All Time Top Signing Day Surprises?

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Maybe it is just bc of being an ND fan but so much is always made of kids that choose other schools over Notre Dame on signing day (similar to Heisman highlights always include clips against ND).

I would love to hear your thoughts on some of the great signing day surprises.

My Top 4 are as follows:

1. Scott Bentley choosing FSU over ND. Cover Story on SI (i believe). Turns out he sure sucked.

2. Lorenzo "Booger" choosing FSU over ND. Jury Still out on the Booger.

3. CJ Leak choosing Wake Forest over ND. Big Mistake.

4. Reggie Bush choosing USC over ND. Unfortunately, with out a doubt the right move for Reggie.
 

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Leak was the biggest. It came out of nowhere.

Booker probably second. Bush third.

Bentley got the cover of the SI College Football Preview issue in 1993. Worked out for the best, as one of his hobbies was tape recording himself having sexual relations with women.
 
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Booker and Leak were disappointments, but I don't remember Bush being a surprise. Did anybody think Ty would get him? And Kevin Pendergast was more likable than Bentley anyway.

(Also, dusting off the memory shelf, Maurice Clarett decommitted from Notre Dame because Davie was fired. Pretty funny in retrospect.)
 

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Bush visited USC very late...I think it was in December for the UCLA game. He was considered a strong ND lean.

If Clarett had come to ND, do you think TW would have been a better influence for him off the field more than Tressel's Laissez Faire style?
 
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Good posts--Refresh my memory. Did any of these guys give a verbal to ND and change on signing day or did we just think they were coming?
 

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bigdon said:
Good posts--Refresh my memory. Did any of these guys give a verbal to ND and change on signing day or did we just think they were coming?

Was CJ Leak a verbal? I think he was the only one.

All the other guys were strong leans that went elsewhere as I recall.
 
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jiggafini19 said:
Was CJ Leak a verbal? I think he was the only one.
All the other guys were strong leans that went elsewhere as I recall.

Good question by BigDon....I thought that Bentley was a varment ....i mean verbal commit. Bush and Booger were not.

I think -- as mentioned above - that Leak was also a commit.
 

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Scott Bentley's flipflop was the reason for Lou Holtz's famous "40 year mistake" comment. Holtz was livid at the betrayal.

Bentley was suspended at FSU for taping (audio) a sexual encounter with a coed.

Many ND fans (including me) think his career was a fitting disaster but Bentley is actually a multi record holder for FSU. He kicked for FSU from '93-'96 and holds records for most PATs in a game, season, and career and the highest FG % in a season 16-18.

ND's PK during this time were Pendergast, Cengia, Schroffner, Kopka, and Sanson.

Everbody remembers the personal foul on ND's last KO in the BC game in '93 and Bercich's muff of an INT but few remember the 47yd blocked Pendergast FG attempt in the 1st Q that was returned to the ND 15 and lead to BC's first points. Without those points, Gordon's game ending FG would have been meaningless. ND's kicking game entered a black hole that continued into the Davie years.
 

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Bentley, yes
Leak, silent commit to Davie on the basis that ND would recruit no other QB. Leak broke his word on Signing Day and Davie had no plan B.
Booker, no
Bush, no
 

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All time Signing Day disaster - Jevon Kearse rejected by ND as Joe Moore argued the last slot go to an OL that was a career backup.
 

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Another disaster in the Bentley era was an Argentinian kicker that wanted to go to ND on scholarship. He was a soccer player that only had 1 year of high school football after moving to the US during his high school years. Holtz told him to walk on and earn a scholarship. Instead the kid went to KSU and made 1st Team AA two years in a row and the Lou Groza Award. Martin Gramatica.
 
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BGIF said:
All time Signing Day disaster - Jevon Kearse rejected by ND as Joe Moore argued the last slot go to an OL that was a career backup.

Great info - 1st time i heard that. Hopefully we'll be saying McCoy who spurned USC and surprised everyone and went with ND!
 
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bigdon said:
Good posts--Refresh my memory. Did any of these guys give a verbal to ND and change on signing day or did we just think they were coming?

