A laugh and head scratch...The Wit and "Wisdom" of Ty-ger

[jiggafini19]

sometimes there is fault in not just what we do, but what we fail to do.

And this is my biggest problem with college athletics.

Well said.

 

[Indydomer]

Honestly fellas I am a white guy that grew up in a small farm town in Indiana. My two best friends are black. I've been friends with them since 5th grade. Back then they were about the only two black kids in the town. When I became friends with them I didn't know what racism was. They were cool cats so I hung out with them. Firing a black coach because he failed is not racism. I could tell you some stories about shit that was said to those two as well as me, for hanging with them, when we would go out somewhere. Everyone who is rich like Stephan A. Smith and all the other assholes on ESPN and such (white and black) who claim racism over this kind of shit are completely wrong. If it weren't for people like this who like to claim racism just because inside they really can't see past white and black themselves are retarded.

It's time for all of them to grow up, and realize no matter what color you are, you still have to bust your ass to get where you want to be, and if you fail once you get there, you start over and try again.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but this kind of shit pisses me off!!

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

come on...to play dumb about the issue and say "i don't know" instead of "i believe it was or wasn't an issue" is a BS move, plain and simple. you don't honestly think that he had absolutely no opinion on it do you? he was the one that got fired for cripes sake - you know damn well he had an opinion on whether race is involved. to say "i don't know" is the easy way for him to come out "technically" clean, not tipping his hand, while leaving the door open for a dumbass like saunders say it for him.
but see, ty knows how to play the media game. he knew that he could continue to play the martyr by saying "i don't know," instead of giving his opinion. he knew that if he said, "i don't believe race was an issue," then the media would use his words against him and paint him as a mediocre coach, possibly hurting his future job opportunities. if he said "i believe race was an issue," then he'd have to deal with (at least a segment of) the media accusing him of playing the race card when it was an issue of wins and losses.
so in the end, ty did what was best for him - something i don't necessarily blame him for. it was a very clever tactic. let the media storm swirl about racial bias, avoid offering your opinion on the topic, and reap the rewards in the court of public opinion. but make no mistake - when he said "i don't know" in the saunders interview, and allowed saunders, a black journalist, to imply that race was a factor without either 1) correcting him or 2) supporting those comments, he hung ND out to dry. sometimes there is fault in not just what we do, but what we fail to do.

IMO you are giving him way to much credit, EVERYTHING said about his guy is that he is a man of great integrity. A man of Great integrity would not just throw out his opinion on such a serious matter. He would give an honest answer of I don't know. I'm sure he suspected that maybe it was, but It would be VERY irresponsible to say it Was. On the flip side, if he didn't think it was, It would be irresponsible to say it wasn't when the possibility that it was, is there.

He was hired when ND needed a PR save after O'leary then was the first coach not allowed to finish his first contract in the History of ND, despite having the same winning % as the previous coach who not only got his 4 year deal but an extension. He was fired when the first big name candidate came alont (Urban Meyer)

To say you know race wasn't involved is just as irresponsible as saying it was when you don't know. The man gave the correct answer to the question. Could he gone out of his way to make ND Look better, sure...but why would he? They just fired him 2 years shy of his contract, when he had a VERY YOUNG and VERY TALENTED team

 

[scooper]

FI9, I'm not going to argue with you on your main premise-moving on and letting the man do the same thing. If he succeeds at Washington, he does. If not, he doesn't. I don't think much of him as a coach, but I'm not going to follow him around reminding people of that.

However, you keep brining up the "not allowing him to finish his contract" thing. Letting him go being the right, wrong or whatever thing to do, his contract was honored to its fullest extent. The buyout he asked for was paid. The contract was followed to the letter of the law.

Still, I have better things to do than parsing his pressers at UW.

 

[jiggafini19]

The buyout he asked for was paid.

And here is the best part about this. People bleed for this guy and he got paid for NOT coaching at ND, plus got paid for coaching at UW. I'm supposed to feel sorry for him? Yeah, right. And he landed a job awful quick after he was let go from the one he had.

Dare I say it? MY HEART PUMPS PISS FOR URBAN MEYER AND MY HEART PUMPS PISS FOR TYRONE WILLINGHAM.

Had to bring that one back.....

