These forums not what they used to be

[punishment]

By now some might be saying that I am trolling, and yes, its true.

Ah, these boards ain't what they used to be though. Prior to the Fiesta Bowl we mostly discussed football. And now, we tend to discuss white middle class agendas.

So I guess as being probably the only non-white person on these forums, and maybe one of the few who did not grow up middle class, I find a lot of silliness in many of the political posts on here.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

I'm actually Macacan, so uh, I take offense.

 

[tommy]

id like to think there are many "non white people on here"

 

[tommy]

this is a funny thread specialy after you just posted about being pissed that jessica alba is the sexeist women in the us

 

[tedwick]

mmm... i'm with ya, punishment. imo, it's kind of lame... most of the crap being posted is flamebait anyway.

 

[TheIrishHammer]

By now some might be saying that I am trolling, and yes, its true.

Ah, these boards ain't what they used to be though. Prior to the Fiesta Bowl we mostly discussed football. And now, we tend to discuss white middle class agendas.

So I guess as being probably the only non-white person on these forums, and maybe one of the few who did not grow up middle class, I find a lot of silliness in many of the political posts on here.

Henceforth, I'd appreciate it if you'd refer to me and my whitey brethren as European Americans. Specifically, you can call me Irish American.

 

[scooper]

Seems to me there's football on the football board.

 

[marv81s]

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Grab a green beer and pull up your chair, It's happy hour at the Leprechaun Lounge. Got something on your mind? Share it. Everythings fair game here.

Can only talk about rankings, DW being benched, Minter being fired and worrying about recruiting so much, have to vent about other stuff too and this is the forum where you can do that. I would think that there is quite a few other ethnic classes here and I would think that 98% of the people on this site don't worry about or think about other peoples race on here. Be nice to not bring race into some of these discussions.

 

[tommy]

to bad 100 % of the people dont worry about the others race marv

 

[tedwick]

as long as they're not arab.

grumble, grumble, grumble.

 

[tommy]

no aslong as they dont have a bomb strapped to them

 

[rontdtarchala]

you people are too funny

 

[tedwick]

Mark my words, 20 million Muslim lives are not worth the life of any one American. Bring the troops home now and let the Islamic world rot - they've got Allah, maybe he'll help them out. But I doubt it

couldnt agree more ogl but they arent the only american fo kim jung mentaly ill needs to be addressed

Hey buddy, it's the first religious group in the history of the world that has brought about their own discrimination.

Honestly, I don't really care. If it takes stopping 100,000 'visitors' from coming to this country so that one of them won't kill an American, I don't really care about the other 99,999 people with good intentions.

Ha, yeah, it is to say that they havn't become sectarian.

There's nothing wrong with realizing that a certain religion is barbaric and fraudulent. You choose a religion. It's not like race.

If somebody aspires to be Muhammed.....they've got some serious character issues.

Sorry, i misspoke. There's a difference between Arab and Muslim. We're not racist here. We're just religiously intolerant.

 

[Irish Envy]

By now some might be saying that I am trolling, and yes, its true.

Ah, these boards ain't what they used to be though. Prior to the Fiesta Bowl we mostly discussed football. And now, we tend to discuss white middle class agendas.

So I guess as being probably the only non-white person on these forums, and maybe one of the few who did not grow up middle class, I find a lot of silliness in many of the political posts on here.

The Lep Lounge has ALWAYS had discussions like these. It's an off-topic forum. I guess my question is if you don't want to discuss these issues, why go into the Lep Lounge? Football talk goes on the football board, recruiting in the recruiting forum, etc.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

Henceforth, I'd appreciate it if you'd refer to me and my whitey brethren as European Americans. Specifically, you can call me Irish American.

Finally, a tone I can agree with. But I'd prefer to be called Ulster-American.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

Sorry, i misspoke. There's a difference between Arab and Muslim. We're not racist here. We're just religiously intolerant.

Hey man, I already told you, Islam is an intolerant religion. So I more than welcome being labeled as intolerent of intolerance

 

[tedwick]

as multiple people have already told you, you have a very narrow view of what islam is. islam is a peaceful religion, which you seemed to ignore every time you were told. you're more ignorant than anything else, i suppose.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

as multiple people have already told you, you have a very narrow view of what islam is. islam is a peaceful religion, which you seemed to ignore every time you were told. you're more ignorant than anything else, i suppose.

Yeah, it's really peaceful......


Saying it a million times won't make it true.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Yeah, it's really peaceful......

Saying it a million times won't make it true.

You know what? I believe Christianity is a religion of peace...but people acting in the name of Christianity [the Catholic church comes to mind] have killed far more people and committed far more inhumane acts than Islam over time.

So...you can say Islam is worse 1 million times...but would it be true? The numbers sure don't bear it out.

[for the record I am Christian]

 

[tedwick]

You know what? I believe Christianity is a religion of peace...but people acting in the name of Christianity [the Catholic church comes to mind] have killed far more people and committed far more inhumane acts than Islam over time.

So...you can say Islam is worse 1 million times...but would it be true? The numbers sure don't bear it out.

[for the record I am Christian]

bingo. crusades, the inquisition, the terrorism in ireland, the list goes on.

rep.

 

[marv81s]

How long ago was that? This is a new age and time. These radical islamic extremeist are killing women and children in cold blood in the name of their god. I would say that both were just about equally barbaric, but they are totally different time periods. What is going on now is not one whole religious base, it is the extremist in that religious base.

