Ronald Talley leaves Notre Dame football team

LOVEMYIRISH

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I wonder if it's getting to a point where members of that class are just dropping because their classmates have dropped? I mean, it probably seems like they're not needed with all the talent above and below them, and a lot of the kids they came in with aren't there anymore. I know it's probably not the main reason, but it could be one.

It's an interesting theory. However, if you look at the talent level its incredibly low that year (by star ratings). I am not surprised to see many leave. They were also recruited by Ty and got Weis. He does not always rub people the right way...so maybe that has something to do with it.

I suspect the class from 2004 was just really low in talent and they all saw the writing on the wall.
 

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yea, but Talley and Hoskins weren't exactly low talent guys. I don't think that's the only reason. I think it would be very rough to have some of your best friends leaving.
 
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talley was extremely well liked kid on campus, even a fan favorite. I forget what dorm he was in but there were tshirts all over the place with his "mug shot" on the back that said Play like Ronald Talley Today.
I've heard funny stories from other students about his less than FBI caliber sneaking of girls out of his room, something all of us (ND guys during the coed years) have done at least once or twice. it's probably harder when your a huge football player with cornrows walking down the hall with a girl hidden in a hooded sweatshirt. I'm hoping it wasn't something as stupid as that.

Hopefully he stays at ND as a student and eventually gets reinstated to the team or he is sucessful whereever he transfers
 

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I would think it would have to be either discipline or grade related at this point.

To leave in the middle of a season means something not good went down. If he was thinking about transferring because of personality conflict/playing time issues you would do that at the beginning of a year and not burn a year of eligiblity.

I was just looking at the D Line for 2007 early today and I said to myself "Well atleast we have Talley". So much for that.

Hey Charlie - I have fours of eligiblity left. I'm a little old, a lot slow, but I'll add depth and that's something you don't have.
 

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talley was extremely well liked kid on campus, even a fan favorite. I forget what dorm he was in but there were tshirts all over the place with his "mug shot" on the back that said Play like Ronald Talley Today.
I've heard funny stories from other students about his less than FBI caliber sneaking of girls out of his room, something all of us (ND guys during the coed years) have done at least once or twice. it's probably harder when your a huge football player with cornrows walking down the hall with a girl hidden in a hooded sweatshirt. I'm hoping it wasn't something as stupid as that.

Hopefully he stays at ND as a student and eventually gets reinstated to the team or he is sucessful whereever he transfers


He's from Alumni. Everyone who lives in his hall (or the halls directly above or below) lives in Talley Alley. They're the ones with the shirts. He sure is popular with them.
 

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yea, but Talley and Hoskins weren't exactly low talent guys. I don't think that's the only reason. I think it would be very rough to have some of your best friends leaving.

They were 3 stars...not 4. They could go either way...
 
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Well, I don't know why he is leaving...but I wish him all the success in the world.
He's just a kid and I hope wherever he goes he finds what he is looking for or needs.

On second thought...much better than my crass reply.
 

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On second thought...much better than my crass reply.

He's just a kid. For good or for ill...he's making a big decision in his life and we don't know why or what is in his heart... And for 3 years he has been at ND...so he's most likely not a lowlife that is getting tossed out on his butt.

So we can only wish him the best in his future endeavors.
 
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I wish Talley the best. As for the d-line, Mo Richardson should get a lot more playing time now.
 

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Just a quick thought.......

Just a quick thought.......

Regardless of how of the comments of being a "thug" or what star player he was, the bottom line is that we are definitely hurting on our line now. But, according the the article I read, it was a mutual decision between Talley and the school, which would lead me to believe that it was a academics or discipline decision. I may be way off base but if he was leaving because of lack of starting ( although I lbelieve he starting four games this year) or something to do with the football team itself, I don't believe it would have said the school agreed with the decision this early in the story time-line. He may have been popular and I don't believe he was a thug, but we should wait on calling out our opinions until the story actually gets out.

Now if we can get by UCLA with one less D-lineman, hopefully we can cruise through the schedule and get some new faces some experience until SC.
 

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From dead end to defensive end
September 21, 2006

BY VAUGHN MCCLURE Sun-Times

The Detroit streets were Ronald Talley's comfort zone, his way of life.

His friends were gang members. He knew the drug dealers. And Talley was the target of gunfire on more than one occasion.

''I got caught up in so many situations that could've really messed me up,'' the Notre Dame defensive end said in his deep, intimidating tone. ''I'm real fortunate to be able to be here living right now.''

As the Irish head to Michigan State on Saturday in East Lansing, Mich. -- 90 miles west of Detroit -- Talley reflected on being raised in one of America's toughest, most crime-ridden cities. And this is no story about an angelic kid who escaped the ghetto.

''I've done so many bad things, so many negative things on the streets,'' he said as he rubbed his braids. ''Getting caught up was something that I took a risk with.''

To understand Talley, you have to understand his surroundings.

He grew up in the northwest district of Detroit, an area one police official said has had 250 shootings this year alone. Talley has watched bullets pierce the bodies of others numerous times.

''I've seen so much,'' Talley said, ''I can't get too deep about it.''

Max McFadden, Talley's best friend, remembered one night after a party when a group of guys came to the Coney Island fast-food restaurant and fired a shot at Talley's car. McFadden and Talley were not in the vehicle.

''Anger, of course, is the first thing that comes to mind, and Talley already is a mean person,'' McFadden said. ''At that second, so many things went through our minds. But we both knew we weren't trying to end up dead.

''And I know Talley cares too much about his mother to let something like that happen.''

Talley agreed that his mother, Tina Turner (not the singer), is his driving force. She reluctantly let him play football at age 11, figuring it would keep him out of trouble. And if that failed, the stories she told him from her days as a correctional officer at the Wayne County Jail were sure to scare him straight.