 

[BigIrish]

To say you know race wasn't involved is just as irresponsible as saying it was when you don't know. The man gave the correct answer to the question. Could he gone out of his way to make ND Look better, sure...but why would he? They just fired him 2 years shy of his contract, when he had a VERY YOUNG and VERY TALENTED team

listen, you can talk in circles all you want about how things look in a vacuum in the absence of common sense - placing ty on a pedestal with the "man of great integrity" tag and ignoring any evidence that suggests otherwise. i've never seen such an effort to give Ty the benefit of the doubt so passionately while refusing to offer any to ND.

you can polish a turd all day long but at the end of the day, it's still a turd, and you've still got a mess on your hands.

but all things aside, scooper's right - ty willingham himself - nobody else - negotiated a performance clause into his contract that allowed ND to buy out the remainder of his services if they were unhappy with the results of the field. and for the record, despite bob davies' contract extension, he was still let go in the middle of his extension - a move that ultimately paved the way for ty in the first place.

 

[irish4life99]

ND was in a lose, lose situation with Ty and his staff. In five years when ND football is back to where it's used to being, and Ty is no longer coaching a division one team, then all this jabber will not be worth anything but hot air. Ty has continued his below average recruting, even by UW standards, with only 18 commits and most of them not even being offered by a top 25 school. I remember after the last UW game that the staff was taking a two week vacation. During the peak of the recruting process let alone. What did CW and his staff after the last game? Got on 5 differenent planes in 5 different directions recruiting players. I said it here first. In 5 years, Ty will no longer be coaching a div1 team. I'm out on this subject.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

i've never seen such an effort to give Ty the benefit of the doubt so passionately while refusing to offer any to ND.

How am I not giving any benifet of the doubt to ND....I don't think race had anything to do with it. That is my opinion. But If I was in Ty's spot and did not know if it did or did not, I would say. I DON"T KNOW....

MY god a man says a very honest, I DON"T KNOW and you guys jump all over him? Then throw out all kinds of saying about polishing a turd


YEs cooper is right about the Clause and that is why he is gone, no one here is saying Race had anything to do with it, I'm simply saying Willingham saying I DON"T KNOW is FAR from throwing ND under the bus

 

[Pete]

He was hired when ND needed a PR save after O'leary then was the first coach not allowed to finish his first contract in the History of ND, despite having the same winning % as the previous coach who not only got his 4 year deal but an extension. He was fired when the first big name candidate came alont (Urban Meyer)

Ty's mediocrity followed Davie's mediocrity. In my opinion, Notre Dame should have never hired Ty, his winning percentage was lower than Davie's

Davie 35-25 .583
Ty 44-36-1 .543 @ Stanford

Who fires somebody and then hire somebody more mediocore.

records and winning percentage from cfbdatawarehouse.com

 

[jiggafini19]

Davie 35-25 .583
Ty 44-36-1 .543 @ Stanford
Who fires somebody and then hire somebody more mediocore.

I recall getting a phone call from my dad the day they hired him. The first thing he said to me was "Have you seen his record against USC?"

What is interesting about both TW and CW is that they were not the first choice in each circumstance. Mariucci and Gruden gave way for O'Leary, Urban Meyer for Weis.

 

[Domer95]

Let me start by saying, I did not post this to 'bash Ty-ger', per se. My intent was to compare/contrast his pressers/answers w/ CDub's and to show us (as if we need reminding) how much better things are currently. I agree that it's been over a year and normally we should 'just let things go'.

But this is different. ND football is NOT your 'normal' football program, a la, say USC (South Carolina) or a Wake Forest. People care PASSIONATELY about it, probably most are unhealthy in their obsession. So be it. We all have our vices.

We feel that a fraud was perpetrated on us, by an opportunistic coach who was in over his head, failed to develop talent, failed to give ND the best opportunity to win, failed to listen to/heed supervisors' instructions, failed to put his whole effort into his job (FORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), searched for an escape hatch when the ax looked possible and then had the nerve to bad mouth the hand that fed him $5MM to walk away.

I did not intend to start a race riot with this thread and I apologize if things got out of control. Everyone is entitled to their opinion (even John Saunders and Jason Brainlock). All we need to be concerned with are the facts, specifically the on the field job performance of the team, and they are awesomely indicting in Ty-ger's case. Let the purveyors of logarrhea spew and spew and we can take comfort in the fact that we've found someone who's competent and who GET'S IT about ND and enjoy the next 10....or even 15 years as CDub has recently floated.

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