Why South Bend, not Notre Dame, hurts recruiting...

[jiggafini19]

In that case, Wanstedt is one of the top 5 coaches because when he was in the NFL, he coached some great defensive players.

AAAAAHHHHH!!!! Kill me. Please, just kill me.

Dave Wannstedt? BARF. Talk about a victim of circumstance. The guy was DC of the Cowboys, one of the best and deepest defenses ever thanks to Hershell Walker. I don't care how long he was in the NFL, the guy was a total dope. His first year at Pitt was horrendous.

Pete Carroll has quite a bit of NFL experience. He has also sent more dopes to the NFL recently than good guys out of USC. Did he give Mike Williams good guidance? Not really. And how many of their guys slipped in the draft this past April because of various off the field questions? Plenty of them. Most of them, in fact.

USC isn't all that it is cracked up to be when it comes to promises of NFL riches. This year's draft showed me that you might be good, but what you do off the field comes into question as well. Lendale White, Winston Justice....these were first rounder that tumbled a little further down in the end.

 

[PantsB]

3 (or is it 4?) Super Bowl rings.

Its 5 (2 with Giants, 3 with Patriots).

Weis doesn't need to increase his rep to start drawing blue chippers. Earned at the college level or not, he's as hyped and touted a college coach as any that currently are in the game.

And, of course South Bend hurts recruiting those who want more of a city life. Its Indiana. South Bend might not be French Lick, but its also not Southern California or even Ann Arbor. That'll pull some recruits but its probably a net negative.

Academics also hurts and helps. It hurts because the standards can keep some players out. It helps because some students do want a good education. While other football institutions also are good academically (Sure Michigan, but SC? ), there aren't many that combine a shot at the NC, increased shot at the NFL and quality education.

 

[punishment]

Its 5 (2 with Giants, 3 with Patriots).

Weis doesn't need to increase his rep to start drawing blue chippers. Earned at the college level or not, he's as hyped and touted a college coach as any that currently are in the game.

And, of course South Bend hurts recruiting those who want more of a city life. Its Indiana. South Bend might not be French Lick, but its also not Southern California or even Ann Arbor. That'll pull some recruits but its probably a net negative.

Academics also hurts and helps. It hurts because the standards can keep some players out. It helps because some students do want a good education. While other football institutions also are good academically (Sure Michigan, but SC? ), there aren't many that combine a shot at the NC, increased shot at the NFL and quality education.

I thought Weis was on the Giants staff for only one of those Super Bowls. I keep hearing references to only 4 rings.

Actually, USC is a very good school academically. It's ranked in the top 30 and has supposedly produced more astronouts (sp?) than any other university. (Don't really believe it, but that is what there commercials starring Johyn Wayne say.)

 

[jiggafini19]

2005-Present Head Coach Notre Dame
2003-2004 Offensive Coordinator New England Patriots
2002 Offensive Coordinator & Quarterback Coach New England Patriots
2001 Offensive Coordinator, Quarterback Coach & Running Backs Coach New England Patriots
2000 Offensive Coordinator & Running Backs Coach New England Patriots
1998-1999 Offensive Coordinator & Wide Receivers Coach New York Jets
1997 Wide Receivers Coach New York Jets
1996 Wide Receivers Coach New England Patriots
1995 Running Backs Coach New England Patriots
1993-1994 Tight Ends Coach New England Patriots
1991-1992 Running Backs Coach New York Giants
1990 Assistant Coach New York Giants
1988 Assistant Coach South Carolina
1987 Defensive End Coach South Carolina

At some point, as time goes on, those Super Bowl rings will count less and less as his NFL time gets further back in the rearview mirror. He needs to keep ND consistent and competitive. The days of 31 point blowouts should be over.

For now, his New England success is a top selling point. It has to translate into Notre Dame as he goes from year to year.

 

[wheeler418]

I agree that the track record Weis has at ND is only one year, but if you are talking track records, then it appears most recruits look at his coaching track record. It has been stated earlier with the players that he has already improved. The guy has NFL connections, plus Super Bowl rings as in not one, but 4 total. (From what I thought Weis has stated.) If you have not notice that recruits do notice that and talk about it in interviews.

If for some reason ND has a bad season and goes 8-4 or worst, which I do not see happening, then you might have an argument about his track record. Weis is not a golfer, but a coach that has a proven track record over his career and will do well over the years at ND.

Look at most of the recruits we are getting, they mention Weis as one of the reasons they want to come to ND. They bring up the fact that he has coached in the NFL and in the Super Bowl.

Wansteadt’s record in the NFL was not that great? What did he do with the Bears or Dolphins? His first year at Pitt will probably be his best.