''It was always just her and I, and we communicated a lot about staying strong, doing the right things,'' Talley said. ''She knew I always was real aggressive and that I knew everybody in the streets. But she built me up so much that I felt if I fell off, I would be giving up on her.''

Sports were Talley's diversion. He played football and basketball at Renaissance High School, concentrating solely on football after the 10th grade. He did well in the classroom at a school considered one of Detroit's better academic institutions.

But Talley still had that street in him, still had that anger.

''I remember Talley came in here about 6-foot-4, 210 pounds as a freshman, the upperclassmen were trying to pick on him, and Talley wasn't having it,'' said Antonio Watts, Talley's position coach at Renaissance. ''He got into a fight in the cafeteria and broke his hand on someone's jaw, didn't play for a game or two. He was always getting into fights, getting suspended.

''We had to show him that you couldn't bring that same aggressive behavior that you have on the football field into school.''

Watts said maturity set in around Talley's sophomore year, when he started leaving some of his gang-banger friends behind. By his senior year, Talley blossomed into a Division I talent wooed by the Irish and Iowa.

''Why did I pick Notre Dame? Because it offered the complete package,'' Talley said. ''It wasn't so much about getting out of Detroit.''

Talley, who now weighs 262, continues to develop into his role after not playing as a freshman. The junior splits time with Chris Frome, though Talley is listed as the starter.

''He has to get quicker with his pass rush,'' said Watts, who attended the Michigan game.

''If Ronald is going to have a pro future, he's going to have to play three-technique [defensive tackle].''

If football is not in Talley's future, he already has a game plan.

His majors are film, television and theater, as well as computer applications, and he earned a 3.0 GPA last fall. He wants to be a movie producer, in the mold of John Singleton or Quentin Tarantino.

Talley's autobiography would make an interesting story.

''In Detroit, it's real life,'' he said. ''It's not a movie.''

vmcclure@suntimes.com

-- Sun-Times News Group
 
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What I really hope is that he finishes school. 3.0? That translates that the young lad works hard on the books. Sure beats my Blutarsky-esque 2.2 from old IU....haaa.
 

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This sucks. As if we didn't already have depth issues. Oh well......I wish him the best. Sometimes things just don't work out. That's life.
 

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Key contributors from that class for this year and next:

Darius Walker, Leo Ferrine, Terrail Lambert and Maurice Crum. All others are either gone or named Vernaglia or Bragg.

Terrible.
 
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This is a shocker. Beyond Frome, no one has meaningful minutes at DE this yr. Justin Brown has 78 min PT from last yr, but hasn't seen the field this yr. Mo Richardson and Ryan have seen spot minutes, less than 15 for either of them, and I don't believe either is ready for major back-up minutes. I think all of Stevenson's minutes are on special teams. Looking ahead, RDE is going to be very interesting; I suspect UCLA will be interested, too.
 
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Hello Kallen Wade

okay,that's fine,but how do you know he would just come in and start being productive right off the bat?

Be unfortunate enough to get a key injury in a close game this year and talley's absence could be a determining factor in the outcome of a game.He's played in the system for 2 years now,not just practiced in it,and wasn't that bad of a player.
 

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I have to say, "thug" carries a whole lot of meaning and prejudices with it. I personally never saw anything about Talley that made him anymore a "thug" than someone like Zibby. You think anyone would ever call Zibby a "thug"?

I really don't think so. If he were black, there would be a better chance of it.

So when you "explain" him leaving the team by using the term "thug", it comes across as racist IMO. I'm obviously not labeling anything. But it's obvious to most people that "thug" is a slang term for a lot of people in more predominantly African-American urban systems.



So he "looked" like a thug? That pretty much cements the stereotype. He is a big black guy. And that "look" had something to do with explaining why it didn't work out with him and ND football?


Was he articulate?
 

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well it's going to be very interesting to see who gets more playing time between,Ryan,Wade,Richardson!! One of them will step up and take the starting role!
 
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Quit the racist shit!! It is always the same argument. If the first thing you think is "that guy must be black" when you here the word thug, and then you go and post on here, you are racist yourself. If people could get the idea that people are always assuming racism than this shit wouldn't happen. It has ruined another thread.

We are all domers no matter what color. Who Cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Thug

1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims.


No mention of black or white? What? Huh?
 

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I don't know...
What this world's gonna bring...
But I know one thing...
This is the life for me...
Baby cause I'm a thug
All day every day
Wouldn't change for the world
 

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This whole "issue" is not even an issue to me at all.
1. If Talley made the decision to leave on his own - it is his free will and lets leave it at that.
2. This is a great opportunity with the upcoming opponents to get the red shirts off some guys and get some experience.

3. I do not feel one way or the other about Talley leaving, nothing the Irish can do about it. Just move on.

Concerning the "Thug" comment - I disagree that the term Thug is associated with the color of your skin. I do not want Thugs at ND - by saying this I mean

1. I never want to see ND players arrested for rape, prank calls, shoplifting, or riding around with and arsenal wearing bullet proof vests - running from the cops.

2. I never want ND labeled as a Football factory with a Graduation rate of 60% or below.

3. I never want ND to let Football Players, who cannot do simple algebra, get into college just because they run a 4.3 - 40 time.

And Finally

4. I never want a Coach at ND to turn a blind eye to any player who does not represent not only the team in professional manner, but the university as well.

leppy
 
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Hear Hear leppy many rep points...
I also hate it when the racism card is played...Lord that is so old. a thug is a thug color doesn't matter...and we don't know if that was the case anyway...sorry to see him leave hope nothing but the best for him...move on!
 
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