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this just came out on espn. very good news, but does this poll impact the bcs at all?

Week 7 USA Today Poll
1. Ohio State (62) 6-0 1,574
2. USC 5-0 1,461
3. Florida (1) 6-0 1,412
4. West Virginia 5-0 1,398
5. Michigan 6-0 1,358
6. Texas 5-1 1,240
7. Louisville 5-0 1,207
8. Notre Dame 5-1 1,044
9. Tennessee 5-1 1,031
10. Auburn 5-1 958
11. California 5-1 911
12. Clemson 5-1 899
13. Iowa 5-1 672
14. Georgia 5-1 661
15. Georgia Tech 5-1 592
16. LSU 4-2 565
17. Virginia Tech 4-1 523
18. Oregon 4-1 510
19. Boise State 6-0 472
20. Nebraska 5-1 460
21. Missouri 6-0 387
22. Oklahoma 3-2 268
23. Arkansas 4-1 264
24. Rutgers 5-0 261
25. Boston College 4-1 108
 

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how does usc do it they basicaly were handed the game by the refs damn near still lost and they stay at 2 unreal on a high note im extatic to only see one floridian team on thier lol i know about 50 people that either like miami or fsu let me tell you its a great day to live in florida special with florida in the sec
 
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yeah, for all you conspiracy theorists out there who assume you're too low, this poll confirms the unecessary hype and preference that you guys receive all time.

A lot of problems here. First, it's a travesty that Tennessee is not ahead of Nd. They have one loss, by one point. They blew out a good Georgia team and they beat Cal decisively at the beginning of the season. Even Irish fans must admit that Tennessee deserves to be higher.

Second, how did Iowa jump to #13? There are a host of teams below them that can blow them out. Iowa can't run the ball, nor do they have a good run defense. That's surprising.

Third, USC should not be that high. They had two close calls and they almost lost to Washington at home, which is really bad. I know they play close games in the Pac10 all the time because they have a huge target on their backs, but this is two consecutive weeks, and I think Florida and Michigan deserve to be ahead, at least for now.

And, of course, a team (West Virginia) who's played absolutely nobody is way too high in my opinion. Why not allow Louisville to be higher? At least they beat Miami.

Not that any of this matters. There's no way we'll be left out of the championship game if we go undefeated, and there's no way (based on the flawed 2 loss BCS guarentee Nd gets) that Nd gets shut out of the BCS provided that they take care of business against the cupcakes and then lose to USC.
 

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how does usc do it they basicaly were handed the game by the refs damn near still lost and they stay at 2 unreal on a high note im extatic to only see one floridian team on thier lol i know about 50 people that either like miami or fsu let me tell you its a great day to live in florida special with florida in the sec

Florida should be #2 in my opinion.
 
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If Michigan falls to OSU, we are likely to climb ahead of them- and that shouldn't be the case.
 

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VV- I agree with you on Tenn, but it's only 13 votes. I think the ranking is justified. Correct on West Virginia too, that's just getting old. Not sure that one win vs Georgia last year justifies them being ranked above Michigan or Louisville. I think Louisville will beat them.
However I think your points on ND getting favorable rankings and BCS considerations are flawed. You might not remeber in 1993 when ND beat FSU and then lost to BC, the pollsters decided FSU would play for the NC against Nebraska. And isn't a 2 loss ND team more worthy of a BCS bid as opposed to a 4 loss FSU team last year, or Pitt 2 years back. The entire system sucks, but I don't think a 2 loss ND team dosen't deserve to go to a BCS game compared to an Big East team or I'll even say an ACC team.
If I had to rank the top 5
1.OSU
2.Mich
3.Florida
4.USC
5.I can't say anyone else really belongs at this point.
 

