Warren Central's Darren Evans 12 carries, 243 yds, 6 TDs

[jiggafini19]

look at jimmy's stats, he is a college qb right now, with good wideouts and the nations top tailback,

He's got a busload of D-I talent on his team and they're playing St. Mary of the Blind every week.

They play St. Bonaventure this year, finally. I don't see them playing Mater Dei, DeLaSalle or Long Beach Poly.

 

[TDJesus3]

there ya go

so they are overrated in jiggs opinon, shouldnt be 9 in the country, why as jiggs says because they don't play anyone, WC doesnt play anyone either, and they are 10, so yes they are probably overrated, and def. not best in the nation

all those cali teams, St. Bonaventure, Mater Dei, DeLaSalle or Long Beach Poly easily better than WC, because Jimmy's team with that busload of dI talent as jiggs so nicely put it would beat WC in a walk

this is what im trying to get a cross, WC not best in the nation, and probably overrated because they too play the indianapolis equivalent of St. Mary of the Blind every week.

 

[jiggafini19]

These rankings are pretty much all crap.

If you're playing to win a national championship, then you're probaby a moron staff. USA Today, Tom Lemming....whoever measures this stuff, how the hell do they know how to rank 25 teams from all over America?

I don't see how you can figure it out unless the teams actually play.

Look at your STATE rankings. The national stuff is all mythical.

 

[TDJesus3]

jiggs you know where the state rankings are?

and how low is IN because im guessing they are not up there with the big boys

 

[KMac151993]

I have never once said that IN was a hotbed of talent...because they aren't. I would guess that ND would rank in the Top 25 in terms of overall state talent. What I was saying is that Warren Central is a quality football team and a talented one at that and they deserve mention when talking about the top football programs in the country.

 

[TDJesus3]

ok if you say it like that you can get away with it, but definitly not the best in the nation hands down

best in the state by far

best in the nation no way

a quality team, i will give you, but not a team that has much talent

 

[Indydomer]

Florida talent is hit and miss. Have a buddy who is a trainer down there in the Port Charlotte area. There are teams with a ton of talent, and a bunch of teams with no talent. Warren Central is pretty damn good, Im not going to say the best in the nation, but I think they would give anyone a run for their money. What you don't understand is that the high school teams in Indiana and Illinois play harder in my opinion. Kids from Florida have a different mentality. They know that they are going to a D1 school. Indiana kids would kill to have a shot at a good school. That is the difference. Do you think it really matters to Deonte Thompson if they win the state title this year. Hell no he can go wherever he wants, even though he not that great of a wr in my opinion, he just has the speed. That was evident at the game that was on ESPN.

We may not have the most talent but we will bust you in the mouth and you will respect us when the game is over.

 

[ACCIrish]

TD jesus i now show you the new rankings from cnnsi http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/highschool/09/05/hs.top25.0905/index.html

 

[jiggafini19]

jiggs you know where the state rankings are?

and how low is IN because im guessing they are not up there with the big boys

I get the Illinois ones in the local papers. The AP high school polls usually get printed in the Tuesday sports section of Illinois papers.

Here are Indiana's HS Football rankings via Sagarin

http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/hsfsend.htm

TDJ3, from my perspective: Warren Central opened the season with a beat down of Park Ridge Maine South. Maine South is an 8A school from ILL and they have finished 2nd in 8A the last 2-3 years, plus have won a few state titles in the last decade. Solid program.

I think Warren Central could compete with most teams in America. Now would they win 5 straight state titles in ILL, PA or OH? My guess is no, but they're clearly doing something right where they are.

 

[KMac151993]

I still maintain that no matter what the talent level is...beating the #2 ranked team in the state by 70+ points is amazing no matter what talent is there. Even if you take Jimmy's team out in Cali and have them play a "cupcake" like Ben Davis would they be able to put up over 70 pts in 3 quarters of action? I know they have tons more talent but just becuase you have some extremely talented players on these teams doesn't mean they are great "teams"; because you are right if you seperate those players up they aren't that good but as a unit they are something special.

 

[TDJesus3]

you shoudl go do some research on Jimmys stats he puts up even in a half, they would put up 70 on BD in there sleep

 

[Indydomer]

Are You From Cali?

