Is Stewie Mandel of si.com a hater?

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I don't think he is a hater. He's just another lonely Sportswriter who had the "brilliant" idea of taking a shot at Charlie and answering Charlie's hypothetical question about how the polls work. Very original Mr. Mandel, now get in line with DJ Gallo and that other anonymous geek from The Sporting News.

They can spout off now all they want. ND wins out and goes 11-1 and they are in a BCS bowl. They go 10-2 and they will probably still be in a BCS bowl. Mandel is just another writer taking his shot when the opportunity arises. At least his article wasn;t just an obnoxious hatchet job like Gallo and the Sporting News guy.
 
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10-2 and we are in Jacksonville or Dallas. We will drop out of the at-large option at that point because voters will say we lost to the two best teams on our schedule and struggled to beat lesser opponents (read MSU and UCLA).

Weis knew what he was doing. There is now a discussion in the media about where ND deserves to be. If we win out, that's enough.

If we give voters any reason to doubt us, they will, given our performance this year.
 

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Mandel is historically a hater, yes.

All Weis does is win. He'll continue winning.


But this is how it works with these loser sportswriters. They hate you, so they rank you lower than you should be ranked. Then you complain about it, and they take that as just another opportunity to pile on and hate you.

But as I said- Weis will just keep winning. If they hate him now, wait till a couple years from now.
 
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I've considered Mandel a hater for a long time. So I don't read his stuff anymore.
 
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Mandel defended ND plenty last season. He isnt a hater. He's quite objective -if you follow him. He even admitted of ranking ND #2 preseason. I really could care less about the particular articLe atm. Every year we go through this ranking hogwash. Either its ND or some other.

Now, One thing (as I said before) Notre Dame was ranked #2 at one point this season. Notre Dame relinquished that position because Notre Dame failed on the field. To sit here and argue over 'why' is petty and.... essentially....retarded.. Notre Dame needs to go out and win. Not leave it in the coaches hands to decide 'how good' they really are. Its Notres Dame's task.

No one elses.

As for teams ahead of us; TO BE HONEST, I have not a single doubt ND can beat Lousiville, WVA, Tenn, AND Auburn. They dont impress me. BTW, Fredo is no cupcake.
 

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The point is that Notre Dame IS going out there and winning, and has been for weeks, and yet is in the same spot it was after the Michigan game.
 
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No. The point IS that we arent undefeated and the only team on that list that got waxed at home. Yeah, we keep on winning. Yeah, the process of ranking is screwed up. THIS IS NOTHING NEW. What Weis and co. should do is; STFU and win. I dont give a crap about people not giving us respect. The only way we can get it, is if we force the nation to concede. We received to much at the beginning of the season and havent handle our schedule. The sense of entitlement we as ND fans have come to demand is amazing.

11-1-were in the BCS no matter what. For people to sit here and question retarded midseason rankings is utterly retarded. Why dont you sit there and say, 'were going to have the last laugh if we beat the #2 team in the nation?

If we dont beat USC we dont deserve the BCS. So all this ranking conversation is moot.
 
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Let me throw something out there.

There is no doubt in my head (as crazy as this may sound) We have the potentiaL to beat any team in the nation. I still think we can beat scUM.

I was at the scUM game. I saw what happened. I was sitting there at the half ready for the comeback. NOT because I think scUM sucks. Not because I think were godly. BUT, because we have potential to score on anyone. That game will NEVER be forgotten. It pains me to even think about the turnovers. BUT IT HAPPENED. So, I see our ranking. I see our wins. I see that door break open with trolls and haters ready to feast. They CAN throw such taunts. We didnt deliver.

Can we all just sit back and look at our tasks and finish the job? Let the cannon fodder fly, while we just win.


Go Irish.
 
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ONE LAST THING!!!!!!!!!


YOu have to sit there and take what im saying for whats it worth.

My other team, just lost to an 83 win team, in game 7, AT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!

I need this man.

I need wins.


I DIDNT care what my teams power ranking was during the season, and I dont care what ND's is.
 

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No. The point IS that we arent undefeated and the only team on that list that got waxed at home. Yeah, we keep on winning. Yeah, the process of ranking is screwed up. THIS IS NOTHING NEW. What Weis and co. should do is; STFU and win.


Do you just not read other people's posts, or what? Weis and Co. HAVE "shut up and won" and they've been treading water in the polls despite it. Maybe this week when we kill Navy we don't get jumped by anybody, and maybe jump someone, because what Weis said is on people's minds.
 
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Do you just not read other people's posts, or what? Weis and Co. HAVE "shut up and won" and they've been treading water in the polls despite it. Maybe this week when we kill Navy we don't get jumped by anybody, and maybe jump someone, because what Weis said is on people's minds.

Clearly you have major issues reading.

The whole point of the damn article is that Weis was bitching about our ranking. If you dont understand what 'Shut up and win', is, than I just simply cannot help you.
 
