When will Navy finally beat us?

[irishfan]

The Notre Dame winning steak over Navy is at 42 games entering this season. Although there have been some close games in the past (the closest being Rossum knocking out a receiver at the 1 yard line a few years back) Navy has not beaten us. I dont think that we will lose to them while CW is the coach (he respects them too much to overlook them) but at some point this streak will come to an end, right? Does anyone think that we will lose to them at anytime in the near future or under Weis? Maybe even this year, as they have a good chance to be undefeated when the play us in Baltimore. I think that we will win this year, but that at some point down the line, we will get upset. Streaks dont last forever.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

The Notre Dame winning steak over Navy is at 42 games entering this season. Although there have been some close games in the past (the closest being Rossum knocking out a receiver at the 1 yard line a few years back) Navy has not beaten us. I dont think that we will lose to them while CW is the coach (he respects them too much to overlook them) but at some point this streak will come to an end, right? Does anyone think that we will lose to them at anytime in the near future or under Weis? Maybe even this year, as they have a good chance to be undefeated when the play us in Baltimore. I think that we will win this year, but that at some point down the line, we will get upset. Streaks dont last forever.

The year after Weis leaves. I would give it to them then...

;-)

 

[Vince Young]

2007. That's the year everyone's flagging as a "rebuilding" year anyway, so we might as well get it out of the way then, in a year when it won't matter.

Can you imagine it being a year when we're competing for a championship and we're 11-1 because THAT's the year Navy picked to finally knock us off? We'd never hear the end of it. "Yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys beat USC, Michigan and Penn State, but you lost to Navy! NAVY! How good can you really be?"

I'd prefer to extend the streak all the way to 100, but hey, if it has to end sometime, might as well be in '07.

Just not this year. PLEASE not this year.

 

[nayers]

in a year when it won't matter.

ummm...i hate to be the one who says it, but it always matters every year, i dont care what the depth chart looks like, I expect to win every game every week...thats the attitude of the coach, and the team

 

[Dannyboy Ayers]

when the earth explodes and football is no more!! it will be a sad day

 

[BGIF]

When will Navy finally beat us?

Navy beat Hunk Anderson once '33
Navy beat Elmer Layden twice '34, '36
Navy beat interim head coach Ed McKeever once '44 (ND HC Frank Leahy was in the Navy)
Navy tied interim head coach Hugh Devore '45 (ND HC Frank Leahy was in the Navy)
Navy beat Terry Brennan in twice '55, '56
Navy beat Joe Kuharich twice '60, '61
Navy beat interim head coach Hugh Devore '63

Notice a trend?

Anderson was in his third year and couldn't recruit (or coach) like Rockne
Layden had to rebuild the program after Anderson and didn't lose to Navy after his third season.
McKeever and Devore as interim coaches lead a war depleted team (the head coach, some assistants, and players all enlisted) against the a Navy team that only lost players to the War after 4 years and graduation.
Brennan wasn't Leahy and without Leahy recruits the wheels fell off the program in his third season.
Kuharich wasn't Brennan and the wheels were lost.
Devore again as an interim coach got walloped by the 4th ranked middies and Jolly Roger Staubach.

Never again!

The Navy may (though doubtful) see a RB like Joe Bellino but they will never see a player of Roger Staubach's caliber again. A longer post graduation military commitment (Vietnam War on to today), the explosive of the NFL and NFL megamillion dollar salaries, as well as two platoon football, passing game proactive rules, the size of OLs and DLs, academic admission policies as well as classroom competition, military protocol on campus and dormitory life, and training facilities (think GUG) all thwart the Navy's ability to compete on the football field against Div 1 competition. The Navy's strength is teamwork, discipline, determination, the head coach and his system.

Given those limitations they should never win again. But this is college football and they are The Navy!

Keep in mind, even Faust, Davie, and Willingham were undefeated against the Navy.

Navy never beat Rockne.
Navy never beat Parshegian
Navy never beat Devine
Navy never beat Faust!
Navy never beat Holtz
Navy never beat Davie!
Navy never beat Willingham!
Navy never beat Weis and never will.

Until the ND Administration lets the program run into the ground like the post Rockne and post Leahy years or the NFL disappears and a war of WWII proportions returns to tip the scales back to 30's through the early 60's it won't happen again.

Father Jenkins isn't Monk. He's isn't going to neuter the progam. But even Monk retired without a loss to Navy despite his efforts to "Ivy" the program.

May the Navy go 10-1!

Go Irish!

 

[Vince Young]

ummm...i hate to be the one who says it, but it always matters every year, i dont care what the depth chart looks like, I expect to win every game every week...thats the attitude of the coach, and the team

I agree. But in the spirit of the thread, I figured if I HAD to pick a year, it might as well be that one.

 

[solo]

Oh...It will happen again. History tends to repeat itself. We are getting ready to head into more glory years for ND football. The next decade will be awesome. But then the powers that be at ND will think Weis (or whoever is coaching) and Football has gotten too big for their britches, they will tighten up admissions, the coach will leave (or be forced out), we will make a poor hire at HC (maybe 2 in a row), and we will sink back to mediocrity. And when that happens, Navy will end the streak.

But for now, I'm ready to kick back and enjoy the next 10-15 seasons of good football.

