourse kellys gonna play it off

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Aside from the blown coverage (which it was).

Can someone fill me in on this rule.

When a wr is jammed at the line, aren't they allowed 5 yards to make contact and fight for their route?

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Aside from the blown coverage (which it was).

Can someone fill me in on this rule.

When a wr is jammed at the line, aren't they allowed 5 yards to make contact and fight for their route?

No, they have to sit where they are...or run backwards. Avoid contact. Bama does it all the time.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Blame the loss n potential cost of the playoffs on the 3 important suspended players.

 

[Green Goblin]

Aside from the blown coverage (which it was).

Can someone fill me in on this rule.

When a wr is jammed at the line, aren't they allowed 5 yards to make contact and fight for their route?

Yeah I thought that was the rule.

And in Prosise's case, even though we've established he was being held onto the entire time, the entire event took place within 5 yards of the LOS so I don't see how that could be PI either.

 

[Irishman77]

Just so you know the 1st td crob caught on same play opposite side, should have been flagged also. Kelly should probably try coaching his wrs better on it. Those of you arguing its not an easy call must only watch nd football games. Ofcourse kellys gonna play it off

Wow! Just wow...

 

[Irishman77]

Blame the loss n potential cost of the playoffs on the 3 important suspended players.

Wtf?

 

[twig21]

Wow! Just wow...

+1

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

Aside from the blown coverage (which it was).

Can someone fill me in on this rule.

When a wr is jammed at the line, aren't they allowed 5 yards to make contact and fight for their route?

I thought the 5 yard zone was only in NFL

 

[Lepresean]

I was disappointed, just like everyone else on here, that we went away from the running game in the third quarter. I think that really cost us.

I also do not understand Prosise receiving so much playing time. He gives them speed and the explosive play ability, but he has not shown consistent hands. I have seen numerous occasions where he doesn't get his hands there in time.

Why is no one talking about Darby face guarding Robinson on the throw to the front corner of the end zone late in the fourth quarter?

 

[Green Goblin]

So here's the NCAA rule:

under NCAA rules, contact is allowed anywhere on the field as long as contact is in front of the defender and a pass is not in the air.

 

[Irish93]

I thought the 5 yard zone was only in NFL

I believe it is 3 yards in college.

 

[Green Goblin]

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Darby clearly WANTS to be inside. He wasn't being blocked. He headed there himself.

Yes there was contact but Darby initiated it.

Not a penalty on ND at any point in the game but especially when the entire game is on the line.

 

[Circa]

I was disappointed, just like everyone else on here, that we went away from the running game in the third quarter. I think that really cost us.

I also do not understand Prosise receiving so much playing time. He gives them speed and the explosive play ability, but he has not shown consistent hands. I have seen numerous occasions where he doesn't get his hands there in time.

Why is no one talking about Darby face guarding Robinson on the throw to the front corner of the end zone late in the fourth quarter?

If we ran down all the obviously bad non-'calls' we would be whiny little b's. Rather stick with the fact!

 

[JohnnyJasper]

still drunk
Go Irish