Yes South Bend could be an excuse, but if you want to play for an NC, then that will be over looked as it did in the pass.

 

[dankus]

At some point, as time goes on, those Super Bowl rings will count less and less as his NFL time gets further back in the rearview mirror. He needs to keep ND consistent and competitive. The days of 31 point blowouts should be over.

It should also be included that he needs to send kids to the draft as well, which will be a major selling point after this season I imagine.

 

[punishment]

I agree that the track record Weis has at ND is only one year, but if you are talking track records, then it appears most recruits look at his coaching track record. It has been stated earlier with the players that he has already improved. The guy has NFL connections, plus Super Bowl rings as in not one, but 4 total. (From what I thought Weis has stated.) If you have not notice that recruits do notice that and talk about it in interviews.

If for some reason ND has a bad season and goes 8-4 or worst, which I do not see happening, then you might have an argument about his track record. Weis is not a golfer, but a coach that has a proven track record over his career and will do well over the years at ND.

Look at most of the recruits we are getting, they mention Weis as one of the reasons they want to come to ND. They bring up the fact that he has coached in the NFL and in the Super Bowl.

Wansteadt’s record in the NFL was not that great? What did he do with the Bears or Dolphins? His first year at Pitt will probably be his best.

Yes South Bend could be an excuse, but if you want to play for an NC, then that will be over looked as it did in the pass.

My posts were not in regards to Charlie's overall track record, that can't be questioned. My posts were in regards to Charlie not having established a track record of puting players in the NFL. And my statement after that was that one year does not establish a track record of puting kids in the NFL and necessarily being a successful college coach. I'm not doubting that he is going to be great one. His work ethic is unreal.

O yea, and did nobody notice the sarcasm in my Wanstedt post? The guy absolutey sucks as a head coach, I wasn't defendin the guy. Although he did do a kick as job as DC for the Canes and for Dallas.

 

[jiggafini19]

O yea, and did nobody notice the sarcasm in my Wanstedt post? The guy absolutey sucks as a head coach, I wasn't defendin the guy. Although he did do a kick as job as DC for the Canes and for Dallas.

I noticed it. My reaction is typical of most Bear fans who hear that name. It amazes me how people still hate him here in Chicago. Following Ditka was a horrible idea. That on top of the fact that he sucked while doing so.

 

[punishment]

I noticed it. My reaction is typical of most Bear fans who hear that name. It amazes me how people still hate him here in Chicago. Following Ditka was a horrible idea. That on top of the fact that he sucked while doing so.

I have to admit that I am one of those people who tought Wanstedt would make a great coach, and I thought he would be a good fit for Chicago. I'm not exactly sure why his players never responded to him. I also thought he would do well at Pitt. Can't really judge him off this one year though and he should be given time.

If things don't work out for Wanstedt at Pitt, maybe he could become ND's next DC. (He was a great DC, that can't be taken away from him.)

 

[Indydomer]

You are killing me with that comment, "maybe he can be ND DC". Also as a loyal bears fan I couldn't handle him being a coach of one of my teams again. He sucks.

 

[jiggafini19]

Two Words to sum up Wannstedt: John Thierry.

 

[punishment]

Wow, I never realized that Bears fans' sentiments about Wanstedt were quite that strong.

 

[jiggafini19]

Wow, I never realized that Bears fans' sentiments about Wanstedt were quite that strong.

It amazes me how much people hate him still. Think Ty Willingham hate times ten.

But it also amazes me that everyone is still in love with Mike Ditka and can't move on with their lives. I have a feeling that all it will take will be another Super Bowl.

 

[Domer95]

Hope some of those guys, if they get to the NFL, don't get drafted by Green Bay!! Might interfere with their social life!!

On the other hand, Minnesota would be very appealing to some.............

 

[Indydomer]

I have another word : Rashaan Salaam or however you spell that potheads name.

 

[onenybrother]

Please!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please!!!!!!!!!!!!

Notre Dame have a coach with ring s on his fingers, tradition, a loyal fan base, and great academics. So I could care less, about some kid who don't want all of that. So have your Pasadena's, Miami, Dallas, or any other Big City College. I have Touchdown Jesus.

 

[penguin]

OKay, guys, when did the drinking age drop to 18 ? ...just an observation...

there are pros and cons to every campus....

maybe there isn't as large a student body at ND and maybe the diversity isn't as great, especially when it comes to women students.... (black women)

I do like the idea of a faster, more modern train to Chicago! When I visit my mother in Culver, I'd love to be able to visit friends in South Bend, then zip up to Chi-town for a few days before heading back to the left coast.