Kmoose at game? Post game observations vs Navy

[Grahambo]

Link?

I'm on my phone but it was on the watchND.TV link. It was the official post-game show.

 

[Grahambo]

Yeah I heard that and I can't say I disagree with anything he said. Then again that might be because I want a jumbotron in the worst way.

And he's right, ND isn't going to use it to whore itself out to advertisers so that argument needs to stop

He made a solid argument in favor of it.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

The point that I was trying to make is that you sound like an idiot, calling Diaco clueless. What are your qualifications for judging how sound his game plan was? In fact, lay his game plan out for us. And not some sarcastic crap, but tell us............. what was his plan? And why didn't it work? If you're smart enough to recognize that the success of Navy against the Defense is because Diaco doesn't have a clue, then educate some of the rest of us. What I saw, last night, was NOT ONE ND defender consistently winning his 1 v 1 matchup with a much smaller, presumably less talented, opponent. I'm not saying that there was nothing wrong with the scheme, just that I don't think scheme should have mattered more than 10-15%, in the outcome of this game. We should have better athletes at every position on the field, and we should dominate every one of the 1 v. 1 matchups.

What are your qualifications for judging the player's efforts? What do you know about the players to say they lacked "focus" and "effort"?

A sound game plan doesn't give the opposing offense 3-4 yards pre snap. A sound game plan doesn't isolate one player with the responsibility to take the QB and the pitch. A sound game plan forces the opposing offense to beat them with their weakness. What I watched yesterday was a passive "hope we don't get an injury, our offense will score more than they can score" gameplan.

Good grief. The old coachspeak 1 v 1 matchups. This ain't basketball. Even if our guys won each 1 vs 1 matchups, pitch man was unaccounted for basically all game, because our safeties were playing two deep most of the game.

If you think scheme contributed to the performance, then what are you talking about? Why bash the players and imply they lacked focus and played with poor effort?

 

[Irish Insanity]

Not quoting but basically thinks it truly helps keep the fans at the game involved. He cited the Dallas game and how much better of an atmosphere it was as it kept the stadium involved throughout the game.

He went off.

While I want a one, thats not a great argument. The type of fans that attend the ND games at ND seem to be a contrast to the ones that travel and attend games like the one in Dallas. The uniforms and change of venue and such, for those games, attract a completely different type of fan. I can see the jumbotron helping with the crowd right away, but not to the extent of the Dallas game. I do see it transforming the home crowd over time towards more of the active fan tho. I can't see the 'sit down' and 'read the newspaper at the game' type fan continuing to come in high volumes once field turn and a jumbotron shows up.

 

[kmoose]

What are your qualifications for judging the player's efforts? What do you know about the players to say they lacked "focus" and "effort"?

A sound game plan doesn't give the opposing offense 3-4 yards pre snap. A sound game plan doesn't isolate one player with the responsibility to take the QB and the pitch. A sound game plan forces the opposing offense to beat them with their weakness. What I watched yesterday was a passive "hope we don't get an injury, our offense will score more than they can score" gameplan.

Good grief. The old coachspeak 1 v 1 matchups. This ain't basketball. Even if our guys won each 1 vs 1 matchups, pitch man was unaccounted for basically all game, because our safeties were playing two deep most of the game.

If you think scheme contributed to the performance, then what are you talking about? Why bash the players and imply they lacked focus and played with poor effort?

So you're saying that you have NO qualifications, just your own frustration and arrogance? Who gave the opponent 3-4 yards pre snap? That's simple hyperbole from you, not any kind of intelligent observation. Playing a step or two off of the LOS helps keep you from getting cut blocked. If the offensive lineman has to take a few steps, with his head down, then you can more easily defeat his block than if all he has to do is fire off of the ball and immediately make contact with you.

Since you know so much about the scheme, enlighten us on the responsibilities of the following individuals, please?

DE
OLB
CB
S

 

[military_irish]

Something I will never understand is why the coach or in this case Diaco [assistant coach/D-coach] gets the blame if the defense does bad.

All he can do is set up the best scheme and hope his players execute. Last week they did pretty good against the option.

2012 against Navy they did really good against the option (other than some deep passes that were unexpected).

In 2011 they held Navy to 229 total yards, and that same year they beat Air Force although they had a little more success but none the less they won that game.

