Ty continues his great recruting at UW

[irish4life99]

I hate to keep brining up his name, but the world needs justification as to why ND fired him. This should help (from NDNation)

Washington has all of 17 verbals, 6 of those have not been offered any other scholarships at all. None of them were offered by ND and only seven were offered by a school in the top 25.

Morovick - NO OTHER OFFERS
Murchison - NO OTHER OFFERS
Butler - NO OTHER OFFERS
Elisara - Arizona, Arizona St, Cal, LSU, Nebraska, Oregon, Stanford
Goodwin - Hawaii, Idaho, Northern Arizona, Idaho State
Habben - Arizona St, Iowa St, Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, WSU
Homer - NO OTHER OFFERS
Jefferson - NO OTHER OFFERS
Locker - Cal, Michigan, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, USC, WSU
Mason - Baylor, Missouri, Nebraska, Wyoming
Matthews - Arizona, Fresno St, Oregon, Washington St
Merrill - Oregon St
Myers - Colorado, UCLA, Utah
Reece - Kentucky, Utah
edillo - Weber St
Tolar - Arizona St, Montana St, Nebraska, Oregon, Utah, WSU
Wells - NO OTHER OFFERS

This after a disastrous recruiting class last year.

Beware the dynasty forming on Lake Washington.

Just to note the former UW coach recruited the #21,#23, and the #25 classes respectively. So far under Ty the #38, and this one will land somewhere in the mid 50's when all said and done.

 

[jiggafini19]

Locker is really the only guy worth mentioning.

What is sad is that he out-recruited Wazzou in state. How bad is that?

 

[Domer95]

Locker is really the only guy worth mentioning.
What is sad is that he out-recruited Wazzou in state. How bad is that?

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.....

 

[St.Kittsnd]

At least at Stanford and Notre Dame the nuts this squirrel found were smart. This year the nuts might be bad football players and stupid.

 

[jiggafini19]

UW actually has 20 verbals now. They've loaded up in the trenches.

They're probably #6 in the Pac 10 behind USC, UCLA, the Arizonas and Cal.

 

[domerfor life]

UW actually has 20 verbals now. They've loaded up in the trenches.
They're probably #6 in the Pac 10 behind USC, UCLA, the Arizonas and Cal.

They'll still be dead last in the actual standings.

 

[jiggafini19]

They'll still be dead last in the actual standings.

I can tell now that we're really bored.

Still busting Ty's chops a year later.

Personally, I'd cheer for UW over USC hands down.

(Here comes a typhoon of "31 point blowout" replies....)

 

[irishnd31]

I hate to keep brining up his name, but the world needs justification as to why ND fired him. This should help (from NDNation)
Washington has all of 17 verbals, 6 of those have not been offered any other scholarships at all. None of them were offered by ND and only seven were offered by a school in the top 25.
Morovick - NO OTHER OFFERS
Murchison - NO OTHER OFFERS
Butler - NO OTHER OFFERS
Elisara - Arizona, Arizona St, Cal, LSU, Nebraska, Oregon, Stanford
Goodwin - Hawaii, Idaho, Northern Arizona, Idaho State
Habben - Arizona St, Iowa St, Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, WSU
Homer - NO OTHER OFFERS
Jefferson - NO OTHER OFFERS
Locker - Cal, Michigan, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, USC, WSU
Mason - Baylor, Missouri, Nebraska, Wyoming
Matthews - Arizona, Fresno St, Oregon, Washington St
Merrill - Oregon St
Myers - Colorado, UCLA, Utah
Reece - Kentucky, Utah
edillo - Weber St
Tolar - Arizona St, Montana St, Nebraska, Oregon, Utah, WSU
Wells - NO OTHER OFFERS
This after a disastrous recruiting class last year.
Beware the dynasty forming on Lake Washington.
Just to note the former UW coach recruited the #21,#23, and the #25 classes respectively. So far under Ty the #38, and this one will land somewhere in the mid 50's when all said and done.

It's a Who's Who of Nobody's. WTG Ty.

 

[scooper]

It's a Who's Who of Nobody's. WTG Ty.

Wouldn't that make it a "who's he?"

 

[irishnd31]

I can tell now that we're really bored.
Still busting Ty's chops a year later.
Personally, I'd cheer for UW over USC hands down.
(Here comes a typhoon of "31 point blowout" replies....)

Oh hell yeah. I would love to see UW beat SC. But I would love to retire from work too. What do these have in common?

Answer: The way things are right now, BOTH OF THEM AINT GONNA HAPPEN FOR A LONG TIME!!!!