 

[KMac151993]

you shoudl go do some research on Jimmys stats he puts up even in a half, they would put up 70 on BD in there sleep

They have scored 49 and 60 points this year so far, so I don't see how you could say they would put up 70 easily in a half against Ben Davis, plus Warren Central already put up almost 70 on one of the top teams in Illinois. I mean if it was Warren Central vs. some Class 2A team it would be different but Ben Davis would hold their own even out in California....wouldn't win any championships but they wouldn't be a push over.

 

[TDJesus3]

49 and 60 and jimmy and the boys play for 2 maybe 2 and 1/2 quarters

no im from indy

ben davis can barely hold there own in state let alone out of state, look at the state rankings

this argument is over i made my point WC is not the best team in the country and IN is not even close to the best high school football

 

[KMac151993]

49 and 60 and jimmy and the boys play for 2 maybe 2 and 1/2 quarters

no im from indy

ben davis can barely hold there own in state let alone out of state, look at the state rankings

this argument is over i made my point WC is not the best team in the country and IN is not even close to the best high school football

Whats the difference from what Warren Central does? They play 2 maybe 2.5 quarters and put up 70 points. Ben Davis is a quality program, down this year but still quality.

 

[TDJesus3]

1 Jerimy Finch 3 Stars Indianapolis (IN) Warren Central DB 6-1/203 Michigan
2 Artis Chambers 3 Stars Ft. Wayne (IN) Snider DB 6-2/185 Michigan
3 Ryan Kerrigan 3 Stars Muncie (IN) Central DE 6-4/233 Purdue
4 Joe Holland 3 Stars Indianapolis (IN) Bishop Chatard ATH 6-2/195
5 Darren Evans 3 Stars Indianapolis (IN) Warren Central RB 6-0/207 Virginia Tech
6 Max Dedmond 3 Stars Evansville (IN) Central TE 6-5/235 Indiana
7 Adrien Robinson 3 Stars Indianapolis (IN) Warren Central WR 6-5/222
8 Drew Kiel 2 Stars Columbus (IN) East QB 6-2/193
9 Matt Ernest 2 Stars Crown Point (IN) Crown Point WR 6-3/170 Indiana
10 Javon Reese 2 Stars Ft. Wayne (IN) South LB 6-2/201


that is the top 10 kids in IN 7 3 stars and 3 two stars, none from ben davis, in fact ben davis nobody in the top 15... 7 3 stars is the best this state has, do you realize how horrible that is? Do i need to post other states to show you how much better the kids are?

Texas has 34 kids that are 4 star and above 100 kids atleast 3 star and above
California has 29 kids that are 4 star and above 100 kids atleast 3 star and above
Florida has 37 kids that are 4 star and above 100 kids atleat 3 star and above
Ohio has 11 kids that are 4 star and above and 38 kids 3 star and above
New Jersy 6 kids that are 4 star and above and 26 kids 3 star and above
Alabama 10 kids that are 4 star and above and 25 kids atleat that are 3 star and above
Michigan 12 kids that are 4 star and above and 23 kids that are 3 star and above
Tennesse 8 kids that are 4 star and above and 17 kids that are 3 star and above
North Carolina 10 kids that are 4 star and above and atleast 30 kids 3 star and above
Delaware has 1 4 star kid and 2 3 stars (looks closer to Indiana)
Idaho has 2 3 stars (Indiana beats idaho)
Iowa 1 4 star and 6 3 stars (pretty similar to Indiana)
Colorado 1 5 star, 1 4 star and 7 3 stars (beats IN barely)

do you see my point or do i need to give you more?

IN is not on par with Texas, California, Florida, Ohio, Tennesse, New Jersey, Alabama, North carolina, South Carolina, Louisiana, Georgia, Pennslyvania, Maryland, New York, Virgina, etc.

IN is close to states like Iowa, Kentucky, Delaware, Nevada and Colorado (if you stretch it)

IN may beat a few Hawaii, Alaska, Idaho

IN has very little talent at all, this all comes from rivals, its free you can look for yourself, the 7 3 stars and the rest two stars and below, Ben Davis has nothing, and WC has 3 3 stars seems pretty good in a state filled with 1 and 2 star kids

big schools in other states have multiples of 5,4,and 3 star kids, along with lesser kids of course, but 1 five star can dominate a game, hell a 4 star can dominate a game, and you have been on here bragging all week about your great WC team and how they are the nations best when they have 3 3 star kids and they beat a team with no one in Indiana's top 15 prospects

