Why CFN ranked ND defense 40th...

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First, CFN took the easy road and averaged the def pts and yds/game rankings. I find this hardly credible with teams like Tulsa, Central Michigan, Akron, Miami of Ohio, etc. ranked above ND in one or the other catergories. For good measure, ND received an additional 4 spot bump.

Second, CFN did not use ratings. Since ND's schedule was tougher than most, the ND vs opponent power ratings were close. Tighter ratings mean Irish opponents had better statistics, it showed as lower ND defense rankings. Adjusting for SOS would give ND a ranking boost.

Finally, the rankings of ND's defensive statistics tell a sad story:

1. By limiting the number of rush plays (#13), rush yds/game (#35) was not as bad as rush yds/att (#62) might have made it. This had a 73% effect on points.
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2. Pass yds/att (#96) racked up the pass yds/game (#103). This boosted yds/game (#75) which untimately had a 87.6% effect.

Note: '% to pts' effect is the % effect that the statistic has on def pts scored. A summary table follows...Tom

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Tighter ratings mean Irish opponents had better statistics, it showed as lower ND defense rankings.
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Agreed. The NCAA rankings don't reflect the real rankings of a team's pass defense efficiency or yd/carry as they don't reflect the 7th toughest schedule from the 78th (like West Virginia).

As for the rest, could you expound.
 
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By the way Charlie Weis says, "I take what they give me." Think BYU.

That also works for the other guys.

One of the reason for less rushes and more passing against ND is our defense but also because ND's offense tended to score early and often forcing opposing coaches to change their game plans. Frequently ND broke open games forcing the other team to shelve their passing game. With depth and healthy bodies (like this year) Minter could unleash the dogs. But with limping dogs and damn few of them it wasn't there to do. Victor's sacks came late in the season. Mostly against weaker teams BUT after he was running on healthy wheels.
 
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Agreed. The NCAA rankings don't reflect the real rankings of a team's pass defense efficiency or yd/carry as they don't reflect the 7th toughest schedule from the 78th (like West Virginia).

As for the rest, could you expound.
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SOS should be factored in. But the stats are still a good point of reference. They don't tell the whole story, but are an indicator to look at.

Consider:

Looking at the national champs from the last decade, they all played excellent defense and were ranked in the top 15 in scoring defense. Didn't matter if those teams had hard or soft schedules. They all played great defense and the stats refelct it.

Look at ND last year. What was our problem? We couldn't stop the pass. ND was 34th in rushing yards yielded per game, but 77th in total yards yielded per game. Those stats accurately refelct what was happening on the field, we were awful at defending the pass.

I also think people get too caught up in the number as far as what value our defense rates. Are you aware that the 30th rated defense last year in terms of yards given up per game only gave up 12 yards less per game than the 40th rated D?

Stats should be looked at in the proper light, as an indication of the level of play, but not an absolut measure of the quality of play.
 
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BGIF and solo's replies are very thoughtful...

BGIF and solo's replies are very thoughtful...

Ranking ignores SOS and team power. Many schools defensively ranked much better than ND would lose to the Irish by 20 or 30 pts. So where is the defensive ranking validity in that?

Solo is right. ND kept the running game off the field and forced opponents to pass. Unfortunately, ND's pash rush or secondary coverage was lacking. In fairness, the rankings do show this. But is ND's defense as flawed as the rankings imply?

Using solo's 15th spot defensive rank as a benchmark, see how ranking differences skew your view of the data behind the rankings. Impact score is the measured effect these stats have on points...Tom

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