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I would rank the top 10 this way:
1) OSU
2) Florida
3) Mich
4) Louisville
5) USC
6) Tenn
7) Texas
8) WV
9) Cal
10) ND
 
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Remember, USC blew out Arkansas who just beat Auburn. I agree USC should not be ranked as high as #2 though. My top 10:

1) Oh. St.
2) Florida
3) Michigan--just about #2b
4) USC--would you really put W. Virginia or Louisville ahead of them?
5) W. Viriginia
6) Louisville--for both W. Viriginia and Louisville, I know there are other teams that could beat them. I think ND is one of those teams. But they're both undefeated in a BCS conference. How do you deal with that?
7) Texas
8) Tennessee--I've been convinced by some of you that they should be ahead of ND.
10) California

Where would we put Boise St. and Missouri, who are both undefeated? Is Boise St. beating Oregon St. any less impressive than W. Virginia's best victory (over Maryland). Or Missouri's victory over Texas Tech.? We need a playoff.
 
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VV You make me laugh...typical SCUM fan.

I was going to respond to this post but I have decided I have already lost enough intelligence just reading the post.
 
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hey it will only make ND look better to the AP when USC is #2 and we come into Troy and beat them
 

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yeah, for all you conspiracy theorists out there who assume you're too low, this poll confirms the unecessary hype and preference that you guys receive all time.

A lot of problems here. First, it's a travesty that Tennessee is not ahead of Nd. They have one loss, by one point. They blew out a good Georgia team and they beat Cal decisively at the beginning of the season. Even Irish fans must admit that Tennessee deserves to be higher.

Second, how did Iowa jump to #13? There are a host of teams below them that can blow them out. Iowa can't run the ball, nor do they have a good run defense. That's surprising.

Third, USC should not be that high. They had two close calls and they almost lost to Washington at home, which is really bad. I know they play close games in the Pac10 all the time because they have a huge target on their backs, but this is two consecutive weeks, and I think Florida and Michigan deserve to be ahead, at least for now.

And, of course, a team (West Virginia) who's played absolutely nobody is way too high in my opinion. Why not allow Louisville to be higher? At least they beat Miami.

Not that any of this matters. There's no way we'll be left out of the championship game if we go undefeated, and there's no way (based on the flawed 2 loss BCS guarentee Nd gets) that Nd gets shut out of the BCS provided that they take care of business against the cupcakes and then lose to USC.


This is too funny. Victors. You do realize that you are responding to our ranking in the Coaches Poll.

Unless Charlie Weis was given a few extra votes, your conspiracy theory holds little water. This ranking was decided by the coaches of the Big Televen, SEC, Pac 10, etc. What reason would they have to over-hype ND?

And don't come to us about being ranked on hype. Michigan has earned their ranking this year. (And honestly, I'd put you 1 or 2 right now) But there have been years where you lost 3 or 4 only to be put solidly in the top 10 in the preseason polls, only to ruin that positioning again. I'd refer you the everydayshouldbesaturday's rules on preseason rankings.
 
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yeah, for all you conspiracy theorists out there who assume you're too low, this poll confirms the unecessary hype and preference that you guys receive all time.

A lot of problems here. First, it's a travesty that Tennessee is not ahead of Nd. They have one loss, by one point. They blew out a good Georgia team and they beat Cal decisively at the beginning of the season. Even Irish fans must admit that Tennessee deserves to be higher.

Second, how did Iowa jump to #13? There are a host of teams below them that can blow them out. Iowa can't run the ball, nor do they have a good run defense. That's surprising.

Third, USC should not be that high. They had two close calls and they almost lost to Washington at home, which is really bad. I know they play close games in the Pac10 all the time because they have a huge target on their backs, but this is two consecutive weeks, and I think Florida and Michigan deserve to be ahead, at least for now.

And, of course, a team (West Virginia) who's played absolutely nobody is way too high in my opinion. Why not allow Louisville to be higher? At least they beat Miami.

