All-Time Irish Football Team - Quarterback

[IrishfaninLA]

whoever is putting in all the votes for montana is crazy. Definately not the best ever. Maybe if you put him in our current system, but back then it was different. Can't argue Brady's numbers, but don't forget about Lujack. He was badass.

I couldn't agree with you more. In reading the previous threads the basis for picking one quaterback over another was 1) Overall record 2) National Title 3)Heisman winner
Lujack had it all, hands down. His overall record while at ND was 26-1-1 while the starting quaterback in 1943,46, &47. Notre Dame was the National Champs each of those years, and finailly Lujack won the Heisman in 1947!
How could you not pick Lujack knowing that!!

 

[Irish Envy]

BUMP FOR VOTES

Please, please, please remember that this is based on COLLEGIATE performance only. What they did in the pros is insignificant!

 

[jiggafini19]

whoever is putting in all the votes for montana is crazy.

I gotta go with my guy Indy on this one.

Probably the best ND NFL Alum ever, but his career at ND was a glint in his stardom's eye.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

it's sad to see tony keep dropping behind after his quick start.

 

[imroc]

Alright, Alright. Say I'm caught up or whatever you want. I love looking back at game footage and reading about the greats. Until last season, I would've never thought I'd be saying that some "modern" QB is the greatest. Now...I am. I love Brady Quinn and I firmly believe that if he hadn't been punished for some sin of his past by being coached by Willingham and would've been coached better for his whole Irish career, he would be untouchable as far as stats and such. I simply love this kid! Last season another thought came across my mind. What if Ron was coached by Charlie? WOW!

 

[grantland]

I gotta go with my guy Indy on this one.

Probably the best ND NFL Alum ever, but his career at ND was a glint in his stardom's eye.

Okay fellas I have to make something of a case for Joe. I probably am a bit biased because I was twelve years old when Montanna won the National Championship - alot of my votes on these polls will come from that team.

But he did some pretty good things at ND and was defintely in the mold of a Golden Boy.

Pirated from another site:

As a redshirt junior at Notre Dame in 1977, after sitting out the previous season because of a separated shoulder, Montana took the Irish to a national championship. In his career he led them to five improbable fourth-quarter comebacks (deficits ranging from eight to 22 points).

The most dramatic of them was his last collegiate game, at the 1979 Cotton Bowl, when he fought hypothermia in the ice and wind in Dallas. After being fed bouillon during the second half to get his temperature back near normal, he led Notre Dame from a 34-12 deficit to a 35-34 victory in the final 7:37, throwing a perfect pass to Kris Haines for a touchdown with no time remaining.

 

[Irish Envy]

Bump.

 

[irishN1]

okay! I voted for Joe,not based on his NFL career,but the way he played on the field,how can you not vote for him? He may not have the numbers, BUT he won a NC and those come backs were awesome! I watched those come backs when I was a kid,His playing on the field exemplifed ND football period!

 

[mtoo]

Guys,
Most of you must have been too young to see Joe Theisman for if you were indeed fortunate to watch him at ND he would certainly have a lot more votes. Theisman as in Heisman!

 

[bmf175]

ALthough Quinn hasnt had the success that a Notre Dame QB must have in order to be a GREAT ND QB. He is my definition of what a QB should be.
He would have alot more rushes in his career if Ty would have encouraged him to run when he felt like it.
You notice with Weis he is encouraged to run when he has the chance. Its good to keep the defense close.
Breaking multiple passing records I think he will always be in the top QB discussion for as long as ND has a football team.
Of course Mirer would be next anybody after that I woulod have to go off what I hear and read because Im not old enough to have seen anybody else play.

 

[bmf175]

That is a valid arguement but regardless I look at leadership and wins and "big wins" Rice was almost unbeatable as a collegiate QB and always came up big in the big games and never made the costly mistake....don't get me wrong, Mirer was a great QB but I would take Rice over Mirer any day of the week.......on another note I believe that Holiday could have been a GREAT QB in a Holtz style of offense (ie. another Tony Rice).

Holiday should have never been at QB. I dont know what his completion percent was, but watching him play QB was some of the most stressfull games I remember. He wasnt accurate at all. To be a QB first things first YOU HAVE TO BE ACCURATE!!!! And if you can run as well, GREAT! They should have put him at WR alot sooner, but they really didnt have anybody to replace him until Quinn came on the scene.
If you get replaced by a freshmen after acouple years of being a starter you shouldnt have been starting to begin with.

 

[KMac151993]

Stick Holiday in the same offense the Tony Rice ran and he preforms a lot better, the kid was an option QB through and through and was attempted to be converted to a pro style passer. Its like trying to stick a square peg into a round hole it won't work. After saying all this Holiday would have been no Tony Rice but he certainly was a capable QB.

 

[KMac151993]

Plus the guy that is leading this voting contest threw as many touchdowns as interceptions in his college career, so I think a lot of people are just voting based upon overall career success; so I will also throw in the "what-if" scenerio's.

