Urban doesn't like his RBs

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Read this and you'll be adding Mrs Meyer to your Christmas card.


Urban Bashes his RBs

Hey Urban, did you ever think that you might be part of the problem? Calling your RBs "trash" is classless and I'm glad he's not wearing an ND logo shirt while saying it.

 

[Irish Envy]

Classy, classy fellow. You just can't help but not love the guy!

 

[jiggafini19]

The guy is intense....I admire his passion, or abundance thereof.

Interesting tactic here...playing mind games perhaps? Motivating these RBs to suceed in spite of him....or to spite him?

I guess he ripped Timmy Tebow because TT ballooned up to over 240 lbs. when he enrolled early. He lost a lot of the weight, but Urban really chewed his big 'ol butt out.

 

[Aerosmith777]

I like that man less and less as a coach and a person.

I know it sounds like rationalizing after the fact, but I'll say it anyway. Thank God he didn't wanna come coach the Irish and they lucked out w/ Charlie instead.

 

[nayers]

i love how he called his student athletes "trash" great recruiting tactic, come play RB for me.

 

[irish4life99]

Wow, we sure missed getting such a great motivating coach in Urban. You do sense the sarcasim right. He better hope his little ploy to motivate don't back fire on him. Like I'm sure he's not gonna play a tailback. I know the Florida player are not of the highest intellgence, unless they start testing on automatic weapons, but I think even they can figure out that will never happen.

 

[nayers]

why else do you think they go to flordia...because the academic standards at Miami are to tuff

 

[irishwavend]

His class in dealing with the gun issue is really stellar, as well.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

His class in dealing with the gun issue is really stellar, as well.

Sorry but I'm with Jiggafan, and I'll take it a step further, I think a lot of the complaints are simply sour grapes. I think a lot of ND fans go out of their way to try and trash Meyer.

If Weis said the same thing, many of you would be praising him for being a no nonsense kinda guy who lets the players know how he really feels and doesn't hold their hands.

Meyer thinks his RB's played like garbage and let them know it. Big deal. It will probably work for him, considering his success in the past

 

[Vince Young]

Actually, as I recall, there were more than a few eyebrows raised here on this board a few weeks ago when one of the architecture grads dropped off of the team to focus on academics, and Weis came out with guns a-blazin'. So, I don't think this is entirely a case of it being "their guy" instead of "our guy."

Also, there's a world of difference between saying "Our defense needs to improve" (as Weis has said) versus "Our running game this year was garbage" (as Urban has said). One is an honest assesment. The other is an out-and-out insult, done in a very public manner.

It's one thing to say that behind the closed doors of the locker room; I'm sure Weis has said that and worse. (See the Syracuse and Stanford games.) But saying it in public is crossing a big, red glowing line.

But what greatly amuses me is that many of the same voices who trash Urban now are the same ones who were calling him the Urban Legend when it looked like he was coming to Notre Dame. *shrug*

 

[Irish Envy]

But what greatly amuses me is that many of the same voices who trash Urban now are the same ones who were calling him the Urban Legend when it looked like he was coming to Notre Dame. *shrug*

I thought Urban Legend was a derog term?

 

[Aerosmith777]

Actually, as I recall, there were more than a few eyebrows raised here on this board a few weeks ago when one of the architecture grads dropped off of the team to focus on academics, and Weis came out with guns a-blazin'. So, I don't think this is entirely a case of it being "their guy" instead of "our guy."
Also, there's a world of difference between saying "Our defense needs to improve" (as Weis has said) versus "Our running game this year was garbage" (as Urban has said). One is an honest assesment. The other is an out-and-out insult, done in a very public manner.
It's one thing to say that behind the closed doors of the locker room; I'm sure Weis has said that and worse. (See the Syracuse and Stanford games.) But saying it in public is crossing a big, red glowing line.

Yeah, I was about to say the same thing. If Weis ever publicly called one of his players "trash," I'd be just as upset as I am w/ Meyer. In fact, more so, since Weis is the head coach of Notre Dame and I think he should be held up to a much higher standard than Meyer.

But what greatly amuses me is that many of the same voices who trash Urban now are the same ones who were calling him the Urban Legend when it looked like he was coming to Notre Dame. *shrug*

Hey, I'll be the first one to admit it, I was crowing for them to write Meyer a blank check when Willingham was fired (although, to be fair, I didn't turn around and start bashing him right away when he signed w/ Florida. It took several months, a whole lot of anti-Notre Dame garbage from his mouth to recruits' ears, and a couple of incidents like this for that to happen) and when they first hired Weis, while I was happy w/ the choice after Weis' first press conference, I never thought he'd be as good or better than Meyer even up to the beginning of the regular season.