Not that any of this matters. There's no way we'll be left out of the championship game if we go undefeated, and there's no way (based on the flawed 2 loss BCS guarentee Nd gets) that Nd gets shut out of the BCS provided that they take care of business against the cupcakes and then lose to USC.


didn't about a week ago you said that you were GONE unles notre dame wins out?well,the season isn't over yet and i see your still posting
also,the other day you said usc deserved their ranking.I'll give you some benefit of the doubt since that was before they played washington,but you still want to add the close one with washington state in there too.

Not that any of this matters.I'm sure that when notre dame goes to a bcs game you will be still posting your crack pipe b.s on how notre dame will get blown out whoever they are playing.
 

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this just came out on espn. very good news, but does this poll impact the bcs at all?

Week 7 USA Today Poll
1. Ohio State (62) 6-0 1,574
2. USC 5-0 1,461
3. Florida (1) 6-0 1,412
4. West Virginia 5-0 1,398
5. Michigan 6-0 1,358
6. Texas 5-1 1,240
7. Louisville 5-0 1,207
8. Notre Dame 5-1 1,044
9. Tennessee 5-1 1,031
10. Auburn 5-1 958
11. California 5-1 911
12. Clemson 5-1 899
13. Iowa 5-1 672
14. Georgia 5-1 661
15. Georgia Tech 5-1 592
16. LSU 4-2 565
17. Virginia Tech 4-1 523
18. Oregon 4-1 510
19. Boise State 6-0 472
20. Nebraska 5-1 460
21. Missouri 6-0 387
22. Oklahoma 3-2 268
23. Arkansas 4-1 264
24. Rutgers 5-0 261
25. Boston College 4-1 108

For what its worth here is my stab at it:

1. OSU
2. Florida
3. Mich
4. WVU
5. Louisville
6. USC
7. Cal
8. ND
8. Tenn(tie)
10. Texas
 

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hey it will only make ND look better to the AP when USC is #2 and we come into Troy and beat them

Maybe I'm underestimating them, but I don't think it will happen. I think they lose to either Oregon or more likely Cal the week before ND. I know they haven't lost, but they don't look that impressive. Cal looked extremely impressive this week against Oregon. The backup RB was just as electrifying as Lynch. If we win out, we might even outrank USC going into the game.
 
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i have it

1.OSU
2.Florida
3.Michigan
4.USC
5. West Virginia
6.Louisville
7.Texas
8.Tennessee
9.Auburn
10. Notre Dame

i still think auburn is a good team. Beating LSU is no fluke, but yesterdays game hurt them a lot. As for ND, they struggled against GT, got blown out by Michigan, and struggled against MSU.
 

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i have it

1.OSU
2.Florida
3.Michigan
4.USC
5. West Virginia
6.Louisville
7.Texas
8.Tennessee
9.Auburn
10. Notre Dame

i still think auburn is a good team. Beating LSU is no fluke, but yesterdays game hurt them a lot. As for ND, they struggled against GT, got blown out by Michigan, and struggled against MSU.

Yeah and how did OSU look against PSU??? A win is a win is a win... 5-1 with a tough schedule no matter how you slice it.
 
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Yeah and how did OSU look against PSU??? A win is a win is a win... 5-1 with a tough schedule no matter how you slice it.

ok, take out the GT game to even it out. you still got blown out by michigan at home and needed an MSU meltdown to win.
 

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I'm not taking out GT. Close or not, it's a win over possibly the best team in the ACC.
 
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i have it

1.OSU
2.Florida
3.Michigan
4.USC
5. West Virginia
6.Louisville
7.Texas
8.Tennessee
9.Auburn
10. Notre Dame

i still think auburn is a good team. Beating LSU is no fluke, but yesterdays game hurt them a lot. As for ND, they struggled against GT, got blown out by Michigan, and struggled against MSU.

GT is pretty good, no shame in struggling against them, especially playing in that hostile environment . Too bad we didn't have the luxury of playing a Northern Illinois to open the season.