Face it like I have said all along IN has no in-state talent, when all you can put up is 7 3-star kids you have to wonder, especially when so many other states are have 100 kids as good as or better than those 7, i think ill go with the other states

 

[KMac151993]

1 Jerimy Finch 3 Stars Indianapolis (IN) Warren Central DB 6-1/203 Michigan
2 Artis Chambers 3 Stars Ft. Wayne (IN) Snider DB 6-2/185 Michigan
3 Ryan Kerrigan 3 Stars Muncie (IN) Central DE 6-4/233 Purdue
4 Joe Holland 3 Stars Indianapolis (IN) Bishop Chatard ATH 6-2/195
5 Darren Evans 3 Stars Indianapolis (IN) Warren Central RB 6-0/207 Virginia Tech
6 Max Dedmond 3 Stars Evansville (IN) Central TE 6-5/235 Indiana
7 Adrien Robinson 3 Stars Indianapolis (IN) Warren Central WR 6-5/222
8 Drew Kiel 2 Stars Columbus (IN) East QB 6-2/193
9 Matt Ernest 2 Stars Crown Point (IN) Crown Point WR 6-3/170 Indiana
10 Javon Reese 2 Stars Ft. Wayne (IN) South LB 6-2/201


that is the top 10 kids in IN 7 3 stars and 3 two stars, none from ben davis, in fact ben davis nobody in the top 15... 7 3 stars is the best this state has, do you realize how horrible that is? Do i need to post other states to show you how much better the kids are?

Texas has 34 kids that are 4 star and above 100 kids atleast 3 star and above
California has 29 kids that are 4 star and above 100 kids atleast 3 star and above
Florida has 37 kids that are 4 star and above 100 kids atleat 3 star and above
Ohio has 11 kids that are 4 star and above and 38 kids 3 star and above
New Jersy 6 kids that are 4 star and above and 26 kids 3 star and above
Alabama 10 kids that are 4 star and above and 25 kids atleat that are 3 star and above
Michigan 12 kids that are 4 star and above and 23 kids that are 3 star and above
Tennesse 8 kids that are 4 star and above and 17 kids that are 3 star and above
North Carolina 10 kids that are 4 star and above and atleast 30 kids 3 star and above
Delaware has 1 4 star kid and 2 3 stars (looks closer to Indiana)
Idaho has 2 3 stars (Indiana beats idaho)
Iowa 1 4 star and 6 3 stars (pretty similar to Indiana)
Colorado 1 5 star, 1 4 star and 7 3 stars (beats IN barely)

do you see my point or do i need to give you more?

IN is not on par with Texas, California, Florida, Ohio, Tennesse, New Jersey, Alabama, North carolina, South Carolina, Louisiana, Georgia, Pennslyvania, Maryland, New York, Virgina, etc.

IN is close to states like Iowa, Kentucky, Delaware, Nevada and Colorado (if you stretch it)

IN may beat a few Hawaii, Alaska, Idaho

IN has very little talent at all, this all comes from rivals, its free you can look for yourself, the 7 3 stars and the rest two stars and below, Ben Davis has nothing, and WC has 3 3 stars seems pretty good in a state filled with 1 and 2 star kids

big schools in other states have multiples of 5,4,and 3 star kids, along with lesser kids of course, but 1 five star can dominate a game, hell a 4 star can dominate a game, and you have been on here bragging all week about your great WC team and how they are the nations best when they have 3 3 star kids and they beat a team with no one in Indiana's top 15 prospects

Face it like I have said all along IN has no in-state talent, when all you can put up is 7 3-star kids you have to wonder, especially when so many other states are have 100 kids as good as or better than those 7, i think ill go with the other states

I don't think you get my point...I am not arguing saying that Indiana has tons of talent...I am saying that Warren Central is a very good football team, and have since my very first post; for some reason you keep coming back to the fact that there is no "five" star players here instate. Just because there are no five star players doesn't mean that Warren Central is instantly not credible and dog meat. They may suck individually talent wise but as a unit they are a top flight group. Its like saying the 1993 Notre Dame backfield sucked because none were labeled "very talented" and none went on to great careers at the next level; but they included a 1,000 yd rusher and one of the schools most efficent QB's and 11-1 record, so as a unit they were very good.

