Now that the President has cracked the whip on the reluctant House Republicans and has worked out a proposal for a border fence with Mexico, the natural question arises: should the fence be electrified? In my mind, it should be. I'm thinking back to the Berlin Wall around 1990 and the images of crazy East Germans dancing on the wall as if it were a jungle gym or something. I'd hate for the American people to pay billions for a wall and then have unwanted Mexicans dancing, shaking their behinds atop it before they jump down into our country, free to steal our jobs and women. That's why I say electrify the fence. And I don't mean pantywaist voltage. I mean Ted Bundy brain-frying power that acts like an industrial strength lethal illegal alien zapper. But to do this, we need a couple things to happen: We need to re-elect Rick Santorum and the Republicans up for re-election in the House and Senate. A Democrat controlled Congress will whine about it being "barbaric", just like they whine about waterboarding and other harmless interrogation methods. We just can't let that happen. Second, we need to win in Iraq so we keep that petrol coming. That way we can create enough energy to keep the voltage high and the dancing low on the border fence.
Should the border fence be electrified?
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Steal our jobs?
I just got laid off from a large high tech company...but it wasn't because of some illiterate who jumped a fence.
Seriously, the fence with Mexico ranks right up there with Gay Marriage...it's a distraction from the real problems facing this country.
Although, if we do manage to get the border sealed off it will be really interesting to see who picks our vegetables.
Sure as hell won't be me...
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I just got laid off from a large high tech company...but it wasn't because of some illiterate who jumped a fence.
Seriously, the fence with Mexico ranks right up there with Gay Marriage...it's a distraction from the real problems facing this country.
Although, if we do manage to get the border sealed off it will be really interesting to see who picks our vegetables.
Sure as hell won't be me...
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All the immigrants want is the same thing our ancestors did. I can't reject them just because I am a member of the "lucky sperm club" and had the fortune to be born here. I never earned the right to be an American because I never sacraficed anything to earn that title. The truth is, people who choose to be American.....well, they might be more American than the rest of us.
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At the same time there are legal ways to apply for entry into the country.
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But that won't get the lettuce picked. It's an ugly truth, not a glib statement.
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Sick on a saturday night. Might as well jump into this.
Sure, put up a fence - it wont stop them.
As for the people picking the lettuce, they will be the same people picking the lettuce. There is no need for more illegals.
Now, if we lock up the border, what to do with the illegals?
Give them citizenship? - Laughable. The last thing this country needs is another Flint Michigan.
People have this hilarious thought process, giving them ideas of how a minimum wage worker is going to be able to pay the taxes normal Americans, pay. PLUS the fact that they usually have more than 1 child.
THE MAJORITY of illegals simply do not make enough to pay the taxes.
I live in Westchester NY. AKA One Rich Ass County. Illegals make good money here. IF they rent with about 10 others and sleep on the floor. Will these men be allowed to dorm with 10 of their buddies if theyre legal US citizens? Wait, I know, theyre going to get some welfare benefits. Maybe a lil ole section 8. What a boost to the US Eco.
Going back to my 'Flint Michigan' joke. The point im making; is IF and or WHEN the illegals receive citizenship, they would be paying ridiculous taxes, they simply wont be able to meet. Essentially, driving them into poorer towns and forming ghettos. If you think this is bullshit. Look at the black communities. Cheap housing and lesser quality of life. The country will forget about the illegals as we did before.
The question is; does this country need another ghetto?
Before you call me a racist/right wing SOB/Bush-lover. Let me be first to point out.
I am all for immigration.
People FIGHT long and hard to legally come to this country every day. Ive known people on lists for decades to get in. Do people simply forget about them? I guess screw them, theyre not smart enough to take swimming lessons, right?
Sure, put up a fence - it wont stop them.
As for the people picking the lettuce, they will be the same people picking the lettuce. There is no need for more illegals.
Now, if we lock up the border, what to do with the illegals?
Give them citizenship? - Laughable. The last thing this country needs is another Flint Michigan.
People have this hilarious thought process, giving them ideas of how a minimum wage worker is going to be able to pay the taxes normal Americans, pay. PLUS the fact that they usually have more than 1 child.
THE MAJORITY of illegals simply do not make enough to pay the taxes.
I live in Westchester NY. AKA One Rich Ass County. Illegals make good money here. IF they rent with about 10 others and sleep on the floor. Will these men be allowed to dorm with 10 of their buddies if theyre legal US citizens? Wait, I know, theyre going to get some welfare benefits. Maybe a lil ole section 8. What a boost to the US Eco.
