NFL wants more African American offensive coordinators

[irishog77]

So tell me which question is irrelevant to race?

And I like that you compare me to Allgator and then say "I don't think you're a troll".

My opinion is that when discussing race in America it is almost impossible to get rational people to think rationally. A strange fruit indeed...

Ok, then I think you are, indeed, a troll. Is that better?

Think rationally...or agree with you? I think everyone here has been pretty rational.


And you haven't stated any opinion on the matter. I'm interested to read your thoughts as we've all posted some of our own.

Pat's right. The posters here have been rational...except for guys like myself and Salty that were merely posting jokes. Posters have been posting opinions and discussing the issue...or brought comic relief to the thread. You've done none of these things. And that's fine too. But you're asking questions and stating nothing of your belief or opinion. As I said, it seems as though you're attempting to bait. If you want to get involved in a discussion about this, then, please, jump in-- the water is luke. Multiple people here are having a calm, rational discussion.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Ok, then I think you are, indeed, a troll. Is that better?



Pat's right. The posters here have been rational...except for guys like myself and Salty that were merely posting jokes. Posters have been posting opinions and discussing the issue...or brought comic relief to the thread. You've done none of these things. And that's fine too. But you're asking questions and stating nothing of your belief or opinion. As I said, it seems as though you're attempting to bait. If you want to get involved in a discussion about this, then, please, jump in-- the water is luke. Multiple people here are having a calm, rational discussion.

So your problem with me is that I ask too many questions?? I never said I had the answers, but many here seem willing to claim that they know. Sorry, if I thought a comparison to Allgator was an accusation of trolling, how could I ever think that...

And, in general, IME smart people start behaving strangely in racial matters.

So you want an example from MY life, would you like stories told to me by my relatives of 1970's Los Angeles or a recent example?

 

[irishog77]

So your problem with me is that I ask too many questions?? I never said I had the answers, but many here seem willing to claim that they know. Sorry, if I thought a comparison to Allgator was an accusation of trolling, how could I ever think that...

And, in general, IME smart people start behaving strangely in racial matters.

So you want an example from MY life, would you like stories told to me by my relatives of 1970's Los Angeles or a recent example?

I'm not sure (nor other posters) what you mean here? If you have an opinion on the Rooney Rule, either way, I and others are interested in what you have to say.

 

[Cackalacky]

A historical anecdote:
I was doing research on phosphate mining in the Charleston Area and I came across a 1st person account of life at a strip mine in the late 1890s in Charleston. The African Americans as well as Irish and Italians were the only people who do the backbreaking labor to support what was the largest producer of fertilizer at the time. The reporter from up north reported that the African American would make fun of the Irish and Italians because the ate things not even they themselves would eat (crow mainly). They also disliked them for their general temperaments and avoided being near them as much as possible for fear their tempers would rub off' on them.

 

[johnnykillz]

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This is going downhill.

I don't see us having much to gain from this thread anymore.

I am unsubscribing. Blessings amongst you all.

Forgive my trespass.

 

[scUM Hater]

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This is going downhill.

I don't see us having much to gain from this thread anymore.

I am unsubscribing. Blessings amongst you all.

Forgive my trespass.

I agree 1000%. Just see the Just out of Curiosity (president) thread. This is going nowhere fast.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I'm not sure (nor other posters) what you mean here? If you have an opinion on the Rooney Rule, either way, I and others are interested in what you have to say.

People were giving examples of their own experiences unrelated to football and the discussion was going in a more general race "route" so I thought I would give mine.

On the Rooney rule, I don't know much about it or the details on how and why it was implemented, but from this thread I would say I agree with others that say it was thought to be the solution to getting QUALIFIED coaches a shot at getting hired.

 

[pkt77242]

Just a little food for thought on racism and why the Rooney Rule is important.

AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks - U.S. News

 

[In Lou I Trust]

Just a little food for thought on racism and why the Rooney Rule is important.

AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks - U.S. News

Where were the results of racism towards white people? Why was that left out of the story?

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Where were the results of racism towards white people? Why was that left out of the story?

And where was the polling of NFL owners & GM's? You know, the only people whose opinions matter for purposes of the Rooney Rule?

 

[Bluto]

Where were the results of racism towards white people? Why was that left out of the story?

Call me crazy but whites did not need a "civil rights act" to vote and or be allowed to legally organize. Racism in this country against African Americans was legal and fully formalized. I can not think of any group of Europeans where that was the case. That being the case it's easy to make the argument that racism against African Americans has become "institutionalized" in various segments of society, hence the need for things such as the Rooney Rule.

 

[phork]

Has anyone mentioned to the NFL that we graduate 100% of our African American players?

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I think each year every team should have to let at least one white wide receiver or running back on the practice squad.

And, they're not allowed to call them "Wes Welker types" or "blue collar" either.

 

[irishpat183]

Just a little food for thought on racism and why the Rooney Rule is important.

AP poll: Majority harbor prejudice against blacks - U.S. News

What a stupid study. What did they ask? What did the study comprise of?

I mean, it's as if they made this up.


And I wonder what those same groups think about white people??? But they'll NEVER tell that.

