The Mega Mitch Mustain Rumor Thread (Merged)

The Mega Mitch Mustain Rumor Thread (Merged)

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jiggafini19 said:
If Mustain wants to play immediately, his best chance would be at Alabama.
With Croyle leaving, there is no competition for that starting spot right now. I have to believe Mustain would win the starting job just on raw talent alone. If they spoon feed him the offense with a running game and strong defense, he should be able to grasp things by the end of the year.
Three QBs and no defensive tackles = 6 WR at Florida. When Quinn graduates, there will be plenty of candidates for the spot. When Laws and Landri graduate, who will provide DT depth?
Even without Mustain therewill be 5 QB's at ND next year. Obviously, not all will play. I can see Frazer and Jones waiting for a year to get a shot or maybe even two. But I don't think they will want to sit on the bench hoping to play as seniors. Enter Mustain and it complicates the situation even more.

It seems that some of these posts have already concluded that Clausen will be ND. If I were him, would I want to come into a system where there were THREE first rate QB's taken the year before? Everyone seems to think if Mustain comes to ND he would be better than Jones or Frazer. I also believe that but what do Jones and Frazer think? They can draw the same conclusions we can! Are they willing to come with that type of competition when they could be virtually assured of a starting job with another Division 1 school? While the QB job at ND under Weis may be a coveted one, if the position becomes overloaded I think you will find it harder to attract the to talent next year, or keep the talent we have from have from transfering.
 

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bigdon said:
It seems that some of these posts have already concluded that Clausen will be ND. If I were him, would I want to come into a system where there were THREE first rate QB's taken the year before? Everyone seems to think if Mustain comes to ND he would be better than Jones or Frazer. I also believe that but what do Jones and Frazer think? They can draw the same conclusions we can! Are they willing to come with that type of competition when they could be virtually assured of a starting job with another Division 1 school? While the QB job at ND under Weis may be a coveted one, if the position becomes overloaded I think you will find it harder to attract the to talent next year, or keep the talent we have from have from transfering.

Most top programs with a decent offense bring in talented QB's every year. There is no guarantee for Claussen at ND, USC or anywhere else with good QB depth. So if he's afraid of competition, he may as well pick his favorite WAC school and go with it.

On Mustain v. Jones and Frazer-how do we know he's more talented? He may be, but I didn't see much difference between Frazer and Mustain on Saturday. If anything, I think Frazer has a stronger arm.
 

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Mustain was on an extremely talented team. Most of the top tier recruits in that state were all playing with him.

Frazer had a down year after losing seniors from his junior year and played on an inexperienced team.

Jones also had D-I talent around him and has a rotator cuff issue that could have his future in doubt.

If Clausen is as good as they say he is, I want him at ND. But I'm not sold that he's ND right now. How can you count SC out? Look at the talent they have there waiting for him.

Clausen's two weak points from what I've seen are 1. Slight Lack of height and 2. Growing ego. Other than that, everything football about him is as good as we've seen in years.

If McCoy and/or Young skip on ND, a third QB does no good for the defensive tackle and O line spots. Those are the biggest needs right now.
 
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Most top programs with a decent offense bring in talented QB's every year. There is no guarantee for Claussen at ND, USC or anywhere else with good QB depth. So if he's afraid of competition, he may as well pick his favorite WAC school and go with it.
On Mustain v. Jones and Frazer-how do we know he's more talented? He may be, but I didn't see much difference between Frazer and Mustain on Saturday. If anything, I think Frazer has a stronger arm.
Every rating service I have read has Mustain ahead of Frazer and Jones. If you want to draw a different conclusion on the basis of the Army game go ahead but I think you'll be alone in that conclusion.

Rivals has Jones rated the 4th best at his position and Frazer isn't in the top 100 players.
 

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bigdon said:
Every rating service I have read has Mustain ahead of Frazer and Jones. If you want to draw a different conclusion on the basis of the Army game go ahead but I think you'll be alone in that conclusion.
Rivals has Jones rated the 4th best at his position and Frazer isn't in the top 100 players.

I'm not alone in that conclusion. There is a guy in South Bend and a guy who is now back in Knoxville who agreed. Both with a better track record with QB's than any internet ratings service. The quote about Frazer being Weis and Cutcliffe's #1 QB came from Cutcliffe himself after he resigned. It's legit. Both thought more highly of Frazer than Mustain.

Besides, my conclusion was who looked better in that game. Based on the game alone, can you honestly say that Mustain looked better?
 
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I'm not alone in that conclusion. There is a guy in South Bend and a guy who is now back in Knoxville who agreed. Both with a better track record with QB's than any internet ratings service. The quote about Frazer being Weis and Cutcliffe's #1 QB came from Cutcliffe himself after he resigned. It's legit. Both thought more highly of Frazer than Mustain.
Besides, my conclusion was who looked better in that game. Based on the game alone, can you honestly say that Mustain looked better?

We are in an argument that cannot be resolved because there are no hard facts. This will be my last post on this thread.