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10-2 can get ND in a BCS bowl game. I don't care if people think they don't deserve it. ND just needs to finish in the top 14 I believe of the BCS rankings to be eligible. At that point, greed comes into play. Ratings come into play. All the reasons everyone hates ND come into play. If a BCS Bowl can take ND, they will usually. Especially if their opponent is an interesting match-up.

Plus, I think ND will be 11-1 anyway, so the point is moot.

9-2 got ND in last year. What's the difference? The Michigan game? I guess Auburn should be out too then. They got waxed at home by Arkansas.
 
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No. The point IS that we arent undefeated and the only team on that list that got waxed at home.

Auburn got waxed at home by Arkansas.

I don't care if CW speaks his mind. Voters that don't like ND won't like them no matter what CW says. Voters that do like ND will just agree with CW anyway. So I have no problem with a guy answering a question and speaking his mind. Rather that than some politically correct "humble" mouse who's just happy to be here.
 

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Mandel has been an enigma for quite some time. He was very sympathetic to Nd last year and the start of this year. He has also been somewhat favorable to all the major teams. I consider him to be a sellout of sorts. I don't know what he truly feels because his writing is carefully orchestrated to conform to current trends (the current trend being a near universal and justifiable condemnation of Weis' comment)
 

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Clearly you have major issues reading.

The whole point of the damn article is that Weis was bitching about our ranking. If you dont understand what 'Shut up and win', is, than I just simply cannot help you.

thank you. charlie should just worry about navy. the polls will work themselves out.
 

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It really is that simple and I'm sure it bothers the hell out of people. but all they can do is keep winning every game they play and the rest falls into place around them.

Like Andrew Dice Clay once said, "As long as it is 75 degrees and sunny in my backyard, I don't give a *&%# about the weather."
 
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Clearly you have major issues reading.

The whole point of the damn article is that Weis was bitching about our ranking. If you dont understand what 'Shut up and win', is, than I just simply cannot help you.


If my understanding of the context was right, I believe he was asked a question to which he gave his honest opinion. If it's not what you believe then so be it. It should also be pointed out that he was not being 100% serious when he said these things. There is a video on Irishillustrated where he responds to criticisms of his comments which explains this.
 

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I don't know what he truly feels because his writing is carefully orchestrated to conform to current trends (the current trend being a near universal and justifiable condemnation of Weis' comment)

ahh, yes. a product of the sound byte age where we can conveniently pluck quotes and facts as we please, spreading half-truths and twisting the meaning until it fits our own version of what we'd like to believe. had you, or any of the fans and media that have their undies all twisted over this, actually taken the time to watch the 'infamous' press conference or read the transcript, you'd know that weis' quote is being used against him unfairly, and it's been stripped of any of it's original context.

similar to the old story about the english professor that asks his students to punctuate the sentence: "woman without her man is nothing." how did the students respond?

the men: "woman, without her man, is nothing."

the women: "woman, without her, man is nothing."

see victors? it's easy to twist meaning when you don't have to deal with context and intent. BUT, on the off chance that you actually care to understand weis' comments more fully, below is an account of the story from somebody who was actually in the room when it was spoken.

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http://www.nbcsports.com/cfb/242638/detail.html

Ted Robinson, the sportscaster and Notre Dame alumnus, was a contemporary of Weis' in their undergrad days. Robinson tells the story of how Weis never really did any extracurricular activities on campus until his senior year, when he tried out for a sports-talk radio gig at the campus radio station (WVFI, I believe). "I hired Charlie," says Robinson. "It was unusual to hire a guy who hadn't worked his way up before senior year. But nobody could stump Charlie on sports trivia."

When you listen to that story, you understand why Weis, when he feels like it, relates so well to the media. Because he comes from that background, at least psychologically. He understands the territory. He realizes, as well, that when the coach at Notre Dame says anything even close to controversial, that it's national news. Which is why he rarely flies in that airspace.

Today he did, momentarily, and it became an Associated Press story that ran on the homepages of NBCSports.com, SI.com and ESPN.com. If you just read the quotes as they ran in the story, Weis sounds as if he's ranting:

"One of the teams (Tennessee) that jumped us had the same game that we had. They're down, they're playing at home and they win by a field goal. Another team (Florida) that jumped us wasn't even playing. They were home eating cheeseburgers and they end up jumping us. That befuddles me. …"Tell me how that works? Maybe I'm just stupid. Tell me how that works?"

Jamie Squire/Getty ImagesBob Stoops has been known to voice his displeasure with certain officiating calls.
In truth, for those of us in attendance, it was a funny moment. The writer who asked the question was the AP reporter Tom Coyne. The sentence that Coyne did not include in his piece was was the next thing Weis said. The ND coach looked directly at Coyne and said wryly, "You're on the AP, tell me how that works."

Everyone in the room laughed. Which is to say that behind most coaches or players who make provocative statements, be it Bob Stoops complaining about officials or some player guaranteeing a victory, there's usually a question from a reporter. And more often than not it's difficult to appreciate the context of the quote unless you are there or unless you hear it in its enitirety. Which is another reason why it's educational to read the entire transcript.