Going back to my 'Flint Michigan' joke. The point im making; is IF and or WHEN the illegals receive citizenship, they would be paying ridiculous taxes, they simply wont be able to meet. Essentially, driving them into poorer towns and forming ghettos. If you think this is bullshit. Look at the black communities. Cheap housing and lesser quality of life. The country will forget about the illegals as we did before.
The question is; does this country need another ghetto?
Before you call me a racist/right wing SOB/Bush-lover. Let me be first to point out.
I am all for immigration.
People FIGHT long and hard to legally come to this country every day. Ive known people on lists for decades to get in. Do people simply forget about them? I guess screw them, theyre not smart enough to take swimming lessons, right?
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This just might be the dumbest thing I've ever read. No offense intended, of course,
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Si', I mean jes.
I'm so glad someone brought up the tax issue with illegals. Another problem along these lines are the payroll taxes withheld from ther checks. These are people donating tax money and never collecting! The outrage is where the money goes: to support welfare queens, deadbeats on SSI and old people sitting on their butts watching Matlock reruns. One of the first reforms needs to be taking illegals off the public trough by denying them the right to have payroll taxes deducted from their checks. As Americans, we all recognize the importance of paying taxes for the benefits of others but not ourselves.
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Any person who is willing to risk life, limp, or imprisonment to live even a tiny piece of the American dream is a pretty impressive individual. These peopel travel thousands of miles in hazardous conditions to support their families and live a better life.
That's about the most impressive thing they can do.
What did you risk to get part of the American dream?
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all i am asking is that they sign the f'n book on their way in and respect the laws of our country. We have to do it when we go to their country for vacation. I am sure I wouldn't be accomadated they way they are up here. They should be paying into that "american dream" not living off of my tax dollars, etc.
Come over legally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go through the system like my ancestors had to do. Learn the english language. So that our teachers aren't wasting all of their time with them and our children fall to the wayside and not get the attention they deserve also.
Come over legally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go through the system like my ancestors had to do. Learn the english language. So that our teachers aren't wasting all of their time with them and our children fall to the wayside and not get the attention they deserve also.
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It's not unreasonable to ask that...however, you need to set up a system to allow it to happen. Right now we don't have an adequate system for that.
nothing like the people who think everyone on welfare is a bum.
look, the whole immigration issue is VERY complicated. On one hand, you've got millions of people living in the US who shouldn't be here. On the other hand, if they were to become citizens, another whole set of problems would emerge because there would be millions of people claiming welfare, health benefits, schooling, social security, etc. It's a delicate equilibrium, and really, you can argue for either side and not be wrong. Don't let them in at all? Makes sense. After all, they are breaking the law. However, as previously mentioned, who's going to do all the manual labor that Americans won't do for $3 an hour. Amnesty? Makes sense, right? Just have all the illegal immigrants become legal ones, and don't let it happen from there on out. Well, then you've got to support them. Add that to the fact that they have to be paid minimum wage.
The list goes on and on. The sensible solution is probably one in the middle.
look, the whole immigration issue is VERY complicated. On one hand, you've got millions of people living in the US who shouldn't be here. On the other hand, if they were to become citizens, another whole set of problems would emerge because there would be millions of people claiming welfare, health benefits, schooling, social security, etc. It's a delicate equilibrium, and really, you can argue for either side and not be wrong. Don't let them in at all? Makes sense. After all, they are breaking the law. However, as previously mentioned, who's going to do all the manual labor that Americans won't do for $3 an hour. Amnesty? Makes sense, right? Just have all the illegal immigrants become legal ones, and don't let it happen from there on out. Well, then you've got to support them. Add that to the fact that they have to be paid minimum wage.
The list goes on and on. The sensible solution is probably one in the middle.
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Well, this is the best way to think of it. Businesses need the labor, if they did not they would not hire these people. If there are no jobs to come to, people will not come here illegally.
Your problem is that there is no avenue for people who need basic work to come here. There simply isnt.
I am not exactly advocating a guest worker program like Germany or France though. That has led to a complete lack of assimilation of the workers and tons of internal strife (like riots and car burnings).
i think its safe to say the illegals that are hear for a better life and respect the laws of the land should be able to come legaly . the bad thing is you cant diferintiate the ones that are comeing here to prey on americans and breaking every law in the book. its kind of like droping the nuke if you could just kill all the bad guys and the good guys dont get hurt it would have already been done
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Not only should it be electrified, but we should have a white militia with guns patrolling the fence. O wait a minute ....