Neither Weis nor Cutcliffe said that Frazer was the BEST QB in the country . They said he was their NO 1 choice. I believe that is correct because both employ a pro-style, drop back QB system and Frazer might best in that system.

Other than the Army game I have not seen either of these play football. I have to draw conclusions from reading articles and listening to interviews. Mustain is rated the NO1 or perhaps the NO 2 QB by every account I have read or listened to.



If we are to make a judgement based on One game ( Army) than I suggest that Eli Manning should be released immediately for the NYG. His play in that game was a disaster. He will be a top tier NFL QB. Whether Mustain, Tebow, Snead, Frazer or anyone else looked good or bad is no reason to draw any conclusions. On game does not make any football player.

This also brings up the age-old argument about whether the QB is really THAT good or he just playing with a great team? Is Quinn really that good or did Sam and Stovall make him look better than he really is? Take your pick!! Every thing I have read about Mustain raves about his decision making ability, finesse, and ability to throw accurately both short and long.
 

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Well, Mustain also played on a team loaded with D1 talent, so if you want to bring that into the argument, it works against you.

I never said one game determined who was better. I merely stated that in that one game, Neither really stood out. In fact, I think Frazer looked better, but only slightly as no QB really got any rhythm going.
 

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mustain, jones and frazer are all highly talented quarterbacks. coaching and player development will become the most critical factor in determining the caliber of each as they make the transition from high school to college and the pro's.
 
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mustain, jones and frazer are all highly talented quarterbacks. coaching and player development will become the most critical factor in determining the caliber of each as they make the transition from high school to college and the pro's.

Couldn't agree more.
 

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No Notre Dame for Mustain
by Mike Farrell of Rivals.com Football Recruiting
While Springdale, Ark. quarterback Mitch Mustain has decided to keep his recruiting plans a bit quiet, rumors have been flying everywhere linking the nation's No. 2 signal caller to Notre Dame. Now it seems there is good news for fans of Arkansas, Tennessee and Alabama as Notre Dame is not a player in the Mustain sweepstakes. It could also be good news for Irish fans.
 

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Thank god that Mustain is not coming to ND, we didn't need him. Hopefully we go out and get Young and a DT or two DT's.
 

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Here is someone from Sporting News chiming in.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=53879

Weis keeps his word in the recruiting process
January 16, 2006
The recruiting game has become more and more about who you can trust and who you can't. Can you trust 17-year-old kids who give you a verbal commitment six months before Signing Day? Will you stop recruiting a certain position because a hotshot stud has told you for weeks that he's heading your way? On the flip side, can recruits trust coaches who tell them they won't recruit any other players at their position? Is it safe for either side to stop entertaining interest from other parties? In the case of Springdale, Ark. quarterback Mitch Mustain, trust hasn't been much more than a word thrown about by both player and coaches.

Mustain, the nation's No. 2 quarterback and arguably the most heavily recruited player ever out of his home state, wanted to get the recruiting process over with before his season started. The 6-3, 208-pounder wanted to focus on his senior year and a state title. So when push came to shove in August as the season loomed, Mustain told Arkansas head coach Houston Nutt he was coming to Fayetteville, seemingly to save Nutt's job and the program. A bond of trust had been formed.

It would soon be broken.

After a 4-7 season, the second straight losing campaign under Nutt, the head coach decided some changes needed to be made. Nutt fired quarterbacks coach Roy Wittke, the man responsible for developing Matt Jones into an SEC standout and the QB guru Mustain was looking forward to working under -- the quarterback guru who Mustain was told he'd be working with at Arkansas. The Mustain family heard about the firing from newspaper reporters well before it was announced and well before Nutt told his future star. At least that's how the story goes.

So Mustain decided to abandon his word -- as he felt Nutt had -- and de-commit from Arkansas and open his recruitment back up in early December. A few weeks later, Mustain's head coach at Springdale, Gus Malzahn, was hired as the new offensive coordinator for Arkansas. Still, Mustain didn't budge. By this time he had his eyes and heart set on another coach and program -- the one Charlie Weis runs in that little town of South Bend, Ind. Now it was time to test Weis' level of trust.

Weis had taken verbal commitments from two top quarterbacks during the summer, Pennsylvania slinger Zach Frazer and Chicago star Demetrius Jones. He told both that two was his maximum at quarterback and he wouldn't take a third. Weis was also assuring super recruit Jimmy Clausen, the top quarterback in the 2007 class and one of the most hyped signal-callers in years, that Frazer and Jones would be his competition at Notre Dame should he decide to come. At the time of all these promises, Weis had no idea the Springdale soap opera would unfold.

To his credit, Weis never offered Mustain again, standing by his word not only to his two quarterback commitments but also to Clausen, who just so happened to be on campus Saturday for a Notre Dame junior day. But you know it had to be tempting. Great quarterbacks to Weis are like dates with Pamela Anderson, they don't come along often at all, but if you get one, tremendous things could happen. Passing up on Mustain had to go against every fiber of his offensive coordinator being, but it was the right thing to do and Weis knows it.

