Tyler Change of Heart?

[SillyIrish]

In an article by Scout Mark Tyler states that he has had a change of heart and at this point he would have to give USC a slight edge over ND. Tyler said that once he came home for a few weeks from the ND trip and after the emotions subsided from the JC commit he began to feel that he wanted to be closer to home, and that USC gives him a sense of his old pop warner team in Palmdale. Tyler also staters how he speaks with Galippo and USC has recruited a pair of good QB. However Tyler did say that ND is still up there, and Coach Weis is visiting him on May 11 and that he is very intelligent and talks a good game.

Take what you want from the article but I don't think Tyler is 70/30 ND anymore, but recruiting is a long process and there is a long ways to go.

 

[jiggafini19]

I'm done worrying with offensive recruits. Weis' knowledge and the system speak for itself, as do the players he is bringing in. I'm not so much concerned about it anymore. Top QB, Top TE, a Top WR.

It's time to start dishing out the linebacker offers, lock up Ben Martin and figure out which DTs they're going to take when Marvin Austin goes to USC.

Tyler, from my point of view, sounds like a kid who is truly THNIKING about this decision and might very well be torn. Weis visits him today and all they can do is their very best to get him on an official so he can be on campus for another game as a senior.

 

[ND Lifer]

Has MLB Chris Colasanti out of Michigan been officially offered by Weis as yet?????

 

[Irish Envy]

Has MLB Chris Colasanti out of Michigan been officially offered by Weis as yet?????

He gave his verbal to Penn State.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I'm done worrying with offensive recruits. Weis' knowledge and the system speak for itself, as do the players he is bringing in. I'm not so much concerned about it anymore. Top QB, Top TE, a Top WR.

It's time to start dishing out the linebacker offers, lock up Ben Martin and figure out which DTs they're going to take when Marvin Austin goes to USC.

Tyler, from my point of view, sounds like a kid who is truly THNIKING about this decision and might very well be torn. Weis visits him today and all they can do is their very best to get him on an official so he can be on campus for another game as a senior.

That's a good take on it. We are not thin at RB...the offense is really looking good for the future. And frankly i give Kudos to Tyler for not rushing into it... This is a decision about your future and happiness...make sure you make the right decision.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

I think you also have to factor in the grade issues. I'm sure what Tyler says about being comfortable in California is true, but I also believe that a lot of recruits are intimidated by Notre Dame's academic reputation, especially those with a mediocre record---of which Tyler is one.

 

[Indydomer]

Óglaigh_na_hÉireann I think you also have to factor in the grade issues. I'm sure what Tyler says about being comfortable in California is true, but I also believe that a lot of recruits are intimidated by Notre Dame's academic reputation, especially those with a mediocre record---of which Tyler is one.

Nothing personal man, and it isn't just intended for you. I know we have high standards for academics, but how come every time a kid wants to go somewhere else it is because he isn't smart enough. You don't have to be the smartest kid in the world to go to ND(Tony Rice, Ricky Watters). You have to have good grades, but you don't have to be the top kid in your class to get into ND to play football. This is why a ton of people around the country hate ND is because we supposedly think we are better than everyone else. I personally don't feel that way, and yes I am glad we have high academic standards, but throwing it in the faces of everyone else is not the way to go.

I think Tyler just wants to make his own decision and not follow Jimmy around like he is his shadow. Now maybe Weis can go there and change his mind, but if not let the kid go. He wants what every other young man does. He wants to find his own way not be someone elses puppet.

Now that being said, I hope he comes to ND. He is a stud, and will have plenty of opportunities to create his own legacy at ND, even with Jimmy here too.

 

[punishment]

Nothing personal man, and it isn't just intended for you. I know we have high standards for academics, but how come every time a kid wants to go somewhere else it is because he isn't smart enough. You don't have to be the smartest kid in the world to go to ND(Tony Rice, Ricky Watters). You have to have good grades, but you don't have to be the top kid in your class to get into ND to play football. This is why a ton of people around the country hate ND is because we supposedly think we are better than everyone else. I personally don't feel that way, and yes I am glad we have high academic standards, but throwing it in the faces of everyone else is not the way to go.