In 2010 they lost to Navy but a few weeks later they absolutely dismantled Army (another option team).

So Diaco has had his success against option teams, I am sure his philosophy has not changed much. His game plan might have because of personnel reason but that is about it.

So here is a crazy thought maybe this team (which contained Air Force last week pretty good) just didn't execute like they should have done.

Not Diaco's fault, at least not the whole blame.

 

[DillonHall]

Come on kmoose, we don't need to list qualifications in order to share our opinions here.

 

[kmoose]

Come on kmoose, we don't need to list qualifications in order to share our opinions here.

I think it is fair to ask someone's qualifications, when they claim that a coaching game plan is clueless.

 

[gkautz10]

A lady sitting 2 seats away from me put her hands over her ears while the music was playing on a 3rd down (while she was sitting down and everyone else was standing) and said "thank god" once it stopped playing. I about punched her and told her to gtfo.

 

[kmoose]

A lady sitting 2 seats away from me put her hands over her ears while the music was playing on a 3rd down (while she was sitting down and everyone else was standing) and said "thank god" once it stopped playing. I about punched her and told her to gtfo.

Meh! Let her. As long as she isn't complaining about you standing............

I will admit that my stadium experience is limited, but I have never had anyone complain about people standing. My biggest issue with the stadium experience is that people are too stupid to find the right row to sit in, so it seems like you are always trying to cram 15 people into 13 "seats".

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

ND did win, right?

Only because of a bad pitch. That's what kept them off the board in the last minute. This is a game to not be happy with.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I think the bogus penalty was a huge moment. We would have gotten them off the field and would have scored. Same with TJ falling.

Those are huge plays against a team like Navy. We got ahead early last year, which made them play from behind. Once we're ahead by 14-17, they can't play ball control and just run the option.

Just my take.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

That unnecessary roughness penalty was bullshit. On the same play #64 for Navy hurt Day by grabbing his leg. Costly play. I know why D-linemen don't like to play Navy.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Meh! Let her. As long as she isn't complaining about you standing............

I will admit that my stadium experience is limited, but I have never had anyone complain about people standing. My biggest issue with the stadium experience is that people are too stupid to find the right row to sit in, so it seems like you are always trying to cram 15 people into 13 "seats".

I've seen it once at the Pitt game last year. Just a fat hick and his whale wife being morons. Never seen it otherwise in 50+ games. Every game does have the people who dont understand how the rows work.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Since I didn't play college ball only played HS, we played a 4-3 defense the majority of the time. I was a SS and sometimes played the FS depending on the team. But, we had two teams in the division that ran the double and triple option. When we played them, our coaches prepared us to play man-to-man with 'constant stick' for the DBs on the WRs and 'floaters' on the TEs to read the option run or fake/straight passing. It worked well.

Since everyone, including the announcers, agree that the Irish were more talented and bigger than OL of Navy, surely in man-to-man two or three of the defenders could have beat their man off the ball to make a play or force mistakes to have contained better.

Anyone's thoughts?

GO IRISH!!!!!!
Diz

 

[NDinL.A.]

Meh! Let her. As long as she isn't complaining about you standing............

I will admit that my stadium experience is limited, but I have never had anyone complain about people standing. My biggest issue with the stadium experience is that people are too stupid to find the right row to sit in, so it seems like you are always trying to cram 15 people into 13 "seats".

I used to think the same way after 2 games. Since then I've probably been to about 12-14 games, and it happens ALL THE TIME. It's truly sickening. My buddy came from L.A. for the MSU game and we were told multiple times by one lady to sit down (which I kindly told her wasn't going to happen). She called the ushers on us and they watched us for 5 minutes, concluded that we were doing nothing wrong but still called us down to the concourse and asked us to move seats anyway...and by seats I mean STANDING AGAINST A WALL!!! Not even kidding. I kindly told them to basically eff off because their boss has been begging ND fans to stand and cheer, and unless he had seats for us at the 50, we were going back to our seats to stand and cheer. They agreed and told us to have fun.

So yes bro, it happens.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Who was talking about USC or the rest of the season?

I responded to kmoose's endorsement of Diaco street creds.

kmoose had responded to N D Fighting Irish's post about Diaco being clueless planning for the option.

Quote:


Diaco laid an egg against Navy in '10, didn't he?

Diaco stifled Navy in '11 and '12.

