Playoff System

[ShivaIrish]

They need a playoff thats for sure. Some teams get knocked out of the title picture early by a quick loss out the gates but play better then the rest by the end of year (See Calfornia and their early loss at TN). But, you also keep the bowl system in place as well.

I would like to see a system where the Big 4 rotate who hosts the championship game, 2 others host the Semis, the other hosts a quarterfinal with a couple of other sites (throw in some Dome sites to give other areas a chance Indianapolis, Atlanta, Houston, Minnesota, Detroit to name a few). That would be an 8 team playoff to determine who is the best of the best. Instead of taking the month of December off they play thru. If teams dont make the playoff then they can play in the other bowls. It will be like the NIT (Not Invited) they can go get their money and play at the so-and-so tire bowl or the dot.com bowl.

But atleast it will 8 teams with a chance instead of just 2.

This is the best idea so far I think. Keep the bowls, but also implement the 8 team playoff. I won't reiterate all the points Azirishfan stated already, but it is not only ridiculous that a quick loss by a superior team can preclude them from the NC, but even a team without a loss can be without a chance (remember Auburn a few years back?). That was ridiculous. Basically this system has built into it the possibility that no matter what a team does, it still cannot win it all.

Also, someone else pointed out the argument that would be made for the #9 team not making the playoff, and how that could be controversial. That may be true, but you can't completely get away from controversy. I would rather have it involve the #10. 9. 8, 7 teams rather than #1,2,3,4. Furthermore, by the fact that those arguments would be made, shows how the regular season would still be about as important as now. You still don't want to lose any games, and certainly not two, because then, a team puts itself at the mercy of voters again. At least with the 8 team playoff system, the teams that get screwed at least must be partially to blame (unless we saw 9 undefeated teams).

One argument against this system that I support, however, is how "non-BCS" teams with undefeated records would be dealt with.

 

[mirertobrooks]

"Playoffs, who said anything about playoffs, I just hope we can win another game........... Playoffs."

Jim Mora

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

This thread was started on a 'yay' or 'nay' basis. Whats all this talking?

 

[KMac151993]

This thread was started on a 'yay' or 'nay' basis. Whats all this talking?

Nay...I say Nay again and again.

 

[Vince Young]

Nay.

Oh, and can someone wake me up if someone says something in this thread that HASN'T already been said about this topic 8 BILLION times? It's been years since I heard an original thought in this debate, either pro-playoff or anti-playoff. I realize I'm in the minority on this, but I think the burden is on the side that wants change to PROVE to me why a change is needed, and then to prove to me that their particular method of change is the way to go. Nobody has yet to meet that burden for me, and yet everyone keeps trotting out the exact same arguments.

Sorry, guys, if those arguments didn't convince me 3 years ago, they still won't convince me now. Come up with something new.

 

[ShivaIrish]

Nay.

Oh, and can someone wake me up if someone says something in this thread that HASN'T already been said about this topic 8 BILLION times? It's been years since I heard an original thought in this debate, either pro-playoff or anti-playoff. I realize I'm in the minority on this, but I think the burden is on the side that wants change to PROVE to me why a change is needed, and then to prove to me that their particular method of change is the way to go. Nobody has yet to meet that burden for me, and yet everyone keeps trotting out the exact same arguments.

Sorry, guys, if those arguments didn't convince me 3 years ago, they still won't convince me now. Come up with something new.

First of all, this thread is not just for your edification--perhaps other people have not heard all the arguments.

Second, although the actual logistics of the 8-team plan is not worked out, it is the probably the best plan to have. Just because good arguments are used over and over, and other people reject them, does not in and of itself invalidate the arguments. If you're satisfied with not settling things on the field, and instead want things decided largelly by polls, that's your opinion. If you won't budge on that, then no, no arguments will convince you otherwise. When Notre Dame is undefeated some year, and because they're ranked #3 in the polls don't play in the NC, you might be whistling a different tune.

 

[Vince Young]

First of all, this thread is not just for your edification--perhaps other people have not heard all the arguments.

That's true... but I think I can safely say that I'm not the only person who has heard all of the arguments by now, including yours. And I remain unconvinced, as do a surprisingly high number of people on this board, judging from the poll results thus far.

If you can't convince me, good luck convincing the conference commissioners. And by the way, THAT is who you need to convince, not some clown on a message board. The commissioners have also heard all the same arguments for years now.

Again, I say, come up with something new.

 

[VictorsValiant]

I like the idea of a playoff, but I think it should be four teams. With 8, you open the door for 5-6 teams to complain that they didn't get the 8th spot. You'll have the same criticism no matter what the system is. As for Nd, they would be left out of this system as it stands, and I can only imagine the hysteria that would ensue were that the case.