 

[irishpat183]

And why would anyone assume that simply electing a black POTUS would change someone's mind about how they feel about certain races?

 

[irishpat183]

Call me crazy but whites did not need a "civil rights act" to vote and or be allowed to legally organize. Racism in this country against African Americans was legal and fully formalized. I can not think of any group of Europeans where that was the case. That being the case it's easy to make the argument that racism against African Americans has become "institutionalized" in various segments of society, hence the need for things such as the Rooney Rule.

HOw long ago was that?


I think we've come a LONG LONG way since then. You're not gonna change everyone's mind, but to keep reverting back to the 60's and slavery is just a tired, tired argument.

And the majority of those complaining about it, were never victims of it. There are some that had to live during those atrocities..but most are just blowhards trying to get some camera time and stir up the pot.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

What does it say that there hasn't ever been a single woman head coach, coordinator or assistant in the history of the NFL?

The NFL needs to get its gender house in order first.

 

[irishog77]

What does it say that there hasn't ever been a single woman head coach, coordinator or assistant in the history of the NFL?

The NFL needs to get its gender house in order first.

Nor a transgender coach.


I wonder, also, what constitutes a "minority?" I know interviewing Ron Rivera and Norm Chow fulfills the league's obligation. What ethnicities and percentage of that ethnicity of a candidate make a team in compliance?

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I like where this thread is headed.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I wonder if progressives and other heroes of "social justice" will be picketing and calling for these measures when whites are the minority in 2040 lol

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I wonder if progressives and other heroes of "social justice" will be picketing and calling for these measures when whites are the minority in 2040 lol

We can predict 30 years into the future, but no one here is able to understand the past. How convenient...

 

[Redbar]

Unreal.

 

[GowerND11]

Call me crazy but whites did not need a "civil rights act" to vote and or be allowed to legally organize. Racism in this country against African Americans was legal and fully formalized. I can not think of any group of Europeans where that was the case. That being the case it's easy to make the argument that racism against African Americans has become "institutionalized" in various segments of society, hence the need for things such as the Rooney Rule.

European soccer...

Italy presses charges after AC Milan soccer racism - CNN.com

Racism in soccer | Yale Daily News

Danny Rose Racism Scandal: Serbian Soccer Controversy is Just the Latest in Long Line of Ugly Incidents

 

[Bluto]

European soccer...

Italy presses charges after AC Milan soccer racism - CNN.com

Racism in soccer | Yale Daily News

Danny Rose Racism Scandal: Serbian Soccer Controversy is Just the Latest in Long Line of Ugly Incidents

I think you misread or misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that no European group I can think of faced the institutionalized racism in the US that African Americans did. I'm not sure what racist fans in Euro soccer leagues has to do with this?

 

[Bluto]

HOw long ago was that?


I think we've come a LONG LONG way since then. You're not gonna change everyone's mind, but to keep reverting back to the 60's and slavery is just a tired, tired argument.

And the majority of those complaining about it, were never victims of it. There are some that had to live during those atrocities..but most are just blowhards trying to get some camera time and stir up the pot.

I'm glad you think the past is irrelevant. I agree that things have come a long way but I also believe we could do much, much better. Im allways a bit flabergasted at how many people seem to lack the understanding of how this country's past has shaped its present for better or worse. As for people talking about the lack of women coaches, I don't recall there being many women players in the NFL or football in general. So that argument is pretty weak. I think the NBA might be a better institution to make that case in that there are lots if women basketball players and coaches.

 

[irishpat183]

We can predict 30 years into the future, but no one here is able to understand the past. How convenient...

What do you mean, "Understand".....

We're all familiar with the atrosities against blacks. No one is denying that.


It's just that, moving forward, forcing people to do anything based on race isn't going to solve any problems. It only divides more.

 

[Bluto]

I wonder if progressives and other heroes of "social justice" will be picketing and calling for these measures when whites are the minority in 2040 lol

Nope. We'll just self deport you. Lol

 

[GowerND11]

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[irishpat183]

I'm glad you think the past is irrelevant. I agree that things have come a long way but I also believe we could do much, much better. Im allways a bit flabergasted at how many people seem to lack the understanding of how this country's past has shaped its present for better or worse. As for people talking about the lack of women coaches, I don't recall there being many women players in the NFL or football in general. So that argument is pretty weak. I think the NBA might be a better institution to make that case in that there are lots if women basketball players and coaches.

Did I say, "irrelevent"? Stop with the BS. Nobody on here said "irrelevent". What I'm saying is that I refuse to pay for things or be made to feel bad, because of what happened long before my parents even knew each other. Why should I? I just don't feel the need to keep dragging everyone down race road everytime someone gets their feelings hurt.

And people can always do better...but forcing it on them isn't the way. It only creates resentment. And you're never gonna change everyone's mind.


And I wasn't the one that brought up women coaching.

 

[irishpat183]

I think you misread or misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that no European group I can think of faced the institutionalized racism in the US that African Americans did. I'm not sure what racist fans in Euro soccer leagues has to do with this?

How about the Jews? Heard they had it pretty rough......


And the Irish have not only dealt with it in Europe, but when they came over here.