Your logic makes no sense, its fine if you think Auburn is a better team, but how can you have them only drop 7 spots after getting blownout by an unranked team, a team that only won 4 game last year. ND dropped about 10 spots after losing to a top 10 Michigan team.

Teams get punished in the polls for losing later in the year(Auburn) over teams that lose early in the year(ND) so why should ND be the exception, and not move ahead of teams that lose.
 

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Yeah, don't like the logic from OSU_Fan. Frankly, I also have no empathy at all for Auburn, whose coach had the audacity to sulk over his team's tough conference while overlooking a game in which he was literally run out of the stadium. However, if Auburn does defeat Florida next week, which I think is very possible because I can't imagine Auburn losing 2 straight at home, then Auburn will be close to Nd, and will supplant them if they keep on winning.

As for the rankings, I'm far more satisfied by the AP poll.
As for what the coaches may be thinking, perhaps it has to do with Nd's exposure. You can't watch all the games, and it's a waste of time for a coach to do so. Not saying this doesn't benefit us either, but we don't have a major network broadcasting our games.

Ok, let me explain the argument that compelled me to post again after I found a harmless little pic of Weis. Some of you have brought up good counterpoints, while others display the typical dismissive arrogance only found among Nd fans who think everyone is out to get them.

So, to be perfectly clear, let me give you an example.

Say we lose to OSU and that's our only loss, Cal beats USC and wins the Pac 10 and they only have one loss, Nd loses to USC, and there are two one loss teams in the SEC (let's say Tennessee and Florida). So, in the current BCS format, the SEC champion, the Big Ten champion, the Big 12 champion, the ACC champion, the Pac 10 champion and the Big East champion gets 6 of the 10 availiable positions. Nd gets the 7th position because of the guarentee clause. For the three remaining positions then, possible candidates will include us, USC, the one loss team from the SEC, and perhaps an at large like Boise State. Under the current format, one team gets shut out.

But tell me this, how many TWO loss teams from each conference would even be considered in the first place? Nd can quite possibly be the ONLY two loss team in the BCS (and as I've shown, does not have a harder schedule), all the while shutting the door for smaller schools like Boise State. Yes, there are flukes where four loss teams go to BCS games, but isn't it more likely that a 2 loss Nd team who has a guarentee clause is more UNDESERVING than other potential two loss teams (How about Oklahoma, or an Arkansas that runs the table but loses in the SEC championship game)?

Currently, the BCS is messed up because of the conference guarentees. That does allow some teams who defintely don't deserve to be in a BCS to slip through. But to me, this could happen FAR LESS OFTEN than possible scenerios where a 2 loss Nd team would get in over someone else more deserving. All you have to do is ask the question "If the guarentee clause wasn't there, would this year's Nd team even be considered at all for the BCS if they have two losses?"

It's a question of degree.
 
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Too bad we didn't have the luxury of playing a Northern Illinois to open the season.

ya its also to bad that OSU had to play the #2 team on the road and the #13 team on the road in the same month. both night games in hostile environments.
 
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Your post is pointless. It is based on an if this happens then this happens situation. Notre Dame has not lost two games only one. Until they do lose another game you have no gripe or argument. I say Notre Dame wins the rest of their games. Including USC at Troy. Everyone in the top ten might lose a game or two. And please don't even talk strength of schedule. You can look it up. Notre Dame has one of the hardest schedules in Div I-A football. Not the hardest but in the top. Look it up.
 

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Overdose,

Your response is very revealing for a number of reasons. First, you talk about how I just bring up circumstance after circumstance, when you yourself are talking about how top 10 teams may lose a game and such. You want to believe that this scenerio won't happen, that Nd won't lose to USC and this guarentee clause won't be debated. Oh and by the way, unless your secondary improves, your LBs get bigger and faster and your OL doesn't fall apart, the real question we should be asking is how much more of a blowout it will be if you play Cal as opposed to USC.