Diaco laid an egg again in '13 in a repeat of '10!

I don't care if 40 players were injured. How many of Navy's players were offered by ND? How many of Toledo, Duke, or Western Kentucky, Air Forces defenders were offered by ND. Navy has lost or struggle against lesser talent than ND's.

The scheme AND the execution were poor.

ND was mystified by Navy's Unbalanced Line just as they were in '10. At the LOS offenses I.D. The ILB and how many men are in the box and adjust their blocking assignments accordingly. Defenses run similar checks ... Supposedly but Navy maintained the man advantage.

Tell me about the Navy TD run to the right of center in an unbalanced line. They had a 6-5 advantage before Carlo broke to the left side of thei line vacating the center of the field. Rees could have scored on that play!

Navy's top fullback, the backbone of Triple Option Dive was injured. His backup is not close to his production level. Credit the Navy O.C. for mixing up his usage by having the backup FB scrap the dive on some plays and functioning as a BLOCKING BACK off tackle where he block for the QB OR the pitchman. It gave Navy an extra blocker which is key. ND's ILB should have become available as an extra defender BUT he was effectively sealed off by an OL.

Bear Bryant one said, "I can beat his with mine and mine with his." Diaco couldn't win with either set of players yesterday because he got outcoached.

Pretty much post of the thread.

Yes, Navy had a "perfect" game. Kelly said it and it was true. Not a miscue. Not a penalty which was on the refs, because their line held more than ND's. Check it out.

And this is the part that fans miss; a triple option team beats themselves. Look at the Toledo game.

Why did Duke win? Did they whip Navy, or did Navy just execute abysmally?

And as far as Diaco, Kelly said in the press conference that for the last two years, Navy fell behind, and because of that were compelled to play outside of their standard triple option game. That is hardly a glowing endorsement of Diaco's defensive game plan.

 

[Grahambo]

Only because of a bad pitch. That's what kept them off the board in the last minute. This is a game to not be happy with.

I'm not supposed to be happy with a win? If Pitt does a similar job to the defense then Ill probably be a bit more vocal but considering the triple option, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt.

I think Nix not being in hurt more then anything else. His whole job is to clog the line so him being in there virtually shuts the dive down. Just my quick, unqualified opinion. I also think the CB did a poor job getting off their blocks and had bad run support from the S position. Tackling was bad too.

I was greatly frustrated with their performance but not something I can really base anything off since we wont see the TO for a year.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

So you're saying that you have NO qualifications, just your own frustration and arrogance? Who gave the opponent 3-4 yards pre snap? That's simple hyperbole from you, not any kind of intelligent observation. Playing a step or two off of the LOS helps keep you from getting cut blocked. If the offensive lineman has to take a few steps, with his head down, then you can more easily defeat his block than if all he has to do is fire off of the ball and immediately make contact with you.

Since you know so much about the scheme, enlighten us on the responsibilities of the following individuals, please?

DE
OLB
CB
S

As you focus on building your straw man, you have forgotten that it was you that claimed to know something that others are not privy to. You implied that it was the players' lack of effort and focus...except of course for Rees. . Again, how do you know about the players effort and focus? What are your qualifications to determine that?

I know that Diaco was clueless in 2010...just watch the interview. Considering what I saw yesterday and last week, clueless would be apt to describe our planning. You would expect some improvement this week...at least in terms of accounting for the pitch man.

Spin away.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Meh! Let her. As long as she isn't complaining about you standing............

I will admit that my stadium experience is limited, but I have never had anyone complain about people standing. My biggest issue with the stadium experience is that people are too stupid to find the right row to sit in, so it seems like you are always trying to cram 15 people into 13 "seats".

How come when ushers show you right to your seats, do so many people try to sit in the wrong seats? Aint that the truth!

Except I went to the last three ND games with a couple of my buddies, the smaller of the two goes 6'2" and about 320. We practiced alternate breathing; odds in; evens out! There is help coming. The stands were designed with 1930's size people in mind. I believe rectifying this and adding total seats you will find is the number one goal. (A head of a Jumbotron and field turf!)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

As you focus on building your straw man, you have forgotten that it was you that claimed to know something that others are not privy to. You implied that it was the players' lack of effort and focus...except of course for Rees. . Again, how do you know about the players effort and focus? What are your qualifications to determine that?