 

[Irish_74]

Never!!!

 

[scooper]

Sadly, solo is probably right. 2015-2025 will suck.

 

[maison bleu]

A side benefit of reinstating the draft to support Bu$h's wars: service academy football will be reinvigorated and Navy will finally beat ND.

 

[guff]

2007 - ND will be very inexperienced, triple option will confound them, Navy wins.

That's more my hope than my actual prediction. Those guys bust their ass, a win over ND would be a lifetime memory. ND won't be in contention in 2007 so it would be a good year for it to happen.

 

[jiggafini19]

I'm filing this thread and some of the responses to it under "September 2 Can't Get Here Soon Enough."

 

[solo]

2007 - ND will be very inexperienced, triple option will confound them, Navy wins.

That's more my hope than my actual prediction. Those guys bust their ass, a win over ND would be a lifetime memory. ND won't be in contention in 2007 so it would be a good year for it to happen.

In 2007 shouldn't we have Weis' first recruiting class in starting positions? If so, there is no reason we can't contend. We lose a lot of starters, but the talent CW recruited should be better than the players they replace (other than QB).

If we recruited a lot of good defensive players, then our defense could be strong. Walker would be in his senior year, so we could have a good ground game. The D and ground game could pick up the slack until the new QB gels.

I wouldn't write off 2007 just yet.

 

[scooper]

In 2007 shouldn't we have Weis' first recruiting class in starting positions? If so, there is no reason we can't contend. We lose a lot of starters, but the talent CW recruited should be better than the players they replace (other than QB).

If we recruited a lot of good defensive players, then our defense could be strong. Walker would be in his senior year, so we could have a good ground game. The D and ground game could pick up the slack until the new QB gels.

I wouldn't write off 2007 just yet.

Yes, but they will be young. Very young and not very experienced. Talent is very important, but experience and physical maturity and training are also very important. When the freshman class is juniors and seniors, they should be very very good. But there could be some growing pains in 07.

I think you're right about the keys that that year, though. Walker will be very important and could very well be the leader of the team. The defense should actually be pretty good, with the trio of linebackers and some talented CB's and DE's returning. The DT position will however be shallow and young.

 

[solo]

2007 could be the opposite of this season. We will win with defense and ST. And the potential is there for a dominant ground game. I actually like that combo...strong D and ball control offense.

I agree that we will be young, but hopefully those guys will get some quality minutes this year as well as mop up duty this year.

 

[jiggafini19]

There is no possible way Notre Dame will lose to Navy or anyone else in 2007.

They're going to have LeBron James at quarterback and will not lose for three years.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

I think navy stands a better chance this year then in 2007.
Navy is going to be good this year.The game this year is going to ba a good one,but navy will not have enough guns(no pun intended) to get the job done.
You can only take it for so long...just ask vanderbilt.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

I agree that we will be young, but hopefully those guys will get some quality minutes this year as well as mop up duty this year.

I'm banking on that too.

 

[scooper]

I will admit to some concern about Navy when we play them on any of the coasts. It gives them close access to some serious firepower.

 

[ND4life]

personally i dont want to jinx anything, especially ill be going to the ND-Navy game this year. and it is my first ND game and i want to remember it as a win.

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

There is no possible way Notre Dame will lose to Navy or anyone else in 2007.

They're going to have LeBron James at quarterback and will not lose for three years.

Tounge in cheek, right? If I recall correctly, you really like D. Jones at QB in 07.

I still like our chances of a BCS bowl in 2007, but it could be a real tough year.

 

[ralphwaldoemerson]

People writing off '07 is amazing to me. This is a new regime. There are no write-off years. That team will be top 10.

 

[PSonic]

Navy will win after they have successfully implemented their "Super Soldier" program, a la Captain America. Until then, not happening!

 

[irish4life99]

Tounge in cheek, right? If I recall correctly, you really like D. Jones at QB in 07.

I still like our chances of a BCS bowl in 2007, but it could be a real tough year.

A BCS may be a strech for 07, but one thing I can promise it won't be a 5-6 and no 38 point blow outs by teams like BYU.

 

[maison bleu]

A BCS may be a strech for 07, but one thing I can promise it won't be a 5-6 and no 38 point blow outs by teams like BYU.

Did BYU blow out ND by 38 points? I thought it was Michigan who did that...

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

A BCS may be a strech for 07, but one thing I can promise it won't be a 5-6 and no 38 point blow outs by teams like BYU.

... ...give the guy a little credit,he did beat tennessee.

in between letdowns from fredo and pitt

 

[irish4life99]

Did BYU blow out ND by 38 points? I thought it was Michigan who did that...

Ya, UM did once, but USC did it three times in a row. My bad, although we did lose to BYU, it was Syarcuse that wipped on us 38-10.

 

[punishment]

What the heck, 2007.

 

[guff]

I'm not writing '07, matter of fact I'm not really think about it. I've said it couple times on this board - my respect and admiration for players at Navy and the other Academies is unending.

There is small part of me that wants Navy to beat ND because it would be a "tell your grandchildren about it" moment for those guys. For ND it's just another 'W'. For a Middie it's story everyone on the carrier would gather around to hear.

That said - it's not going to happen.