What season would we've had had...

[irish4life99]

If Ty was playing out his contract? Some people (I wont mention names mmay espn) say that with the schedule ending not being as strong as expected that we would have still went 9-2 and in a BCS. My opinion is that we would have went 6-5 and lost to BC in the MC computer bowl in Iowa. Here's how I see it.

1. Pitt would have been a loss. First Ty couldn't coach an opening game i.e. BYU loss and had to go to OT to beat Washington at home.

2. Michigan was a loss because their was no way that Ty's offense would have scored a TD.

3. Stanford was a loss because we know how Ty's teams did when they got pushed, they fell down and stayed there.

Also, USC was another blowout. But only by 30 this time. Also another inspiring speech by Ty at the end of the year reiterating that a 6-5 season is a winning season and something to be proud of. However, this is just my opinion, what's yours?

 

[jiggafini19]

We'll never know and it is better off being that way.

 

[Gizmo]

I'd be interested to know where we'd be if O'Leary's resume had checked out. Unlike Ty, before becoming a head coach O'Leary spent some time as a defensive coordinator and his teams did not have the up and down years that Ty's teams had at Stanford. He also puts in the time on the recruiting trail, unlike a certain golfer we know. I think O'Leary would have won a few more games in 2003 & 2004 and he'd still be our head coach.

All that being said, things work out for a reason and I'm very glad we got Charlie. If the resume fiasco and those two bad years with Ty (three if you count the way 2002 ended) and all that bad press were what it took to get Charlie, then I think Charlie was a bargain.

 

[Vince Young]

I'd be interested to know where we'd be if O'Leary's resume had checked out... I think O'Leary would have won a few more games in 2003 & 2004 and he'd still be our head coach.

I've commented on this before, and it's a sobering thought. I think O'Leary would've been a step-up from Bob Davie and would've been more consistent, but it would've been a LLLloyd Carr-sort of consistent, 2-to-4 losses each year, always a winning season and a decent bowl, but never seriously contending for a national title. The worst part is that if they were willing to give Bob Davie 5 years, they most certainly would have given George O'Leary more than the 3 Ty got... which means he'd still be the coach right now, since the CW would be "At least he's better than Bob Davie."

At least with Ty, we all had fun watching those crazy wins in 2002, followed by a relatively quick exit. (Admit it, those first 8 games of '02 were fun to watch. It's okay to admit it. Confession is good for the soul.) With O'Leary, we'd still be willing to give him "one more year" to fully restore Notre Dame to its past glory.

 

[irish4life99]

I think Oleary would have done a good job. You seen what he's done at UCF in a short time. I think overall things probably worked out for the best. I sure the Huskies will be screaming in a couple more years. I just saw that the last 4 prospects for UW went some where else and Ty ended up around #40 on rivals, which is about par for the course (oops pardon the pun). Even the last UW coach did better recruting than Ty. I heard that after the last game at UW the entire coaching staff took a two week break. I would think that would be your most critical time for recruting even if your golf handicap is slipping.

 

[Aerosmith777]

(Admit it, those first 8 games of '02 were fun to watch. It's okay to admit it. Confession is good for the soul.)

Hey, I have no problem admiting it, Kent Baer did a great job coaching the Irish to an 8-game winning streak that year. I thought the job Kent Baer did with the defense was tremendous that year. The problem was that whole other side of the ball that the supposed "mastermind" head coach was in charge of...

 

[irishnd31]

Hey, I have no problem admiting it, Kent Baer did a great job coaching the Irish to an 8-game winning streak that year. I thought the job Kent Baer did with the defense was tremendous that year. The problem was that whole other side of the ball that the supposed "mastermind" head coach was in charge of...

I enjoyed those wins just because of the way that we won them. Heck, we didn't score an offensive touchdown until the 3rd freakin game of the year. RIDICULOUS!!!! Alot of bounces went our way....UNTIL BC. That game still pisses me off.

 

[weisfaninmass]

If Ty was playing out his contract? Some people (I wont mention names mmay espn) say that with the schedule ending not being as strong as expected that we would have still went 9-2 and in a BCS. My opinion is that we would have went 6-5 and lost to BC in the MC computer bowl in Iowa. Here's how I see it.
1. Pitt would have been a loss. First Ty couldn't coach an opening game i.e. BYU loss and had to go to OT to beat Washington at home.
2. Michigan was a loss because their was no way that Ty's offense would have scored a TD.
3. Stanford was a loss because we know how Ty's teams did when they got pushed, they fell down and stayed there.
Also, USC was another blowout. But only by 30 this time. Also another inspiring speech by Ty at the end of the year reiterating that a 6-5 season is a winning season and something to be proud of. However, this is just my opinion, what's yours?

Washington State Cougars (not UW)

 

[weisfaninmass]

I think Oleary would have done a good job. You seen what he's done at UCF in a short time. I think overall things probably worked out for the best. QUOTE]

O'Leary's team alway play hard, nasty and physical. The team would not have been 6-5 and 5-6. I would see his teams being Top5 - Top 20 -- 10-1 to 7-4. He has too much passion for ND and the game and talent to not succeed. Look at what he did at GA Tech. He would have done more at ND.

I think we are in a better position as C-Dub can attain elite status. 12-0 to 10-2. Unless you listen to Victors Valient garbage.

 

[DeeRock]

dude give it a rest already- what would you have done coaching the team, how many games would you have won???- no one knows what would have happened...let it go!

 

[jiggafini19]

1. Pitt would have been a loss. First Ty couldn't coach an opening game i.e. BYU loss and had to go to OT to beat Washington at home.
2. Michigan was a loss because their was no way that Ty's offense would have scored a TD.
3. Stanford was a loss because we know how Ty's teams did when they got pushed, they fell down and stayed there.
Also, USC was another blowout. But only by 30 this time. Also another inspiring speech by Ty at the end of the year reiterating that a 6-5 season is a winning season and something to be proud of. However, this is just my opinion, what's yours?

I'm not sure how you can quantify this with any evidence other than speculation and past history. But even the historical trends go against you here.

The only opener he lost at ND was to BYU. He beat Maryland and Washington State the other two years.

Tyrone Willingham went 2-1 against scUM and I'm pretty sure Tom Brady had a conversation with Lloyd Carr about what to expect from the ND offense this year. Ty's only trip to the Outhouse was a 38-0 debacle, so there could be a case here. But Corey Mays knocking Michael Hart out of the game was a key factor is this game more than just about anything.

Willingham was 3-0 against Stanford in his three years at ND. This year Stanford was the worst game Weis coached for ND by far. But they got the W.

As for USC, they scored 34 points in 20 minutes of possession this year, so you're probably right in saying that the Trojans would have killed ND in Ty's four year because Weis outcoached Carroll in that game.

I'm trying not to imagine what another year with Willingham would have been like. I'm not one to be a glutton for punishment.

 

[jiggafini19]

no one knows what would have happened...let it go!

Bingo.

 

[irish4life99]

dude give it a rest already- what would you have done coaching the team, how many games would you have won???- no one knows what would have happened...let it go!

Really? Now had I coached the team we would have went 1-10, with our only win being against TY! The rest of the time I would be drinking Guiness and hanging witht he cheerleaders. If you don't like this thread it's easy, don't read it.