I know that Diaco was clueless in 2010...just watch the interview. Considering what I saw yesterday and last week, clueless would be apt to describe our planning. You would expect some improvement this week...at least in terms of accounting for the pitch man.

Spin away.

You know with posts like this I wish you would change your attitude and soften things up a bit. You have a good mind and some good points. However, you do have an unmistakable attitude issue. The "instigator!" This sight is often like drunk men in a dark room with burlap sacks over their heads swinging away!

You mentioned Diaco's interview in 2010. Ask yourself how many interviews you have seen of his since then. Better yet since he denied the Freddy Kruger comment that had been posted on UND.com for about two weeks to that point!

We do not have that kind of aggressive hurt your face defense. I like that kind of defense; I believe opponents don't. I think things are swinging farther away from it, toward some cerebral chess match of a defense. Go Irish!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You are wrong about the talent level. We have top 10-15 talent...even with our deficiencies. We should have beaten Michigan and Oklahoma...we were talent wise the better team.

Pollsters are stupid. ASU is a better team?

This is a great post!

 

[kmoose]

As you focus on building your straw man, you have forgotten that it was you that claimed to know something that others are not privy to. You implied that it was the players' lack of effort and focus...except of course for Rees. . Again, how do you know about the players effort and focus? What are your qualifications to determine that?

I know that Diaco was clueless in 2010...just watch the interview. Considering what I saw yesterday and last week, clueless would be apt to describe our planning. You would expect some improvement this week...at least in terms of accounting for the pitch man.

Spin away.

Asking you to qualify your opinion is now a straw man argument? Gotcha. I never claimed to know anything that others were not privvy to. You asked what the coaches were talking about, and I speculated as to an answer. The bottom line is you are just like the rest of us.............. you know nothing about the game plan. You're pissed off that the team didn't look as good as you wanted them to, and you latched on to the easiest thing; blame the game plan. That way, it's an easy fix. Just get a competent game plan, or a competent D Coordinator, and everything will be fixed. It's not that easy. It's time that people start realizing that things are not as black and white as we would like them to be.

 

[drayer54]

ND O-line should dominate the undersized academy kids every time... just saying

 

[Irish Insanity]

On my phone so I can't do much. Bust just saw a tweet that said Nix has a small meniscus tear.

 

[Patulski]

Good grief. The old coachspeak 1 v 1 matchups. This ain't basketball. Even if our guys won each 1 vs 1 matchups, pitch man was unaccounted for basically all game, because our safeties were playing two deep most of the game.

Do you actually believe anybody is going to take your analysis over Kelly's?

As for the pitch man: Cornerbacks can whip wide receivers' blocks and tackle the pitch man. Goodbye pitch gain.

 

[kmoose]

ND O-line should dominate the undersized academy kids every time... just saying

They pretty much did. ND had 264 yards rushing on 36 attempts. That's a 7.3 yard per carry average, as a team. That's pretty much dominating the LOS.

 

[Dizzyphil]

They pretty much did. ND had 264 yards rushing on 36 attempts. That's a 7.3 yard per carry average, as a team. That's pretty much dominating the LOS.

As did Navy's OL against the Irish 'D'. I know the Irish were depleated somewhat on defense but, no excuse for the domination that Navy showed up front.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!
Diz

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Asking you to qualify your opinion is now a straw man argument? Gotcha. I never claimed to know anything that others were not privvy to. You asked what the coaches were talking about, and I speculated as to an answer. The bottom line is you are just like the rest of us.............. you know nothing about the game plan. You're pissed off that the team didn't look as good as you wanted them to, and you latched on to the easiest thing; blame the game plan. That way, it's an easy fix. Just get a competent game plan, or a competent D Coordinator, and everything will be fixed. It's not that easy. It's time that people start realizing that things are not as black and white as we would like them to be.

A competent game plan similar to last year would have helped, but let's just agree to disagree. We won. I'm happy. I hope this is a learning experience for the staff. We will need that experience if Paul Johnson is still at Tech when we play them.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Do you actually believe anybody is going to take your analysis over Kelly's?

As for the pitch man: Cornerbacks can whip wide receivers' blocks and tackle the pitch man. Goodbye pitch gain.

Are you not the guy who claimed Kelly was the reincarnation of Gerry Faust? What changed?