 

[TDJesus3]

how about you try this since you dont get it

pull up rivals top 100 for california

see how many of those kids are on the same team

then you tell me how the teams with all those kids on them would match up with WC

WC would get rolled, thats the answer you will reach unless you are just ignorant

then go to texas and do the same thing

and so on and so on for all the states

see my point is not only that other states have a ton more talent, its that other states have teams with better players all on the same team. Teams with much better players than 3 three star kids!

thats when i say WC is like navy, thats the level of kid they have, nothing against navy, but thats where they are in comparison to the other high school teams who would be comparable as the USCs, Notre Dames, Ohio states of the world. DO YOU GET IT? They may play well as a team, but the talent level is so different they could not compete, sure maybe navy is DI but they could not compete with the talent level of those teams no matter what you think. This is not the little giants, no matter how well the team plays together at some point they will be outclassed by all the talent on the other teams. HOPEFULLY THIS GETS THROUGH TO YOU, WC does not have the kids to compete, stop watching disney movies and think a bunch of average kids could play with the big boys no matter how well they work as a team!

 

[jiggafini19]

1. Hoover, Ala. (2-0)
Previous: 1. Result: d. Union (Tulsa) 34-7 and Carver (Birmingham, Ala.) 45-12. Next: Friday vs. Spain Park (Hoover).

2. Byrnes, Duncan, S.C. (3-0)
Previous: 2. Result: Averaging 41 points in three victories, including a season-high of 55 points. Next: Saturday vs. Moeller (Cincinnati) in McDonald's Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA Challenge at University of Cincinnati's Nippert Stadium.

3. Lakeland, Fla. (3-0)
Previous: 3. Result: Won its 33rd consecutive game, beating Winter Haven 34-7. Next: Saturday vs. No. 8 St. Xavier (Cincinnati) at Herbstreit Challenge.

4. Lufkin, Texas (2-0)
Previous: 4. Result: d. Evangel Christian (Shreveport, La.) 24-14 and Dallas Kimball 37-14. Next: Friday vs. Nacogdoches.

5. De La Salle, Concord, Calif. (1-0)
Previous: 6. Result: d. Serra (San Mateo) 40-28. Next: Saturday vs. Elder (Cincinnati) at Herbstreit Challenge.

6. Southlake (Texas) Carroll (1-0)
Previous: 7. Result: d. Lake Highlands (Dallas) 49-13. Next: Thursday vs. Evangel Christian (Shreveport, La.).

7. Central Catholic, Pittsburgh (2-0)
Previous: 9. Result: d. Cathedral Prep (Erie) 21-7 and Gateway (Monroeville) 42-27. Next: Friday at Mount Lebanon (Pittsburgh).

8. St. Xavier, Cincinnati (3-0)
Previous: 13. Result: d. then-No. 8 St. Edward (Lakewood) 10-7 for 18th consecutive victory. Next: Saturday vs. No. 3 Lakeland (Fla.) at Herbstreit Challenge.

9. Warren Central, Indianapolis (4-0)
Previous: 10. Result: Potent offense has outscored four opponents 239-47. Next: Friday at North Central (Indianapolis).

10. Lincoln-Way East, Frankfort, Ill. (3-0)
Previous: 11. Result: d. Bradley Bourbonnais 33-0 for its 17th consecutive victory. Next: Friday vs. Andrew (Tinley Park).

11. Hamilton, Chandler, Ariz. (2-0)
Previous: 14. Result: d. Red Mountain (Mesa) 21-7 and Paradise Valley (Phoenix) 49-7. Next: Saturday at Massillon (Ohio) in Herbstreit Challenge.

12. Oaks Christian, Westlake Village, Calif. (2-0)
Previous: 12. Result: d. Lompoc 49-0 and Muir (Pasadena) 60-6. Next: Sept. 22 at No. 17 St. Bonaventure (Ventura).

13. John Curtis, River Ridge, La. (1-0)
Previous: 15. Result: d. Mandeville 43-0 on Sept. 1. Next: Friday at Salmen (Slidell).

14. St. Edward, Lakewood, Ohio (2-1)
Previous: 8. Result: Lost to then-No. 13 St. Xavier (Cincinnati) 10-7. Next: Saturday vs. Springdale (Ark.) at Herbstreit Challenge in Massillon, Ohio.

15. Garland, Texas (2-0)
Previous: 16. Result: d. Allen 38-35 and DeSoto 28-14. Next: Friday vs. Plano East (Plano).

16. Independence, Charlotte (3-0)
Previous: 18. Result: Stretched win streak to 95 games (No. 2 all-time), beating Olympic (Charlotte) on Sept. 1. Next: Friday at Vance (Charlotte).