If you only read the AP story, you may think that Weis has an agenda, that he's bitching because the Irish are falling further and further out of the BCS championship game picture. But listen to what he said immediately after Coyne answered his question by saying, "I don't get a vote."

Here's Weis:

"Hey -- let's be very practical here, okay. Would I love for Notre Dame to play for the National Championship this year? Absolutely. Is it a chance that it happens? Remote. Is there a chance? Yeah, there's a chance because any team with one loss has a chance of playing for it.

Now, a lot of things have to happen now, okay. A lot of things have to happen. But is there a chance? I'd say there's a chance. It's remote. Would you agree with that? It's remote, but would you say there's a chance? Remote.

Other than that, what's the next thing you want? Well, you'd like to play in one of the big games. So what do you have to do? Then you have to win. That's what you have to do. If you win, things usually end up taking care of themselves."


I counted four remotes. I don't think for a moment that Charlie Weis, the encyclopedic football coach, the former college sports-talk deejay, believes that his team deserves to play in the national championship game or will play in it. I know that I don't. On the other hand, there's still nearly half a season left to play, so why toe-tag the patient while he still has a pulse? There's no benefit to Weis or the team that he's paid to coach in announcing a time of death on Notre Dame's national championship hopes on Oct. 23.

More importantly, the news conference/AP story is a sweet lesson in the news cycle. If I hadn't been there, if I'd only read the AP story, I would have thought Weis was a ranting crybaby who had blinders on as to where his team really belongs (in fact, when someone asked him if in his opinion the Irish were a top-10 team, he replied, "I think we'll know that in about five weeks." And, after all, that's the only time when the ranking will really matter).

But if you were there, you know that the whole exchange was light-hearted and that Weis harbors no delusions about whether the Irish will be playing in the national championship game. At least not unless some bizarre things transpire. Remember, he had a good view of the game back on Sept. 16.
 

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Mandel has been an enigma for quite some time. He was very sympathetic to Nd last year and the start of this year. He has also been somewhat favorable to all the major teams. I consider him to be a sellout of sorts. I don't know what he truly feels because his writing is carefully orchestrated to conform to current trends (the current trend being a near universal and justifiable condemnation of Weis' comment)


http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/show...3453#post63453
 
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ahh, yes. a product of the sound byte age where we can conveniently pluck quotes and facts as we please, spreading half-truths and twisting the meaning until it fits our own version of what we'd like to believe. had you, or any of the fans and media that have their undies all twisted over this, actually taken the time to watch the 'infamous' press conference or read the transcript, you'd know that weis' quote is being used against him unfairly, and it's been stripped of any of it's original context.

Great post. Unfortunately, vv didn't make it past the first paragraph. First, he doesn't have the vocabulary to understand half of it. Second, there are no pictures. Third, his attention span for reading anything that isn't a comic book is as short as the list of skunkbear fans that realize that having a bunch of criminals play in a place called "The Big House" is ironic and probably not the best thing to call their stadium.
 
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Weis deserves the criticism. I am all for him not blowing out or running up the score on teams. I am all for showing opponents CLASS. I am all for him showing grit, too!

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REGARDLESS if his point is valid. Regardless if his words were twisted. Regardless if he believes it or not.

I SIMPLY DO NOT WANT MY COACH CRYING ABOUT A RANKING. If Notre Dame was undefeated and we lost a slot. YEAH, id be pissed. BUT I WOULDNT let the world see me cry about it. We got waxed at home. Effectively giving the haters a forum to ridicule.

Weis UNDERSTANDS this. Understands the HATE of Notre Dame. Why play into their hands and try to make people feel for us?

We need Drew Rosenhaus for the next sunday wrap up.
 
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I think Weis did this to a) make our ranking an issue for discussion (like a politician floating a trial balloon), and b) to put everyone's pressure on HIM rather than on the players. The Two Bills do that as well.

Given how much in love everyone was with Clemson before last night, we all need to take a breath and realize that the media are about as logical, consistent and predictable as a tornado. Like the Eagles said, "they will never forget you 'til somebody new comes along."
 
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I think Weis did this to a) make our ranking an issue for discussion (like a politician floating a trial balloon), and b) to put everyone's pressure on HIM rather than on the players. The Two Bills do that as well.

To devious of a plot. Im not buying it.
 
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To devious of a plot. Im not buying it.

Then you'd be wrong. College football is like a political campaign. Always gotta have your face in the public eye...especially when you feel like you're being slighted or others are wronging you. If others are trying to put you in a bad light, dispute it and give evidence to support your story. Charlie did just that.

The man has a method to his madness...I live in Suckeye country (Cleveland) and obviously we get our fair share of TOSU coverage (till you're ready to puke at times...) however, low and behold...usually half the talk is about Notre Dame be it in the local fish wrap or on local sports radio. We're relevant...Charlie knows that and others are gonna talk about us...in Cleveland and nationally. Things will eventually even out in the end...but only if we win out.
 
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