 

[bmf175]

Plus the guy that is leading this voting contest threw as many touchdowns as interceptions in his college career, so I think a lot of people are just voting based upon overall career success; so I will also throw in the "what-if" scenerio's.

Exactly..."What if"....
The fact is that he WAS a OPTION QB put into an offense that didnt play to his strengths...oh well. Bottom line is he had minimal success, therefore doesnt belong in this list.
If we put people on the list based on "What ifs", we should go ahead and put Ronnie P on the list as well. He was suppossed to be great but Davie didnt help much. Bottom line both of them only had minimal success and therefore shouldnt be considered with the likes of Rice, Montana, Theisman, Quinn to name a few.
This is not a, "What if the cards fell into place who would be the best ND QB." All the potential in the world and $1 will get you a cup of coffee. WHO PERFORMED THE BEST???

 

[Slingsup]

After seeing Brady play the last few seasons, I think he has the toughness of Tony Rice (getting planted on the ground many times during his first 2 seasons thanks to the offensive line), the ability of Rick Mirer, and the no quit attitude of Joe Montana. Lately, his decision making ability has improved. He has already broken many, many records and still has his senior season to go. He is humble and smart. The only thing that may change my mind is if he plays terribly this season and does not win a NC. I think they stand a chance but the college game is funny these days...

He gets my kudos.

 

[KMac151993]

Exactly..."What if"....
The fact is that he WAS a OPTION QB put into an offense that didnt play to his strengths...oh well. Bottom line is he had minimal success, therefore doesnt belong in this list.
If we put people on the list based on "What ifs", we should go ahead and put Ronnie P on the list as well. He was suppossed to be great but Davie didnt help much. Bottom line both of them only had minimal success and therefore shouldnt be considered with the likes of Rice, Montana, Theisman, Quinn to name a few.
This is not a, "What if the cards fell into place who would be the best ND QB." All the potential in the world and $1 will get you a cup of coffee. WHO PERFORMED THE BEST???

What I was saying too was that Montana does not deserve more votes then guys like Tony Rice...while Montana was great he never posted out of this world numbers in college, he was a clutch guy with ice water for veins but still how can you argue with Rice's career record; also I didn't say or think that Holiday deserved to be on this list...just that he was the wrong guy for the wrong system.

 

[Irish Envy]

Bump. Poll closes on June 23rd.

 

[Irishmist]

Picking Quinn, Rice & Montana over ...Bertelli (Heisman winner), Lujack (Heisman winner),
Hornung (Heisman winner),Theisman (runner up to Plunkett for Heisman)...is absolutely ridiculous!!!!!

Also, at last look, voting for running back......our only Heisman trophy winning running back did not receive one vote.....John Lattner.

We have had some fine quarterbacks in recent years, but I think some of our younger fans should do some reading...and research to learn more about the players who made ND the legendary football program that it is today.

Brady Quinn has all the earmarks of a great one.....but he really has had only one good year. Let's at least see if he has the stuff to have "2 in a row" and can convince the voters that he deserves the Heisman...before we annoint him as the greatest in ND history!!!

 

[punishment]

That's exactly how I feel Irishmist.

I think Montana is in the lead because of his greatness with the niners. I was under the impression that this poll was for "greatest ND quarterback of all time" but instead it turned into a "greatest ND quarterback in the pros of all time." And your right about Brady, one good season is not enough. But everybody is riding the Brady bandwagon. If he totally flopped this year, I wonder how many people would still vote for Brady as the greatest of all time. Yup, that's right.

I'm still sticking with Rick Mirer.

 

[KMac151993]

Picking Quinn, Rice & Montana over ...Bertelli (Heisman winner), Lujack (Heisman winner),
Hornung (Heisman winner),Theisman (runner up to Plunkett for Heisman)...is absolutely ridiculous!!!!!

Also, at last look, voting for running back......our only Heisman trophy winning running back did not receive one vote.....John Lattner.

We have had some fine quarterbacks in recent years, but I think some of our younger fans should do some reading...and research to learn more about the players who made ND the legendary football program that it is today.

Brady Quinn has all the earmarks of a great one.....but he really has had only one good year. Let's at least see if he has the stuff to have "2 in a row" and can convince the voters that he deserves the Heisman...before we annoint him as the greatest in ND history!!!

Whats wrong with picking Rice over some of those guys?

 

[punishment]

Whats wrong with picking Rice over some of those guys?

I think the problem with Rice is that he happened to be the QB when ND won the championship, but was not really that great. The 88 team was a team with a strong running game, and great defense. The passing numbers were not good at all.

It would be like saying that Tee Martin was better than Peyton Manning.

 

[KMac151993]

I judge a QB by leadership and wins not necessarily by how many yards he throws for...plus Rice never made the big mistake he just won games. And just for the record I don't think Manning is a great or the best QB in UT history.