 

[irishnd31]

Wouldn't that make it a "who's he?"

LMAO!!! May as well be. Where did he recruit these guys, the caddy shack at Pebble Beach?

 

[jiggafini19]

Oh hell yeah. I would love to see UW beat SC. But I would love to retire from work too. What do these have in common?
Answer: The way things are right now, BOTH OF THEM AINT GONNA HAPPEN FOR A LONG TIME!!!!

Is UW on the ND schedule next year?

I know SC is.

 

[irishnd31]

Is UW on the ND schedule next year?
I know SC is.

Don't think so Jiggs. Why do you ask?

 

[Domer95]

UW actually has 20 verbals now. They've loaded up in the trenches.
They're probably #6 in the Pac 10 behind USC, UCLA, the Arizonas and Cal.

AH...ERR....our dearst duck friends are no where to be found??????

 

[irish4life99]

UW actually has 20 verbals now. They've loaded up in the trenches.
They're probably #6 in the Pac 10 behind USC, UCLA, the Arizonas and Cal.

That's not saying much considering the PAC 10, with the execption of USC.

 

[jiggafini19]

Don't think so Jiggs. Why do you ask?

I know that SC, UCLA and Stanford are. I'm not sure, then, why we're still talking about TW and what he's doing in UW. I don't understand why there are pockets of ND fans who still want to talk about him the way Florida fans are still obsessed with Zook and Illinois. At least ND had UW on their schedule. UF and U of I aren't in the same conference and don't play each other, so who cares? If UW is off the schedule now, who cares about them? Open forum, you can discuss what you want, but TW? I thought we were past him already.

Now the status of ND's current depth chart and how it relates to TW and his staff, that's a different subject. Yeah, he really left the cupboard without a lot of groceries. But it's over. Tomorrow is Signing Day 2006 and we're still talking about Ty? Hey, to each his own, but who f*cking cares about him. Who cares about UW's 2006 class? And who cares if he had still been coach what ND might have done. We'll never know and be thankful for it.

His class is rated better than four other Pac 10 teams. If this class is such a joke, how bad are those guys? And he could end up getting a few more guys before tomorrow. Hey, he's learned how to sign classes with 20+ recruits. Good for him. No use obsessing over why he couldn't do it here.

It was three years of ND Football we'll never get back and probably still have to pay for roster-wise for a few more years. But it's over.

 

[DeeRock]

truth be told- until Weis wins the title- you will always be comparing him to Ty- Try comparing him to coaches at more known programs, ie. FSU, MIAMI, TEXAS, USC, etc.Match him up with some BIG DOGS, then lets see where your HERO stands!

 

[irishnd31]

IMO, I see no difference between talking about TW and/ or Urban Meyer (or the Pope as so many call him on this board), who was said to be one of the front runners for the ND job before he announced his intentions of going to FU. TW has not had the "success" that Urby had this past year, but I feel that we should talk about the "good, bad, and the ugly" on this board. Yeah the Pope had a decent year last year and he has one heck of a recruiting class this year. TW struggled through a horrible season and has what many believe to be a sub-par recruiting class (to say the least) this year.
That's why I like Irishenvy so much is because it is an open forum and if I see something that bothers me or even peeks my interest a little, I will comment on it.

Is the TW thing drawn out and repititious? Hell yes it is.
Is TW a former coach that (whether you love him or hate him) is still a topic of discussion for ND fans. Hell yes. His failures make us love C-Dub even more and appreciate what we have now.

Apologies if the TW topic upsets you, but if people want to crack on TW, or the Pope, or any other individual associated with NCAA football, then let it go.

 

[jiggafini19]

truth be told- until Weis wins the title- you will always be comparing him to Ty- Try comparing him to coaches at more known programs, ie. FSU, MIAMI, TEXAS, USC, etc.Match him up with some BIG DOGS, then lets see where your HERO stands!

Honesty really hurts sometimes.

Urban Meyer had a stocked team when he got to Gainesville and still lost three games. He's trying to run the spread option with talent that isn't suited for that offense. He won with great defense, should have lost to Vanderbilt and the refs blew the onside kick call against Iowa, where if they had gotten the ball back anything could have happened.

Good coach or not, Willingham went to a mess up at UW. I don't even think HE can get things much worse than they already are there.