I still don't think we've seen enough out of either of them at this level to say who will be regarded in history as the better coach, but in one season Weis has show he'll at least hold his own in the discussion. And, I feel at least, he's shown more character in that brief period of time than Meyer has. And no, not because Meyer signed w/ Florida. I can respect that decision, he's a coach and he wanted to win, and a year ago it certainly seemed winning would come a lot faster at Florida than at South Bend. I actually wished him well and hoped he succeded. I have since recanted of that position b/c he's seemed to be such an arrogant jerk ever since taking the job.

Anyway, the point is, I'll say it, I was wrong. I thought Meyer was this great savior, and if, in the end, he can't do it w/ Florida's talent I shudder to think what he'd do w/ Notre Dame's. But that's why I'm not the AD of the university and Kevin White is (even though hiring Weis over Meyer was much more a stoke of blind luck than brains).

But after all that, I'm sure Irish will say I'm just a homer who's trying to rationalize after the fact to make myself feel better about Meyer going to Florida over South Bend.

 

[jiggafini19]

The guy wins. Simple as that. I give him credit for his success at Bowling Green, Utah and his first year at Florida wasn't to shabby.

My only problem with him, as I have stated numerous times, is the way the situation was handled. He used ND as leverage knowing all the time where he was going. I could care less if he wanted the Florida job more, but the way he went about it....not cool.

There are plenty of people out there obsessed with Urban's Gators just as much as there are those who are obsessed with Ty's Huskies. CW probably needs to win an NC before both in a lot of people's eyes.

 

[Domer95]

If Weis said the same thing, many of you would be praising him for being a no nonsense kinda guy who lets the players know how he really feels and doesn't hold their hands.
Meyer thinks his RB's played like garbage and let them know it. Big deal. It will probably work for him, considering his success in the past

Ah, but there's the rub. See, Weis wouldn't (hasn't) called any of his players "trash", nor has he given any indication that he would do so, at least for public consumption.

Please do not sully CDub's reputation, by even putting him in the same class as the Black Pope.

BTW, anyone guess on where Urby will land after this year?? That is his MO, 2yrs and out....Maybe scUM if LLLLLoyd gets pushed aside...

 

[Aerosmith777]

Ah, but there's the rub. See, Weis wouldn't (hasn't) called any of his players "trash", nor has he given any indication that he would do so, at least for public consumption.
Please do not sully CDub's reputation, by even putting him in the same class as the Black Pope.
BTW, anyone guess on where Urby will land after this year?? That is his MO, 2yrs and out....Maybe scUM if LLLLLoyd gets pushed aside...

yeah, but I think the only way he'd leave Florida is for the pros. You really can't move up within college football from a program like Florida's. He's in a BCS conference, in a state where 4-star prospects grow on trees, and at a school where you could get a plant in w/ the academic standards. And he makes pretty good money for a college coach to boot.

 

[jiggafini19]

yeah, but I think the only way he'd leave Florida is for the pros. You really can't move up within college football from a program like Florida's. He's in a BCS conference, in a state where 4-star prospects grow on trees, and at a school where you could get a plant in w/ the academic standards. And he makes pretty good money for a college coach to boot.

If he runs the spread option in the NFL, he'll be sued by the families of the players he ends up getting killed.

The guy will succeed down there. I have no doubt. But that SEC is hell on wheels. You don't get a Saturday off.

If you read the book "Recruiting Confidential" and see the comments he was making about Notre Dame while he was at Bowling Green, you'll come to conclude he never had any intention of coaching at Notre Dame.

 

[Aerosmith777]

you're probly right that it'd get his QB killed, but if Steve Spurrier could find a job in the pros to run the fun 'n gun, I gotta believe there's another Dan Snyder out there dumb enough to hire Meyer simply b/c he's a big name college coach. Not that I think it's gonna happen, but I just wouldn't be surprised if it did.

Anyway, my only point was he wouldn't leave Florida unless it were for an NFL job. I can't think of one college job where he'd have it as easy as Florida (good weather, tons of in-state prospects, and low academic standards) that will be opening up anytime soon. Michigan's weather sucks, and while the state of Michigan does produce some good prospects every year, its not the same as the likes of Florida, Texas, or California. FSU I'm sure will want to keep it in the family when Bowden finally retires (not to mention I could never envisioin FSU hiring an offensive minded head coach, from Florida no less). Miami's having issues b/c their new president actually thinks incoming football players should be able to read and write if they wanna go to college. And USC and Texas' jobs are obviously not opening up anytime soon.

 

[Vince Young]

I thought Urban Legend was a derog term?

The first couple times I heard it, it was meant in a good way. Since then, it's taken on a more mocking tone, along with Urban Myth.

Probably not very clear of me though, but judging from the replies, I think people understood my point.

 

[jiggafini19]

Aerosmith, as is usually the case we are on the same wavelength.

Florida is certainly a job where the carpetbaggers can finally settle in. I think the Pope would bolt for the NFL once he gets a Sears Trophy, though. Kind of like a Nick Saban.

