Good sign for Heisman Quinn?

[FleaFlicker]

Troy Smith against 2 and 7 Illinois...

13/23 108 yds (0TD,1INT)

Not at all a convincing performance on his part. I know they won, which everyone will look at. But I think he let Brady back in the door a little bit this past saturday.

 

[jiggafini19]

Quinn needs big numbers and wins in these next three games.

Smith's completion percentage and passer rating dipped today. Quinn has him on yards and TD to INT ratio right now.

After today, Smith is the favorite but by a lot less than he was this morning.

 

[NDFan78]

It seems to me it doesn't matter what Smith's numbers are, just as long as they win. Hopefully Michigan will make him look real bad and defeat Ohio St.

 

[WinOverAll08]

Flat out, Brady had a great day and Smith had a bad day. Even on ESPN's Heisman Watch, they have Brady having an up week while Smith had a down week. Throwing for no TD's and 1 INT in a game that your supposed to thoroughly dominate isn't very good. Brady is looking better and better every week. I wish I could say that Michigan is going to dominate Troy Smith, but when Michigan gives up 26 points to BALL STATE, I start to question the outcome. All we can say, like Jigg just said, is that Smith doesn't look as good now as he did before the game started. Here comes Brady Quinn.....

 

[marv81s]

Watch tonight on sportscenter and college gameday final, they will find that one or two good plays of Smith and forget the rest of the shit game he had against the Illini. Just like they did when OSU played Penn State, seems like all they showed was that one TD pass that he had, and barely mention that he had a fairly mediocre game against Penn State.

 

[WinOverAll08]

John Saunders on the ABC halftime show said that Ohio State's win was not very good and "not impressive at all." He also said Smith did not have a great day. The only play they showed for a recap was Pittman scoring a 5-yard touchdown.

 

[marv81s]

I missed that, and it shocks the shit out of me, but its good to hear.

 

[tedwick]

with 100some yards over the whole game, no touchdowns, and an interception, i doubt there are any good plays to show...

 

[Famboo28]

This weekend could end up being an equalizer in the heisman race.

 

[Pete]

This weekend could end up being an equalizer in the heisman race.

could it be, yes

will it be, no

 

[scooper]

It all comes down to OSU-UM. I know. Crazy. Go Skunkbears?

 

[WinOverAll08]

ESPN Heisman Watch:
It was a bland performance for Troy Smith as Illinois contained the star quarterback in giving Ohio State a scare.
Last performance: Smith completed 13 of 23 passes for 107 yards and no touchdowns. Smith did throw his third interception of season in a 17-10 victory over Illinois.

It's a good thing that the media has finally figured it out......

 

[marv81s]

"bland performance"? Understatement of the year asshole. to steal a line from danny devito from Romancing the Stone. Showing my age there.

 

[WinOverAll08]

Hey I didn't write it, bud. That info is all from ESPN. I totally agree about the understatement, though.

 

[marv81s]

no, no I wasn't calling you an asshole, that is the line from the movie. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[tgolden]

if brady ever had a statistical day like troy had today, the media would absolutley rip him apart. but it's troy, so he'll get a free pass. I've never wanted UM to win a game by a lot as I want them to destroy OSU.

 

[WinOverAll08]

It's hard to imagine guys, but I think Brady may have pulled even. THIS IS A BIG IF, I KNOW. But if you look at it, 108 YARDS AND NO TD, 1INT?
Those are simply not Heisman numbers. Can anyone, honestly, say they are?

 

[marv81s]

It always comes down to "winning ugly" and if your ND, "they got lucky". Perception. OSU needs to lose and Smith needs to have a game like today in that lost.

 

[BGIF]

This weekend could end up being an equalizer in the heisman race.

Quinn had a Pick Six and the double fumble for an opponent TD against UM. He also threw a Pic Six in the 1st Q against MSU which helped put ND in the deep hole he had to dig out of in the 4th Q (with a hell of a lot of help from his defense).

Illinois was Smith's equivalent of Quinn's MSU game without the dramatic 4th Q. Quinn, 23/35 346 4 0 against UNC, should pick up some ground his QB Eff Rating was 186.5 while Smith's QB Rating, 13/23 108 0 1 against Illinois, was an aemic 87.3.

Smith started out 4/5 with 42 yds on the first drive and was 9/18 for 66 yds for the rest of the game. The mobile Smith was sacked 3 times, same as the leadfooted Quinn who plays behind an inconsistent OLine. Mighty Illinois, with one more win than UNC, held Smith and the Buckeyes to its fewest points, total yards and passing yards this season.

Smith will win or lose with the UM game. if Smith stumbles against the weasels, Quinn will still have to win it against USC. If Smith beats UM, it won't matter what Quinn does.

 

[FleaFlicker]

I totally agree that the Heisman probably has very little to do with how Troy Smith actually plays at this part of the season. As always, it is a popularity contest. And if OSU beats UM (even if Smith has a game like today). He still wins it. People just put him so far out ahead after our UM game....

 

[BGIF]

I totally agree that the Heisman probably has very little to do with how Troy Smith actually plays at this part of the season. As always, it is a popularity contest. And if OSU beats UM (even if Smith has a game like today). He still wins it. People just put him so far out ahead after our UM game....

If Quinn had a day like Smith had today against Illinois, ND would have had a better chance. Quinn turned the ball over 4 times. Smith only did that once against ILL. Quinn singlehandedly gave UM 14 points. Smith didn't give ILL any.

