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PANDFAN said:
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Looking at the rating realistically, most times the 4 & 5* players don't pan out

That's not true regarding 5stars especially as their bust rate is far less,now we had a few in recent memory crist,Aldridge and some higher ranked 4stars but in general they are far less likely not to...just check recent nfl drafts
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(Quote referring to ND's recruits)

Looking at Alabama's recruiting classes from 2008-11 to determine their success rate for 4 or 5 star recruits, the results are:


  • -- 58 of their 105 enrollees (55%) were 4 or 5 stars over that period
  • -- of those 58, 18 (31%) did not finish at Alabama - transfers, suspension and one medical
  • -- I did not include Early entrants (4 or 5 stars) to the NFL draft (10) since they can be consider successful
  • -- If you are a 4 or 5 star at Alabama and are not successful after your redshirt Soph season, you end up transferring.
It would be interesting to calculate ND's percentage for a relative comparison. But since ND gives, in effect, a four year scholarship, you would have to define success differently.
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Legacy said:
PANDFAN said:
(Quote referring to ND's recruits)

Looking at Alabama's recruiting classes from 2008-11 to determine their success rate for 4 or 5 star recruits, the results are:


  • -- 58 of their 105 enrollees (55%) were 4 or 5 stars over that period
  • -- of those 58, 18 (31%) did not finish at Alabama - transfers, suspension and one medical
  • -- I did not include Early entrants (4 or 5 stars) to the NFL draft (10) since they can be consider successful
  • -- If you are a 4 or 5 star at Alabama and are not successful after your redshirt Soph season, you end up transferring.
It would be interesting to calculate ND's percentage for a relative comparison. But since ND gives, in effect, a four year scholarship, you would have to define success differently.
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Great data, any chance you are working on ND #s?
We have had a fair number of defections... and what would you do with the Crists and Walkers who left after 4 to finish somewhere else.
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Great data, any chance you are working on ND #s?
We have had a fair number of defections... and what would you do with the Crists and Walkers who left after 4 to finish somewhere else.
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Here's ND's data for same period (classes 2008-11):

-- Of 87 recruits, 42 were four or five stars (48%)
-- Of those 42, we had 3 transfers - Lynch, Bullard, Shaq Evans, and 1 medical - Cam Robinson)
-- So, 38 of the 42 (90%) finished four years at ND or were Early Entrees

So you can see that colleges that, in effect, give four year scholarships may need to have a different measure for success than a program like Alabama.

Looking at just one position
Alabama had five (4 or 5*) QB commitments over those four years out of the total of five QB commits. Three of the five transferred. (40% success in staying)

ND had one (4 or 5*) QB recruits of the five QBs over the same period (Crist). (100%)

Of course, at TE, ND had 6 of their 7 recruits with 4 or 5 * over that period. Fauria transferred, but we have had Rudolph, Eifert, Niklas and now Koyack and Welch.

Hope that helps to illustrate a difference and the challenges in measuring success.
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