In this little game of recruiting where trust is such a big deal and is betrayed as often as Terrell Owens says something stupid, chalk one up on the good side for Weis. And maybe, just maybe, Mustain will sign with Arkansas and keep his commitment as well.
 

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Farrell writes better than those Arkansas articles in this thread but the mantra is still the same, ND do the right thing - stay away; Mitch do the right thing - come home.

Mustain is supposed to keep his commitment to Arkansas even though Nutt didn't keep his. The hometown articles neglect that aspect as well. Witte's firing gets mentioned at the top of these articles but when they get to the bottom line it's the kid that's the weasel for being concerned about his development.

Strange but I don't recall Farrell writing articles like this about Boston College.
 

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MM should forget all of the pressure and pledge to Mike Shula. His chances of success at Alabama are twice that of Arkansas. The people in his home state don't have to go there for four years, he does.

Bama's pro style offense will serve him very well. His HS coach is supposed to put in a gimmick "fun and gun" type of offense that won't help his chances of being a professional.

Tennessee probably has a better chance, but I hope he considers Bama.
 

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BigIrish said:
mustain, jones and frazer are all highly talented quarterbacks. coaching and player development will become the most critical factor in determining the caliber of each as they make the transition from high school to college and the pro's.


And we all know who sees the talent and who will develop that talent.

God, Country Notre Dame and..........Charlie Weis!!!!!!
 
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I hope Mitch Mustain ends up at Tennesse, so maybe that will put Jimmy Clausen out from Tennesse.
 
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I hope Mitch Mustain ends up at Tennesse, so maybe that will put Jimmy Clausen out from Tennesse.

Agree -- even though Jimmy says he doesn't care who is in front of him -- ND with C-Dub is hard to beat -- only Petey has a story of equal or better value to sell Jimmy on - not Philip Fulmer.
 

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Mustain commits — again — to Arkansas SPRINGDALE, Ark. (AP) — Mitch Mustain, considered by many the top high school quarterback in the nation, committed to play college football at Arkansas on Monday.

Mustain told Gus Malzahn, his former Springdale High School coach and current Arkansas offensive coordinator, about his decision Monday afternoon and spoke to Arkansas coach Houston Nutt on Monday evening.
The player had committed to Arkansas on Aug. 15, but later withdrew that commitment in a meeting with Nutt after the Razorbacks finished with a 4-7 season. He said Arkansas always was his first choice but he had "some things I wanted cleared up."
Now, Mustain said, he's certain of his decision.
"This time around, I've exhausted every option out there," Mustain told The Morning News in a story posted on the Springdale newspaper's website. "This time, I honestly feel better now than I did in August when I committed."
Mustain is one of the nation's most sought-after preps players and was named the Parade Magazine Player of the Year. He has never lived more than 20 minutes away from the University of Arkansas campus in Fayetteville.
Mustain said his concerns were answered after a meeting Friday at 12:01 a.m. with the entire Arkansas offensive coaching staff. The meeting was held so late to avoid meeting during the NCAA-recruiting dead period.
In another Friday meeting, Mustain talked with Arkansas quarterbacks coach Alex Wood, who told Mustain that the Razorbacks would only use him next season — foregoing his redshirt year — if he plays better than current Arkansas quarterbacks Casey Dick, Alex Mortenson and Robert Johnson during fall practices.
Mustain said Monday that with his decision made he was ready for things to, "get back to normal." He called the decision the most important of his life.
"I'm excited just to get up there and get started," Mustain told The Morning News. "Honestly, I wish I could be up there for the spring I'm so ready to get going."
 

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weisfaninmass said:
Agree -- even though Jimmy says he doesn't care who is in front of him -- ND with C-Dub is hard to beat -- only Petey has a story of equal or better value to sell Jimmy on - not Philip Fulmer.

Tennessee hasn't exactly churned out great QBs. Peyton Manning still hasn't won a big game. Tom Brady has won quite a few. Probably a topic you can discuss on Svoboda's nflnation.net

His two older brothers have played there. Other than that, I can't see any value in going to Knoxville. This is Notre Dame and USC all the way. He mentions South Carolina, but he might as well commit NFL QB suicide by playing for Spurrier.

As for Mustain, in the end it turns out he isn't going anywhere after all....for now.
 
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Guess this is the end of the Mitch Mustain post. Lotta interest.
 

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weisfaninmass said:
Guess this is the end of the Mitch Mustain post. Lotta interest.

weisfaninmass, what was your favorite memory of the Mitch Mustain-ND recruiting bonanza?

For me, two words: CHARACTER ISSUES.
 
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jiggafini19 said:
weisfaninmass, what was your favorite memory of the Mitch Mustain-ND recruiting bonanza?
For me, two words: CHARACTER ISSUES.

Great question:

For me, Two Words : Jimmy Clausen :)
 
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