4 teams is better because with top 4, you don't really have pretenders out there. If we suppose that #1 OSU played #8 Nd, then it's really obvious to me that Nd would have no chance. They won't be able to stop anyone in OSU's potent offense, least of all Troy Smith. Also, with 8, you minimize the rest of the bowl schedule because people can watch 3 games as opposed to 2. A 4 team playoff would be a realistic sell.

 

[grantland]

"I won't post here anymore unless you guys win out leading up to the USC game."
-- VictorsValiant, 9/24/2006 in this post

 

[ShivaIrish]

That's true... but I think I can safely say that I'm not the only person who has heard all of the arguments by now, including yours. And I remain unconvinced, as do a surprisingly high number of people on this board, judging from the poll results thus far.

If you can't convince me, good luck convincing the conference commissioners. And by the way, THAT is who you need to convince, not some clown on a message board. The commissioners have also heard all the same arguments for years now.

Again, I say, come up with something new.

Well, I guess that is where the line is drawn. Personally, I don't think you need anymore arguments, for that is the best one, and would be the best system up to this point. Although, I'm definitely open to other suggestions.

I know I'm not going to get the playoff system implemented by posting here, but that's just like so many other things we talk about on this board. I can live with that. A lot of this stuff is just debate. But I do think it's more legitimate to talk about than trying to offer offensive coordinator advice to Charlie.

But anyone against the playoff system needs to admit that deciding the NC on the field, and providing more equal opportunity to all teams is not at the top of his or her list of priorities for college football. If someone wants to just accept the apparent greed of the powers that be, I guess they won't hear any arguments, regardless the validity.

 

[guff]

I like the idea of a playoff, but I think it should be four teams. With 8, you open the door for 5-6 teams to complain that they didn't get the 8th spot. You'll have the same criticism no matter what the system is. As for Nd, they would be left out of this system as it stands, and I can only imagine the hysteria that would ensue were that the case.

4 teams is better because with top 4, you don't really have pretenders out there. If we suppose that #1 OSU played #8 Nd, then it's really obvious to me that Nd would have no chance. They won't be able to stop anyone in OSU's potent offense, least of all Troy Smith. Also, with 8, you minimize the rest of the bowl schedule because people can watch 3 games as opposed to 2. A 4 team playoff would be a realistic sell.

I thought you were leaving

 

[Irish-Sioux]

The non-playoff championship for d1-a football makes it different and neat. And while I think the BCS rankings are off, I do not want to see playoffs.

 

[irishfan]

BCS Playoff Idea

BCS Playoff Idea

Nay.

Oh, and can someone wake me up if someone says something in this thread that HASN'T already been said about this topic 8 BILLION times? It's been years since I heard an original thought in this debate, either pro-playoff or anti-playoff.

ok here's one. We keep the BCS how it is right now with a top 25. teams 1-7 get the first round bye. 8 plays 25, 9 plays 24, and so on. There's no bracket, just 1 plays the lowest seed after the first round, and 2 plays the next lowest and so on. I know this would take up a lot of time, and would be 5 rounds, but it would be interesting. As of right now, in Round 1 there would be some interesting games. Most fun part is that the USC/Virginia Tech winner doesnt automatically play #7. (texas)

(8)USC vs. (25)Virginia Tech
(9)Notre Dame vs. (24)Wake Forest
(10)California vs. (23)Washington State
(11)Tennessee vs. (22)Oregon
(12)Rutgers vs. (21)Texas A&m
(13)Arkansas vs. (20)Georgia Tech
(14)Boise State vs. (19)Clemson
(15)Boston College vs. (18)Oklahoma
(16)Wisconsin vs. (17)LSU

 

[ACamp1900]

NEVER A PLAYOFF!! if you want a playoff you got it! It's called the NFL, don't let the door hit you on the way out....

give me the bowl system and all the history intact and the BCS over some playoff system that not only renders the reg. season pointless but also turns CFB into the NFL's minor leagues...

yep I'll take the Rose Bowl every New Year's and a season that matters Every Time... why anyone wouldn't, I'll never know

 

[AZIRISHFAN]

Ok no playoff then why even have a national champion??? Let's all just play for little brown jugs and gold bowls stuffed with oranges!

If we are going to play for a champion then let it be decided on the field. The current popularity contest doesn't work. I don't care what the system is but it needs changed. It doesn't matter how many teams you let in a playoff someone will cry. They let 64 into March Madness and there are always 5 or 6 teams crying foul as they head off to the NIT. I would rather see a system that gives multiple teams a shot at the championship and not the 2 prettiest or in WV case the one that got the best breaks on a weak schedule!

Otherwise we can bury our heads in the sand and pretend that every year the BCS and their computers got it right and the best team got the ring.

 

[HoffVir]

: No preseason rankings.
: First rankings come out after week 4.
: Take the top 8 from the final BCS standings to form a playoff bracket -->
1 v 8
4 v 5

3 v 6
2 v 7
: You could use the lower seeded team's stadium the first round, then the current BCS bowls to host the remaining 3 games.