 

[Master Guns]

I agree with you BQ should surpass Troy Smith, but once again the anti-ND media will keep him down. He needs to have steller performances with wins here on out.

If a NC is out of reach, a Heisman for BQ and a BCS win will be ok in my book.

 

[NDgettysburg]

ESPN Heisman Watch:
It was a bland performance for Troy Smith as Illinois contained the star quarterback in giving Ohio State a scare.
Last performance: Smith completed 13 of 23 passes for 107 yards and no touchdowns. Smith did throw his third interception of season in a 17-10 victory over Illinois.

What really makes this all the more of a joke was the review of Quinn's day:

"Brady Quinn continues to pile up stats against lesser foes, taking care of business against UNC."

Lesser foes? Well, who is it that Smith is having his bland performances against? Football giants?

 

[tedwick]

I agree with you BQ should surpass Troy Smith, but once again the anti-ND media will keep him down. He needs to have steller performances with wins here on out.

If a NC is out of reach, a Heisman for BQ and a BCS win will be ok in my book.

lol... uhhhh...

really. there isn't a big anti-nd conspiracy. sorry. this is how the heisman works:
1) Nominate a list of players at the beginning of the year that play for big schools and played well last year in a bowl game. These are the true contenders.
2) Add people during the year, but don't consider them.
3) Drop people as they screw up badly.
4) The one who didn't screw up gets the heisman. If everyone screwed up, choose a statistically impressive quarterback or running back.

yeah, it's kind of a dumb system. but if you want the best player in college football, check out the maxwell award. As it stands, Troy Smith hasn't willed his team to a loss yet, so he leads. If brady hadn't screwed up in the michigan game, he would still be leading.

 

[Master Guns]

Funny how all the anti-ND media types say Smith will win the Heisman, but BQ will be the go number one in the NFL draft or be the first QB drafted. Smith is mearly an after thought in the NFL draft.

 

[Master Guns]

lol... uhhhh...

really. there isn't a big anti-nd conspiracy. sorry. this is how the heisman works:
1) Nominate a list of players at the beginning of the year that play for big schools and played well last year in a bowl game. These are the true contenders.
2) Add people during the year, but don't consider them.
3) Drop people as they screw up badly.
4) The one who didn't screw up gets the heisman. If everyone screwed up, choose a statistically impressive quarterback or running back.

yeah, it's kind of a dumb system. but if you want the best player in college football, check out the maxwell award. As it stands, Troy Smith hasn't willed his team to a loss yet, so he leads. If brady hadn't screwed up in the michigan game, he would still be leading.

Something is up. Look at the polls. Teams on a bye week surpass the Irish after a win. UM and OSU barley get by against lame D1 schools and there is no drop. Yet the Irish playing better oponents win, but give points up to the likes of Navy and NC and it is held against them.

 

[irish4ever]

It seems to me it doesn't matter what Smith's numbers are, just as long as they win. Hopefully Michigan will make him look real bad and defeat Ohio St.

Or scUM makes him look fairly bad, yet tO$U pulls one out w/ Smith not having a major impact in the win ( win by an interception return of a Henne pass, a fumble return, a long FG, etc.). If he has below average numbers and tOSU pulls out a close win that doesn't involve a Smith led last minute winning drive I would think that his "status" would drop. Plus, Brady needs to have very good numbers from here on out, including a very good day in a win over U$C. Winning every game, throwing 3-4 touchdown passes w/ 300+ yards and no interceptions each game will tell wonders for Brady's chances!

 

[jerseyborn1971]

BQ v UM: 3 int's/3 tds/241 yards/lost
TS v UI: 1 int/0 tds/109 yrds/win

BQ v PSU: 3 td/0 int's/287 yards/won
TS v OSU: 1 td/ 2int's/115 yards/won

These are the bad games that both had.

MSU was not a bad game for Brady. He played poorly in the first half, but was brilliant in an amazing comeback showing true leadership and winner's attitude and put up huge numbers. UCLA was BIG TIME finish. You don't penalize a guy for rising to the occassion when the game is in doubt.

Texas is TS's only BIG performance. Iowa turned out to be a joke.

 

[FleaFlicker]

BQ v UM: 3 int's/3 tds/241 yards/lost
TS v UI: 1 int/0 tds/109 yrds/win

BQ v PSU: 3 td/0 int's/287 yards/won
TS v OSU: 1 td/ 2int's/115 yards/won

These are the bad games that both had.

MSU was not a bad game for Brady. He played poorly in the first half, but was brilliant in an amazing comeback showing true leadership and winner's attitude and put up huge numbers. UCLA was BIG TIME finish. You don't penalize a guy for rising to the occassion when the game is in doubt.

Texas is TS's only BIG performance. Iowa turned out to be a joke.

I'm really amazed that PSU's defense has turned out to be that good. We made them look like chumps when we played them. If people were smart, and TS has a game similar to Quinn's against UM. Then it should be Brady's heisman. But I seriously doubt that will happen. Troy Smith could throw 2 INT's against UM, throw for 50%, no TD's, and if they win, he gets the hesiman, if they lose, it is Brady's.

 

[punishment]

Texas is TS's only BIG performance. Iowa turned out to be a joke.

Isn't it interesting that nobody mentions this. After Georgia Tech lost to Clemson, all these idiotic announcers kept stating how now it has come to light that ND has not beaten anbody since GT was not for real.

However, since OSU beat Iowa, Iowa will always be for real.