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Hey, can we (whitey) help it if we're the only ones not too lazy to get off our asses and do some patrollin'? Gonna git sum, git sum......
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There is a lot of Hispanic guards also. When I was in the Marines and we would be out in the field doing a shoot, we would catch quite a few Illegals trying to sneak in, and when we took them in, there was always a hispanic border patrolmen at the station to talk to these people.
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Ok Hammer please elaborate because you sound like the dumbest person on this site!!!!!
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I would not classify them as a redneck miltia group either. Yes they are mostly white americans, but there is also some blacks that are part of that group. I think they are a group of americans that are fed up with our gov't not doing enough to protect the border. To me, I think that is a wonderful thing that a group of americans are willing to go down there, help out the understaffed border patrol, help out the farmers in the south whose fences are being destroyed and losing some of their livestock because illegals are sneaking into our country.
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Actually your tax dollars are paying for Haliburton and Bush's friend' to have a war for some oil Bush Sr couldn't get the first time.
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i suggest you go back and check what the first gulf war was about, it wasn't about doing a reigme change in iraq, it was about getting Iraq out of Kuwait. Another left wing conspiracy that this war is about making the VP money from Haliburton.
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The first gulf war was about stopping Iraq from taking over the middle east. Hussein wanted Kuwait's and Saudi Arabia's oil fields so that he could create an oil empire which would be used to finance Baathist ends............
Kuwait was an ally, but ideologically speaking, they are the same ass-holes everyone else in the region is.. the only difference is that they didn't have imperialistic ambitions and they were friendly with western clients. So it was about oil. But it was a war that had to be fought.
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A few questions to play asshole here:
1) Why aren't we also putting a fence/fences on our northern border? Haven't we had more terrorist action on that border? I realize that this is also about immigration, but if you read the newly enacted law, it falls under the Department of Homeland Security and is rife with language about the fight on terror.
2) Why are we making new laws on this issue rather than enforcing existing ones? Afterall, isn't it illegal to employ anyone without asking that a W-2 be completed and that subsequent payroll taxes be paid by both employee and employer? Why not go after the employers of illegals who are trying to subvert the system? Remove the demand for the worker arriving without papers and working for less than minimum wage and begin to stem the flow of said workers. Could it be that politicians are using this faux issue for votes and don't want to offend potential voters by going after them?
3) What was that derogatory term associated with Italian immigrants at Ellis Island at the end of the 19th Century? I believe it was WOP - for without papers. Written right on the foreheads of said immigrants before sending them not home, but over o New York City to start a new life. But that can't be, can it? Afterall, someone here mentioned that this new wave of immigrants should follow the rules like other American forefathers did.
Now for an asshole opinion....the question shouldn't be whether the fence should be electrified or not, rather what voltage should be attatched to the gonads of the cretin who suggested it in the first place. The idea isn't to harm individuals looking for a better life, rather syem the tide of immigration using a non-violent method. A fence is foolish, but at least it isn't overtly harmful to anyone. To suggest electrifying it is inhumane.
1) Why aren't we also putting a fence/fences on our northern border? Haven't we had more terrorist action on that border? I realize that this is also about immigration, but if you read the newly enacted law, it falls under the Department of Homeland Security and is rife with language about the fight on terror.
2) Why are we making new laws on this issue rather than enforcing existing ones? Afterall, isn't it illegal to employ anyone without asking that a W-2 be completed and that subsequent payroll taxes be paid by both employee and employer? Why not go after the employers of illegals who are trying to subvert the system? Remove the demand for the worker arriving without papers and working for less than minimum wage and begin to stem the flow of said workers. Could it be that politicians are using this faux issue for votes and don't want to offend potential voters by going after them?
3) What was that derogatory term associated with Italian immigrants at Ellis Island at the end of the 19th Century? I believe it was WOP - for without papers. Written right on the foreheads of said immigrants before sending them not home, but over o New York City to start a new life. But that can't be, can it? Afterall, someone here mentioned that this new wave of immigrants should follow the rules like other American forefathers did.
Now for an asshole opinion....the question shouldn't be whether the fence should be electrified or not, rather what voltage should be attatched to the gonads of the cretin who suggested it in the first place. The idea isn't to harm individuals looking for a better life, rather syem the tide of immigration using a non-violent method. A fence is foolish, but at least it isn't overtly harmful to anyone. To suggest electrifying it is inhumane.