Florida fans are obsessed with seeing Zook fail anywhere else he goes. His class at Illinois tomorrow will be one of the better ones the Illini have had in years. But chesty Gator fans will point to their class being first overall, Florida Football is better than Illinois Football and blah blah blah. Why do they care? SEC. Big Ten. The two teams don't play. They should worry that Spurrier beat their ass this year, not that Zook got killed by Penn State. I hate to say it, but a lot of this talk resembles what the Gator fans are doing.

Why is it so important that UW suck? What if UW fires Ty in a few years and Weis hasn't won an NC at Notre Dame yet? Will this quench our thirst as faithful followers of Notre Dame Football? Tyrone Willingham is a Notre Dame topic because haters like Jason Whitlock, John Saunders and bitter fickle Notre Dame fans want him to be. And to me, the fickle and the haters are first cousins.

Would you rather have had a Jackie Sherrill come in here and cheat? How about Dennis Erickson, who would march every scumbag known to man into his recruiting classes? What about Mike Price? Be thankful things turned out they way they did. TW was a bad football coach, not a bad person. Brady Quinn running Urban's spread offense would have been a nightmare. He wouldn't have gotten any more wins than if Ty had come back running that crap with this personnel.

If beating the Tyrone horse cures demons for some people. knock your socks off. What it won't do is land Notre Dame a defensive tackle by tomorrow, give them back hundreds and hundreds of yards allowed to Ohio State or make a home victory against Michigan State or bowl win appear.

I'd rather worry about relevant things that pertain to Notre Dame now and in the future. Urban Meyer is not relevant. Tyrone Willingham is not relevant. They are a part of ND's past, not ND's future.

 

[bmf175]

Well said Jigga... But to be fair if you don't want to worry about Ty than that is your choice, if others want to talk about Ty...then that is their choice, in an open forum they should be allowed to do so.

And well said irishnd31... This is an open forum if anybody wants to talk about anything concerning ND history or NCAA football, why should they be unable to?

This argument always comes up when a Ty thread is created. WHY???? If you dont want to read about Ty don't open the thread to see what it says about him. And at the same time dont think your opinion should be forced on others, if they want to talk about Ty, Davie, Oleary why shouldn't they be able to? IT IS AN OPEN FORUM. I think we are just very bored and feeling alittle anguish of how the season ended....I know I am.

 

[jiggafini19]

But aren't you excited about what is happening NOW?!?! That's my only issue. Charlie Weis is so ahead of the curve that one year from right now, the ND roster will be back up to speed. And how great will it be to have such wonderful, young talent on the field in a few more years?

That's the only thing I don't understand. When you break up with a girl, do you care who she's dating after you and whether or not she fails in life? It is negative energy and you'll drive yourself crazy thinking about it. Our mindset sucks because we haven't seen Notre Dame endure sustained success on a consistent basis. And Dee Rock is right. Until Weis wins an NC, there will always be talk about Davie and TW. And even if and when that happens, people will probably still talk about it.

Having once been a part of this game, you take on the mentality of moving forward. It is the only way you survive. After that SC game this year, I was scared to death that those guys would be crushed and play flat. But BOOM, they come right out of the gate and win the rest of the schedule to the BCS.

And that is what this program must do. And that is what we must do as followers of Notre Dame. What's done is done. The future is bright.

 

[scooper]

jigg, I don't care one way or another what happens in Seattle, but I can understand the obsession a bit. It comes down to this. ND took a beating after his firing. (well boyout, actually, but why report facts?) The beating came from much of the media and other fans. Some of it still continues today, though the success of Weis has quited the hating. I think many ND fans want to see Ty fail not out of vindictivness, but to reaffirm our feelings that the molder of men was fired simply because he's a bad coach. If he fails over a few years at UW, we can point to it and say, "see? We were right all along, now shut up."

To me it really doesn't matter as long as the current staff continues to succeed and do it the Notre Dame way. I'm getting numb to the hating, but I can certainly understand why some feel the way they do.

 

[bmf175]

Very good point and i agree with you. But World history, U.S. History, ND history is always going to be a thing of interest. Looking to the past, everyday everybody reflects on what happened the day before or the year before, there is nothing wrong with that.

Im not saying anybody is wrong. Im just saying if people want to talk about it why shouldnt they be able to? Somebody forcing their opinions on others (not pointing fingers) just does not need to happen.

I would just like to see Ty Willingham threads, Davie threads go on without somebody taking time out of their life to talk about something that they say does not mean anything to them. If they really dont care about the subject than why spend the time to criticize it or fill the thread with 5 replies. Just let the people that do care about the topic discuss it among themselves.