Getting an ass kicking from Alabama and losing to The Visor had to sting a little bit. And don't forget his Dick Vermeil impression after the Gators lost to LSU. There is work to be done. But right now, Gainesville is in the best overall shape of the FLA Big 3.

I could see someone tossing some money Urban's way once he won an NC, but the ratio of college coaches going to the NFL and having success isn't good. And Urban is no Nick Saban.

 

[Guest]

I can't think of a coach that had a bigger impact on his offense in one year than Weis has had, it went from being ranked 81st to being a top 10 offense in one year.

That being said I wanted Meyer at first, but Weis was obvisouly the better choice, Urbie's offense was below average. He was lucky to beat Vandy, Georgia and Iowa. If Georgia had Shockley they would've won. He also lost to much less talented teams, like Bama and South Carolina.

Urban might win a NC someday, but not because he's a good coach, but because he is bringing in amazing talent much like Mack Brown last year. Urban basically makes Zook look like a bad recruiter.

The next few years will be real tough for Urban though, Leak is not the right QB for his system, and the only other QB on the roster is Tebow. Losing Portis was a real blow for Meyer.Tebow may be the real deal, but I doubt he'll be able to step in right away and produce, not against the SEC defenses. So your looking at another two or three subpar years at Florida, and by that time fans will be calling for his head, and recruiting will suffer. That potential meltdown will be a real treat to watch.

 

[jiggafini19]

Having seen Leak look lost at times in that offense, Brady Quinn should give some of his signing bonus to Shelley Meyer and the AD at Florida.

I have a copy of Urban's spread option playbook from when he was with Bowling Green. I look at this thing, then I look at those SEC defenses and have come to one conclusion:

He will need elite recruiting classes year in and year out to get this thing to work. And even that still might not be enough. He will literally need the best skill player talent at QB, running back and wide receiver each year. He got Tebow and Harvin, now can he get Willy Korn, Armando Allen and Deonte Thompson?

 

[TexasDomer]

The first couple times I heard it, it was meant in a good way. Since then, it's taken on a more mocking tone, along with Urban Myth.
Probably not very clear of me though, but judging from the replies, I think people understood my point.

I love it. A legend that isn't grounded in any fact or truth...

 

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Taken from the Spring media day press conference transcript:
Q. What's the quickest way to improve on defense and eliminate big plays?
COACH Charlie Weis: I think the quickest way to do that is to eliminate to minimize mental mistakes. And what that means is when you turn a guy free, wide open free, there's a problem. It's usually not the problem that a guy is that much faster than the guys they are playing against. It usually means that there was a mental mistake for one reason or another; whether they didn't understand, which ultimately falls back to my responsibility because my job is to make sure everyone knows what to do, or they just didn't get it. Regardless, it's still the same end result is the first thing they have to do is make sure they know what they are doing. That's no different on either side of the ball, though. I think that the first thing the players need to do is make sure that they know what they are doing because then when there's a mistake, it's easier to evaluate it when you know they know what they are doing.

Weis certainly could have said that Wooden, Richardson, Duke and Zibby were flat out awful at times last year and blamed them for the performance. But good coaches don't publicly blame their players for failures.

I'd bet that in practice Weis' message is something like this: It's my job to teach you what to do and when to do it. It's your job to learn. If you can't learn, I'll find someone that can.

There is a difference between public ridicule and private motivation.

 

[Aerosmith777]

Aerosmith, as is usually the case we are on the same wavelength.
Florida is certainly a job where the carpetbaggers can finally settle in. I think the Pope would bolt for the NFL once he gets a Sears Trophy, though. Kind of like a Nick Saban.
Getting an ass kicking from Alabama and losing to The Visor had to sting a little bit. And don't forget his Dick Vermeil impression after the Gators lost to LSU. There is work to be done. But right now, Gainesville is in the best overall shape of the FLA Big 3.
I could see someone tossing some money Urban's way once he won an NC, but the ratio of college coaches going to the NFL and having success isn't good. And Urban is no Nick Saban.

Yeah, I think Saban is actually gonna have success as an NFL head coach, but it is usually a dumb idea to hire a college coach to coach in the pros, unless they have extensive work in the pros as an assistant (i.e. Charlie & Ferentz).

 

[Aerosmith777]

Weis certainly could have said that Wooden, Richardson, Duke and Zibby were flat out awful at times last year and blamed them for the performance. But good coaches don't publicly blame their players for failures.

There is a difference between public ridicule and private motivation.

I wish someone would say that to Larry Brown. I can't open the NY Post anymore w/o reading which Knick he bashed that day (not that I really care since I don't like the Knicks, but at some point even when you grow up not liking a team you start to feel bad for them when they're as pathetic as the Knicks have been, and they're being destroyed in the papers by their own coach to boot).