I think Tyler just wants to make his own decision and not follow Jimmy around like he is his shadow. Now maybe Weis can go there and change his mind, but if not let the kid go. He wants what every other young man does. He wants to find his own way not be someone elses puppet.

Now that being said, I hope he comes to ND. He is a stud, and will have plenty of opportunities to create his own legacy at ND, even with Jimmy here too.

Amen, brother.

I agree with everything you just said.

 

[scooper]

Nice post, Indy.

 

[jiggafini19]

I agree with Indy, but I know where Oglaigh is coming from here.

Tyler's GPA did catch my eye today. I'm sure it turns some kids off and others value what they'll get as far as challenges in the classroom, but if a guy chooses to go someplace else some fans can often be fickle. I don't think Oglaigh was being fickle, it just might be his opinion on this particular kid.

I, for one, have been saying for weeks now that ND is not for Marvin Austin. I think it goes further than just school. With reports coming out now that he's more of a city kid, I might be right. I just think he gets the feeling ND isn't a fit for him.

 

[HeavenKnows]

Marc Tyler attends a prestigious high school. His curriculum is "college Prep". That 2.5 is not a regular 2.5. He can handle the rigors of Notre Dame. He could probably attend a public high school and post a 3.7 with the same effort and we would not have this discussion.

 

[irish4life99]

In an article by Scout Mark Tyler states that he has had a change of heart and at this point he would have to give USC a slight edge over ND. Tyler said that once he came home for a few weeks from the ND trip and after the emotions subsided from the JC commit he began to feel that he wanted to be closer to home, and that USC gives him a sense of his old pop warner team in Palmdale. Tyler also staters how he speaks with Galippo and USC has recruited a pair of good QB. However Tyler did say that ND is still up there, and Coach Weis is visiting him on May 11 and that he is very intelligent and talks a good game.

Take what you want from the article but I don't think Tyler is 70/30 ND anymore, but recruiting is a long process and there is a long ways to go.

Very well could be, but at this point I think if Tyler is smart he may wait till after the NCAA investigation to make a decision. Even heard some rumblings about Galippo bailing if the situation at USC turns sour. It's stlll early.

 

[SillyIrish]

I understand the fact that ND needs D and offense recruits will always be jumping to play on a CW O, but I would hate to lose any 5* player especially if that recruit turns down USC. If you asked me would I trade TYLER for Barksdale, Martin, Austin, or Richetti Jones I definately would take either over Tyler at this point and if you didn't you would be crazy. All for bringing as much talent in as possible at any position.

 

[irishwavend]

I do not think we are very deep at running back at all. TT is gone after this year, DW has one more year, and Aldridge has potential to be banged up his entire career. We HAVE to have a running back in this class who is worth a damn. I don't know who that will be, but we need somebody who has Julius' explosiveness. That's just my opinion, though.

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

We need at least 1 running back every year just because of the potential for injury. Tyler would be awesome!

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

Marc Tyler attends a prestigious high school. His curriculum is "college Prep". That 2.5 is not a regular 2.5. He can handle the rigors of Notre Dame. He could probably attend a public high school and post a 3.7 with the same effort and we would not have this discussion.

Oh, I didn't know much about Oak Christian. Well, I believe it.

 

[Irish Envy]

I do not think we are very deep at running back at all. TT is gone after this year, DW has one more year, and Aldridge has potential to be banged up his entire career. We HAVE to have a running back in this class who is worth a damn. I don't know who that will be, but we need somebody who has Julius' explosiveness. That's just my opinion, though.

You really need two each year simply for depth, injury and unseen circumstance like disciplinary issues, grades, transfers, position changes, etc. I'm certain we'll take at least two backs (more if you consider the hybrids Weis also favors) each and every year unless there is just a larger need at another position.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

This is why a ton of people around the country hate ND is because we supposedly think we are better than everyone else. I personally don't feel that way, and yes I am glad we have high academic standards, but throwing it in the faces of everyone else is not the way to go.

I disagree. Our graduation rate is something to brag about. In the NCAA universities should be stressing academics, many aren't. The fact that kids at some schools can play on Saturdays without working on Sunday-Friday, combined with the disparity in that there are plenty of kids at those schools who do just that and are neck-deep in student debts because they 'didn't earn an academic scholarship' because they chose not to follow Earnie Sims' life-plan deeply pisses me off.