With Booker it was leaked in the papers and media that his signing-day press conference would be an Irish verbal. ESPN, which carried the press conference, even noted on their ticker that Booker was to declare Irish. The story was that he had stated he was going to ND but received a phonecall from Bowden moments before the conference and felt heart pangs. The only real excuse I ever heard was that he just couldn't see himself in an Irish uniform. He did claim FSU was the school he rooted for growing up.

The ND faithful entered a minor meltdown, as he was widely regarded as the #1 recruit in the country that year.
 
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George O' Leary...Chooses ND but turns them down on signing day to play for Oklahoma. Afterwards, his coaching career would take him near and far, but nothing could compare to coaching the Green Bay Packers to their first Super Bowl win at the age of 26. According to his resume, his Heisman at Oklahoma and his Super Bowl victory are his two greatest accomplishments, but he does wonder what it would have been like to attend Notre Dame.
 
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irishwavend said:
George O' Leary...Chooses ND but turns them down on signing day to play for Oklahoma. Afterwards, his coaching career would take him near and far, but nothing could compare to coaching the Green Bay Packers to their first Super Bowl win at the age of 26. According to his resume, his Heisman at Oklahoma and his Super Bowl victory are his two greatest accomplishments, but he does wonder what it would have been like to attend Notre Dame.

LMAO -- This is without question, the most creative and funniest post on the board i have read. Great job.
 
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weisfaninmass said:
Maybe it is just bc of being an ND fan but so much is always made of kids that choose other schools over Notre Dame on signing day (similar to Heisman highlights always include clips against ND).
I would love to hear your thoughts on some of the great signing day surprises.
My Top 4 are as follows:
1. Scott Bentley choosing FSU over ND. Cover Story on SI (i believe). Turns out he sure sucked.
2. Lorenzo "Booger" choosing FSU over ND. Jury Still out on the Booger.
3. CJ Leak choosing Wake Forest over ND. Big Mistake.
4. Reggie Bush choosing USC over ND. Unfortunately, with out a doubt the right move for Reggie.

I must keep my source confidential (but it is pretty reliable) but a big reason booger chose FSU over ND is because FSU gave his girlfriend a scholarship too...not sure what for though. That conversation that he had with Bowden earlier was to make that offer. My source told me that he looked flustered the day he decided FSU and all the ND coaches were shocked/surprised. Now, that is just shady...
 
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Jarrett Payton might have been the biggest oversight.

He desperately wanted to go to Notre Dame. Walter even gave his son his blessing despite being skeptical. Jarrett attended St. Viator HS in Arlington Heights, IL. He had the poise, presence and articulation that would have made him a great fit at Notre Dame. And Walter Payton's son at the University of Notre Dame? Pretty good story, right?

Apparently, they didn't think he could handle calculus. He visited Miami and loved the city and weather. The rest is history.

Charlie Weis' approach to recruiting in his first year leads me to believe even if ND doesn't land players, they're going to at least have their attention at the very least.
 
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Slingsup said:
I must keep my source confidential (but it is pretty reliable) but a big reason booger chose FSU over ND is because FSU gave his girlfriend a scholarship too...not sure what for though. That conversation that he had with Bowden earlier was to make that offer. My source told me that he looked flustered the day he decided FSU and all the ND coaches were shocked/surprised. Now, that is just shady...

Wow. And Bobby Bowden compared himself to Joe Pa in terms of values and integrity. He is such a slick shyster.
 

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weisfaninmass said:
Wow. And Bobby Bowden compared himself to Joe Pa in terms of values and integrity. He is such a slick shyster.

eh...without a source, that's a completely unsubstantiated accusation. i can't stand bobby bowden, but let's base our dislike for him on actual evidence, not a random internet post.
 
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Jarrett...denied!