 

[tedwick]

well, the whole Ireland thing is still going on.

But the point is: Islam as a religion is just as non-violent as Christianity, Judaism, and other major religions. It's just that a certain subset goes nuts. And people on this board tend to take the part as a representation of the whole.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

Marv, you got right on it. Time is the issue. There has been nearly a thousand years of secular progress in the Christian world. If anything, Islam has been moving backward.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

well, the whole Ireland thing is still going on.

But the point is: Islam as a religion is just as non-violent as Christianity, Judaism, and other major religions. It's just that a certain subset goes nuts. And people on this board tend to take the part as a representation of the whole.

Let's name countries that are DANGEROUS in the Islamic world. And I mean, countries that you don't want to visit as a non-Muslim and as a non-Arab (yes, the secret is that the Arab world is unbelievably racist on top of being unbelievably prejudice of religion): Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Oman, and large portions of Egypt and even India (the Muslim areas, of course). What countries does that leave out? Really only Turkey, Qatar, Kuwait, and Lebanon. That's a hell of a place and it hardly represents the minority of the Arab world.

As for Ireland, you're mistaken. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion. There hasn't been a serious religious debate in probably 250-300 years. It's an identity crisis. No one gives a damn what interpretation you have of the Bible, they only care whether you're Loyalist or Republican. Religion only helps clarify the two sides. And to further prove that point, why do you think Ireland is so enormously Catholic? Ireland never gave Protestantism a chance because it had an English reputation.

Some of the most hardcore Republicans I have met are incredibly critical of religion to the point that you wonder why they don't just come out as atheists.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

How long ago was that? This is a new age and time. These radical islamic extremeist are killing women and children in cold blood in the name of their god. I would say that both were just about equally barbaric, but they are totally different time periods. What is going on now is not one whole religious base, it is the extremist in that religious base.

A small group of people committing acts in the name of religion does not make the religion violent per se.

For instance, Bin Laden has been issuing "fatwahs".

Under Islamic law and rules he cannot since he is not an imam.

So...does that make Islam violent because he is coopting it? No.

Does it make Christianity violent when anti-abortion activists blow up clinics? No.

 

[tedwick]

So, the answer is, yes, you don't like arabs. thanks for clearing that up.

nothing you said mentioned anything about islam being a violent religion.

 

[bayernarsch]

Oglaigh,

Don't make claims that your own post negates. 1/3 of the countries you name as being those that should not be visited by non-Arabs are not Arab countries themselves! Amazing how fact becomes fiction when trying to paint so many people with a brush truly reserved for a few. Are you wrong with your proclamation that racism and creed bias exists in those places? Absolutely not. Just as it exists here in this country. But don't oversimplify your statement. Also, if you'd like to truly begin know about the tolerance/intolerance of Islam, I suggest you look up the following terms: dhimmi, mawali (both under Umayyad and under Abassid rule) and sufi (since more Muslims over time converted due to the influence sufis and merchants than by any other means). For help on any of these, refer to any decent AP World History book. My students use the Stearns volume, but any should do the trick for you.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

So, the answer is, yes, you don't like arabs. thanks for clearing that up.

nothing you said mentioned anything about islam being a violent religion.

That's a hell of a stretch. I never mentioned anything about race, other than that, the Islamic world is pretty racist... I was talking about Islamic intolerance and countries within which it is most manifested. I am "befuddled" by how quickly you turned to playing the racism card, yet again. No offense, but it gets old.

1/3 of the countries you name as being those that should not be visited by non-Arabs are not Arab countries themselves!

It's a slip-up, trust me, I'm well aware.

But I was actually unaware that there is an AP World History course---my school doesn't offer it. I'm currently incredibly bored by my AP European History course. Hopefully it'll get more interesting as we approach the 18th C.

But I don't think applying relativism to the problem of religious and racial bigotry in the Islamic world will get us anywhere. I've already made the claim that racism is incredibly overexaggerated in this country---at least where whites are the perpetrators and blacks, the victims---and I'm not willing to buy into the idea that the United States is 1/1,000,000th as bigoted as the Islamic world.

 

[tedwick]

Let's name countries that are DANGEROUS in the Islamic world. And I mean, countries that you don't want to visit as a non-Muslim and as a non-Arab (yes, the secret is that the Arab world is unbelievably racist on top of being unbelievably prejudice of religion): Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Oman, and large portions of Egypt and even India (the Muslim areas, of course). What countries does that leave out? Really only Turkey, Qatar, Kuwait, and Lebanon. That's a hell of a place and it hardly represents the minority of the Arab world.

You're using Arab and Islam interchangeably. Either you aren't making yourself clear, or you're "befuddled". Either way, surely you, a bastion of reason, could see where your words could indicate you don't care for those of an Arab descent. Either way, race or religion, you seem to be taking a part for the whole, which isn't logical. What you're trying (and failing) to show is that islam is institutionally a bigoted and violent religion, and in that, you're simply misinformed or thick-skulled.

Yes it's dangerous to visit that area of the world. But again, it's simply because of a small subset of people. You don't seem to be able to get around that. There's a reason they're called extremists. It's because, guess what, they reside on the EXTREME of the spectrum. What you see on Fox News (fair and balanced!) isn't Islam. It's violence carried out by people that get this sad, distorted version of islam ingrained into their minds that killing the infidels is their mission in life.

 

[tommy]

i get your point ted but the subsets arent all that small and they are getting bigger and spawning