 

[irishnd31]

jigg, I don't care one way or another what happens in Seattle, but I can understand the obsession a bit. It comes down to this. ND took a beating after his firing. (well boyout, actually, but why report facts?) The beating came from much of the media and other fans. Some of it still continues today, though the success of Weis has quited the hating. I think many ND fans want to see Ty fail not out of vindictivness, but to reaffirm our feelings that the molder of men was fired simply because he's a bad coach. If he fails over a few years at UW, we can point to it and say, "see? We were right all along, now shut up."
To me it really doesn't matter as long as the current staff continues to succeed and do it the Notre Dame way. I'm getting numb to the hating, but I can certainly understand why some feel the way they do.

great post scoop.

I don't give a frog's fat a$$ about Ty either, but ND has endured some pretty tough years over the past decade and all I have heard from others (other fans, the media, etc...)is that ND is irrelevant, racist, no longer a national poerhouse, etc.... ND has been through the tough times and has had a lot of $hit thrown their way (losing bowl games, O'Leary story, Ty, Davie, 5-6 seasons, and the "once great ND dynasty" is no longer relevant.) People have tried to tear down the Irish just because they hate them or because they were not as good as they once were.

Enter Charlie Weis.

C-Dub gave us a reason to take pride in being an Irish Fan again. C-Dub has given me a reason to hold my head high as a fan. C-Dub has awaken a once sleeping giant. C-Dub has earned the respect of a college football nation (as a person and as a coach). C-Dub has quieted the critics and those who said that ND would start 0-6.

It has been so long that ND has been a contender that I think that by making comments about TW or tearing on another team, it is a way for ND fans to vent (as if someone was giving one huge sigh of relief that those years are behind us and the firing of TW and the eventual hiring of CW was a prayer that's been long over due to be answered).

I don't hate TW, but when I make comments about him, it is only to point out how much better life is with C-Dub here than it was with TW.

 

[jiggafini19]

The proof is in the pudding. Shattered offensive records and a BCS birth are enough for me. Notre Dame doesn't need to justify itself to anyone. Period.

You know what I haven't had in a while? Big League Chew.

 

[Gizmo]

Ty is a part of ND's past, just as much as the championships and great coaches and Heismans are, but unlike other coaches who failed to succeed at ND the manner in which Ty left will unfortunately always make him relevant.

Those of us who are familiar with the program and with the university fully understand why he was terminated, but there are those who will always try to paint ND in a negative light. And as much as we all love to focus on the positives that Charlie brings to the table, it is somewhat satisfying to see the truths behind Ty's firing come to light in Seattle.

For the record, I was a Ty fan (the man, not the coach) up until his interview with Saunders. But when Ty let Saunders play the race card and then agreed with him is when I lost all respect for the man. He was the one who lacked coaching talent, hired inferior subordinates, and failed to work hard enough on the recruiting trail. And yet despite all this and despite the fact that we continue to pay him, he throws ND under the bus. I do not expect him to heap praise on ND, but that Saunders interview disgusted me.

I'm happy we have a coach who is an offensive mastermind and who is relentless on the recruiting trail. I'm happy our coach is actually able to provide concrete examples of his integrity that we never saw in his predecessor (see Pass Right, visit to USC locker room, reverence for Navy, improved team GPA). But this talk will never go away, and as such, it's nice to have some ammo against the naysayers.

And if you think this issue will die, just wait until Charlie wins his first NC. There will be plenty of headlines along the lines of "ND successfully sells its soul for a NC" and "Was it worth it?" And any discussion of Charlie's legacy at ND will always be prefaced with a discussion about Ty. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

 

[jiggafini19]

Hey Gizmo:

I've got an army to raise and I must get to Nicaragua. I require a window seat and an in-flight Happy Meal AND NO PICKLES. OH, GOD HELP YOU IF I FIND PICKLES!!!

 

[scooper]

The Saunders interview hit me as well. I thought his silence regarding the issue was the best route until that day. From then on, screw him. I'm not going to worry about him or seek out bad news about him. I'm not going to rub it in if he loses. (which he will- a lot) But I won't shed any tears for him either.

 

[Gizmo]

Well played, Jigga. Although my recent favorite would have to be, "Oh no, did that hit crazy stairs?" And Stewie's brutal beatdown of Brian on Sunday was pretty damn good too.

 

[jiggafini19]

Well played, Jigga. Although my recent favorite would have to be, "Oh no, did that hit crazy stairs?" And Stewie's brutal beatdown of Brian on Sunday was pretty damn good too.

Yes, Gizmo, I want ice cream. BUT NO SPRINKLES!!! For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you....

Best show ever.