Let me give you the bottom line. I won't bitch or moan anymore if Nd has the BEST schedule. Not comparable or anything like that. If Nd's schedule is just as hard as ours, or OSU's or USC's, that's not enough to warrant a guarentee. Make it harder than everyone else, and the possiblity of Nd getting an undeserving BCS bid are necessarily reduced to a point where it's more likely that undeserving teams get into the BCS from the conference guarentees. That's the bottom line.

And another point of contention is what the guarentee clause implies, that Nd will be overlooked somehow. No freaking way. With all the hype Nd garnered at the start of the season, with their NBC contract, with all the fans out there (more than any other team), how can Nd not be overlooked? This clause is so unecessary for that reason. Why create negative possibilities when you know Nd will get the benefit of the doubt anyways. Perhaps the reason why Nd hasn't won a bowl game in like forever is because they're always playing tougher opponents they shouldn't have been matched up with in the first place (Happens with us too but not to the degree that it does to Nd). This only increases those odds, however slight they may be.
 
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Your post is pointless. It is based on an if this happens then this happens situation. Notre Dame has not lost two games only one. Until they do lose another game you have no gripe or argument. I say Notre Dame wins the rest of their games. Including USC at Troy. Everyone in the top ten might lose a game or two. And please don't even talk strength of schedule. You can look it up. Notre Dame has one of the hardest schedules in Div I-A football. Not the hardest but in the top. Look it up.

just about everything that clown says is pointless.It must make his day to come here and read our posts just so he can say we are all on crack, notre dame is going to lose another game,and we are vastly overrated.
 
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Perhaps the reason why Nd hasn't won a bowl game in like forever is because they're always playing tougher opponents they shouldn't have been matched up with in the first place.

2004 bowl- head coach fired
2002 bowl-no offense,i'll agree
2000 bowl-if anyone doesn't think that oregon state REALLY could have been national champs that year,then they don't really know anything about football
1998 bowl-we lost
1997 bowl- we beat lsu at home that year,most team don't do so well in a reamtch
1995 bowl-we lost
1994 bowl-we lost

you just like to belittle us don't you?
 

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ok, take out the GT game to even it out. you still got blown out by michigan at home and needed an MSU meltdown to win.

Its funny people dont realize that each team owned a half each. So we could easily say MSU needed a ND melt down in the first half to get ahead. Thaink about it, thats why the play the game...the whole game!!!
 

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Perhaps you should read through some of my other posts where I say:

That I think Weis is a great coach and an offensive genius.
That Nd lost to us this year because of Willingham's players, and that it wasn't really Weis' fault.
That Nd used to have the toughest schedule in the country.
That Irish fans shouldn't panic after being down to MSU (I could have easily said "you suck" there).
The fact that I concede that the preferences Nd recieves are also accorded to us, but perhaps to a smaller degree.

I am not reading, I am responding to people who sometimes belittle me and say that I'm on crack.

Perhaps you should read my posts more closely and come up with suitable counterarguments.

My point on USC stands. I gave you my reasons why I think Nd will lose. You might want to give me reasons why you think Nd will win.

Perhaps that's the difference between Michigan and Nd fans. If you had come onto our boards and said "You know, I watched the MSU game and I have to tell you, your DL was terrible. They couldn't even pressure Drew Stanton. If they play that way against PSU, they can very well lose." I would have said, "I totally agree." If you had come onto our boards last year and said "You can easily have a losing season. Your secondary is horrible, your OL can't block and your QB is crap." I would have said "I completely agree." Somehow, Nd fans can't stand other people stating the obvious but can somehow talk about the same criticisms amongst themselves.
 
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Ok I can't stand it and if I get barred so be it I don't care...VV shuuuut up I'm tired of your spewing usually I can handle your crap but you know what you sound like a typical skunk bear...Jesus help me I hate the skunk bears...why do we allow skunk bears on our site I don't understand it...screw pc ness go away....hell you can go away mad I truly could care less....and I had a great day can you amagine how I'd feel if it had gone badly
 
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