So yeah, let's be honest, a lot of the kids that are going to play college football probably wouldn't get into the university if they followed the normal application process---including Notre Dame. It should be easy to argue that college football athletes deserve scholarships; the idea athlete works his ass off sunday-friday on the field and in the class-room. I don't think a lot of critics realize how tough football is, especially when you're training at the college level, I play high school, but I have a small understanding of what's involved. So the work on the field matters and makes athletes worthy of earning a scholarship, and sometimes more worthy of a scholarship than most of the kids that are admitted purely on an academic basis.

I think Notre Dame does one hell of a job of ensuring that their student-athletes earn their scholarship and like I said, I think that's something worth bragging about. Why? Because it brings up the issue and that matters. Unfortunately it's still only a whisper around places like Miami, Ohio State and USC; we get excited when a guy like Munir Prince, with an excellent academic record, commits to Notre Dame. Miami fans rave when they learn one of their commits passed the ACT.

So I'm pissed because it makes a mockery of all the hardships that students have to face. I'm talking about the kids that apply to Notre Dame, their dream school, and work their ass off 24/7/365 for four years only to have their hopes crushed with a letter in the mail. I'm talking about all the kids that join ROTC to pay for their education. I'm talking about the smart kids that can't afford an education.

All I ever said is that I wouldn't be surprised if Marc Tyler were intimidated by Notre Dame, I would be too.

 

[gipper2nd@yahoo.com]

Trust me.............Tyler should not be intimidated by ND. Oaks Christian is a high pressure private school, with a great high school program. They recruit from everywhere.....It is simply one of the best programs in the state...along with St. Bonaventure. Some of their coaches have NFL ties, ie: The Matthews kid's father played in the NFL & is one of their coaches.

 

[Slingsup]

I'm disappointed that Tyler seems to be wavering on his prior mentioned "70% Irish" statement. I don't think he comes anymore. Before, I thought he may be a lock. Oh well, defense is the key to winning championships...let's recruit them.

 

[irish4life99]

I'm disappointed that Tyler seems to be wavering on his prior mentioned "70% Irish" statement. I don't think he comes anymore. Before, I thought he may be a lock. Oh well, defense is the key to winning championships...let's recruit them.

It's still a long year. Remember these are just 17 year old kids. Let's give em a little slack. He's not not in the USC locker room listining to Snoop Dog give motivational speeches yet.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

The thing that frightens me is the story-line. "Two former high school team-mates, each recruited just as hard as the other (well sort of), and good friends squaring off in the last game of the season to determine whether it is Notre Dame or USC that is headed for the national championship game".

It sounds too real, we should've seen it coming.

 

[dankus]

This is one of the problems with recruiting sites.

We hear one thing, they get new information a week or two later that discredits it.

Now, we have to operate on faith that their information is 100% credible when it could very well be misinformation by the recruit. I mean if Kamara can fool around on his myspace by putting UofMiami logos and Miami players on it, I find it entirely possible Tyler could be fooling around as well.

Also, you could bring up Tyler's recruiting diary on ESPN. ESPN would find their readers bored if Tyler began gushing over one school for the remainder of his posts until his announcement date. So, a little nudge by ESPN to make the recruiting battle ongoing could bring about a little drama and more entertained readers.

Or, scout.com could be correct and we simply would move on to find the next person who would fit well into our offensive juggernaut. Golden Tate perhaps ?

 

[irishwavend]

1.) Tate isn't THAT good...I saw some guy on Rivals try to compare him to Reggie Bush...I think not...I've seen him play...Good, but not great.

2.) If you were fooled by Kamara's Miami Page, please....Raise your hand...we won't see you, but you can now walk to a mirror, look at yourself, and say, "I am one gullible SOB." Next, call me, and I will peddle you something worthless and take your money, laughing all of the way to the bank, because again, you are gullible.

Alright, that might be a little harsh, but I am just playing around while making a point. Nobody should have been fooled by Kamara's antics.