17. St. Bonaventure, Ventura, Calif. (2-0)
Previous: 19. Result: d. St. Paul (Santa Fe Springs) 36-6 and Hart (Newhall) 34-0. Next: Friday at Canyon (Canyon Country).

18. Glades Central, Belle Glade, Fla. (1-1)
Previous: 5. Result: d. Cardinal Newman (West Palm Beach) 40-0. Lost to No. 2 Byrnes (Duncan, S.C.) 27-15. Next: Friday vs. Suncoast (Riviera Beach).

19. St. Peter's Prep, Jersey City (1-0)
Previous: 20. Result: d. Delbarton (Morristown) 36-0 at the High School Kickoff Classic in Giants Stadium. Next: Saturday vs. Memorial (West New York).

20. Summerville, S.C. (3-0)
Previous: 21. Result: Has outscored three opponents 99-27. Next: Friday at Orangeburg-Wilkinson.

21. Camden County, Kingsland, Ga. (2-0)
Previous: 22. Result: d. South Forsyth (Cumming) 28-7 and Brookwood (Snellville) 21-17. Next: Friday at Aiken (S.C.).

22. South Panola, Batesville, Miss. (3-0)
Previous: 23. Result: Winning streak hits 48 consecutive games, beating Germantown (Tenn.) 41-7. Next: Friday vs. Carver (Memphis).

23. Jenks, Okla. (2-0)
Previous: 24. Result: d. Union (Tulsa) 9-6 and Bixby 28-14. Next: Friday at Broken Arrow.

24. DeMatha, Hyattsville, Md. (2-0)
Previous: 25. Result: Extended win streak to 12 games, beating Gilman School (Baltimore) 24-6. Next: Saturday vs. Coolidge (Washington, D.C.).

25. Colerain, Cincinnati (3-0)
Previous: Not ranked. Result: d. Fairfield 51-0 for third consecutive win. Next: Friday vs. Cardinal O'Hara (Springfield, Pa.) at Herbstreit Challenge.

 

[jiggafini19]

USA Today Rankings, 9/12/06

 

[TDJesus3]

you were the one with me that those rankings mean nothing

you changing on me jiggs?

 

[KMac151993]

They mean just as much as Rival's evaluating the talent of players. Warren Central would be a legit Top 10 team if they played nationally and if you don't get that then you are living in a fantasy world.

 

[jiggafini19]

you were the one with me that those rankings mean nothing

you changing on me jiggs?

National team rankings are completely subjective. So are player star rankings.

Some people think Warren Central can't compete against Florida, Texas, whomever. Some people think they can. The people that get paid to compile these rankings, they seem to think these guys are pretty good.

Normally, when a team like Warren Central begins to dominate their state they venture outside of their borders to find games. They played a annually successful Illinois program in Maine South and hammered them.

Maybe now they can venture into Ohio and PA for a game or two.

I think it is one of the better programs in the country and they could compete with anyone in any of those "power" states. Only an opinion and I have no idea what would happen if they played.

 

[KMac151993]

The problem with IHSAA rules is that a team can only play an adjoining state I believe so playing teams like Florida or California are out of the question. I think if Warren Central could they would schedule games against teams from PA and elsewhere.

 

[jiggafini19]

The problem with IHSAA rules is that a team can only play an adjoining state I believe so playing teams like Florida or California are out of the question. I think if Warren Central could they would schedule games against teams from PA and elsewhere.

Interesting.

 

[Indydomer]

True Statement Kmac you beat me to it.

 

[KMac151993]

There is no doubt in my mind that if they could Warren Central would go out and play their old coach in Oklahoma or back in 2002 Ben Davis and James Banks would have played anyone in the country if they could. The IHSAA restricts all sports with this travel ban.

 

[jiggafini19]

I have seen Illinois teams venture out to play WI, IN, IA and Missouri.

I am wondering if we perhaps have the same rule.

 

[KMac151993]

Its a rule that not a lot of people know about and just automatically think that Indiana schools are scared to play teams from other states. I know personally for us when I was in high school we were restricted to travelling to schools within "driving" distance, meaning that if we went somewhere were we would have to spend the night in a hotel we were not able to play them.

 

[jiggafini19]

Interesting note:

Oaks Christian was off this past weekend. St. Bonaventure played and won.

California has "bye" weeks in high school football?

Weak.