 

[scooper]

I disagree. Our graduation rate is something to brag about. In the NCAA universities should be stressing academics, many aren't. The fact that kids at some schools can play on Saturdays without working on Sunday-Friday, combined with the disparity in that there are plenty of kids at those schools who do just that and are neck-deep in student debts because they 'didn't earn an academic scholarship' because they chose not to follow Earnie Sims' life-plan deeply pisses me off.

So yeah, let's be honest, a lot of the kids that are going to play college football probably wouldn't get into the university if they followed the normal application process---including Notre Dame. It should be easy to argue that college football athletes deserve scholarships; the idea athlete works his ass off sunday-friday on the field and in the class-room. I don't think a lot of critics realize how tough football is, especially when you're training at the college level, I play high school, but I have a small understanding of what's involved. So the work on the field matters and makes athletes worthy of earning a scholarship, and sometimes more worthy of a scholarship than most of the kids that are admitted purely on an academic basis.

I think Notre Dame does one hell of a job of ensuring that their student-athletes earn their scholarship and like I said, I think that's something worth bragging about. Why? Because it brings up the issue and that matters. Unfortunately it's still only a whisper around places like Miami, Ohio State and USC; we get excited when a guy like Munir Prince, with an excellent academic record, commits to Notre Dame. Miami fans rave when they learn one of their commits passed the ACT.

So I'm pissed because it makes a mockery of all the hardships that students have to face. I'm talking about the kids that apply to Notre Dame, their dream school, and work their ass off 24/7/365 for four years only to have their hopes crushed with a letter in the mail. I'm talking about all the kids that join ROTC to pay for their education. I'm talking about the smart kids that can't afford an education.

All I ever said is that I wouldn't be surprised if Marc Tyler were intimidated by Notre Dame, I would be too.

I don't disagree with any of this. But the insinuation that students attending certain other universities don't care or are scared of academics is not the right attitude to take. If a player proves to be a slacker or not take school seriously, so be it. But there are some good dedicated students playing for EVERY program. Unfortunately, not enough as there should be in a perfect world, but to label a kid before he proves himself one way or another is wrong in my opinion.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

I don't disagree with any of this. But the insinuation that students attending certain other universities don't care or are scared of academics is not the right attitude to take. If a player proves to be a slacker or not take school seriously, so be it. But there are some good dedicated students playing for EVERY program. Unfortunately, not enough as there should be in a perfect world, but to label a kid before he proves himself one way or another is wrong in my opinion.

I never labeled Tyler as being intimidated by Notre Dame's academic standards. I said he may be intimidated by ND's academic standards.

Also noteworthy is that I don't approach many athletes with that attitude. Someone like Marvin Austin may or may not be a good student, I don't know, but I'm not afraid to admit that maybe he feels more comfortable at a university like USC for reasons other than academics. But Tyler's GPA struck me as interesting. I don't care if he goes to 'one of the best college prep schools in the country'---personally I'd like to see if Oak Christian is any more difficult than the school I'm attending now---a 2.5 is a 2.5 is a 2.5. When you look at other ND recruits, some may have low test scores, but those guys often make up for it with a good GPA, and I have yet to see one as low as a 2.5.

Now don't get me wrong, I love the guy, I want to see him in South Bend. But if he elects to play at USC, I think USC's 'we don't give a shit' attitude toward academics are one valid reason why he may have made that choice.

 

[jiggafini19]

Guys, some people out there think Tyler is playing the game right now. This isn't a biggie. He won't be in Jimmy Clausen's shadow because, quite frankly, he really isn't in it now and would not be in South Bend either. I have said this before and I'll stand by it: Tyler is the best football player on Oaks Christian. He'll be Irish.

ND is going to get Tyler and Hughes, one RB And one FB. Hughes isn't exclusively a FB, either, like Luke Schmidt. He is versititle enough to take carries as an RB or out of single back sets.

 

[BigMattWW04]

Hughes can also play linebacker. He sure looks as if he'd be an imposing MLB in college. No matter where he plays, i'd just like to see him go to ND. How confident are you guys that Hughes will get an offer?

 

[robdog_5]

hughes needs to up his grades a little, and qualify for ND but I'm not sure ND wants to take both of those guys.