Jarrett...denied!

jiggafini19 said:
Jarrett Payton might have been the biggest oversight.
He desperately wanted to go to Notre Dame. Walter even gave his son his blessing despite being skeptical. Jarrett attended St. Viator HS in Arlington Heights, IL. He had the poise, presence and articulation that would have made him a great fit at Notre Dame. And Walter Payton's son at the University of Notre Dame? Pretty good story, right?
Apparently, they didn't think he could handle calculus. He visited Miami and loved the city and weather. The rest is history.
Charlie Weis' approach to recruiting in his first year leads me to believe even if ND doesn't land players, they're going to at least have their attention at the very least.

Hey jiggafini...I know the story behind Jarrett. I myself live in Arlington Heights, and the story is that St. Viator itself has a bad reputation at Notre Dame, and I had read that the director of admissions, I believe Mark Saracino, said No. Apparently several students from St. Viator have struggled at ND, and this pattern gave the school a rep at ND for grade inflation, and hence the non-commital of admission for "Walter Payton's son."
 

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Hey jiggafini...I know the story behind Jarrett. I myself live in Arlington Heights, and the story is that St. Viator itself has a bad reputation at Notre Dame, and I had read that the director of admissions, I believe Mark Saracino, said No. Apparently several students from St. Viator have struggled at ND, and this pattern gave the school a rep at ND for grade inflation, and hence the non-commital of admission for "Walter Payton's son."

So they judged one kid based on the history of others that attended the same high school? Payton didn't get the slack Tony Rice and Chris Zorich did, then.

I know some people over at Viator. All that I've heard tells me that Jarrett Payton is a great kid with the character and integrity that makes me want to throw up when I realize he ended up in Coral Gables. He had more problems with injuries there as opposed to the law.

If the grade inflation thing is true, why not look at the test scores? But it's also funny because I'm from the ESCC and hate Viator with a passion.
 
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I believe his test scores were not too strong...

I believe his test scores were not too strong...

I remember he was quite the soccer star at Viator...I went to Prospect myself...

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Attended St. Viator (Arlington, Ill.) High, playing football for coach Kevin Kelly … Rated the No. 58 overall prospect in the nation by The Sporting News … Named the No. 5 athlete in the Midwest Region by Prep Star … Played quarterback, tailback and receiver … Named to the Chicago Sun-Times and Daily Herald All-Area teams as a senior … Reebok All-American … Catholic Metropolitan All-Conference and MVP selection … Accounted for 2,842 all-purpose yards as a senior … Passed for 1,088 yards and rushed for another 1,345 yards as a senior … On defense, he picked off two passes in limited time … Spent his first two years on the varsity soccer team, leading the squad to a third-place finish at the state championships his final season of soccer.
 

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Payton and Nino DaSilva were quite the soccer tandem for two years. As a frosh and sophomoe, Payton was one of the best in the state.

He jumped right into football and ended up at Miami. Quite an athlete.

Prospect has a dynasty right now. Best thing Pearlman ever did was bring in Joe Petricca as a retired assistant. Petricca took Palatine and made them winners. Prospect was a doormat until these guys got in there.
 
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Hey I was there from 90-94

Hey I was there from 90-94

I recall us (Prospect) winning 4 games while I was there...freshman year 1 game, Sophmore year 2 games, junior year 0 games, and senior year won last game vs. Elk Grove. I know how Temple feels...

I am shocked at the dynasty myself...I still live in the area, and it is nice to see a decent football team. One of the best games that I went to was a playoff semifinal vs. Buffalo Grove when Zbikowski was there and quarterbacking BG against Prospect. It felt like a college atmosphere. I remember Zbikowski fumbling on the 1 yard line, and then Prospect ran out the clock, and ran around the end zone, taking a safety in the end, and winning by 1 point...fantastic game.
 

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polishdomer said:
One of the best games that I went to was a playoff semifinal vs. Buffalo Grove when Zbikowski was there and quarterbacking BG against Prospect. It felt like a college atmosphere. I remember Zbikowski fumbling on the 1 yard line, and then Prospect ran out the clock, and ran around the end zone, taking a safety in the end, and winning by 1 point...fantastic game.

I too, was at that game. Zibby could not beat Prospect.

I recall parking pretty far away for that playoff game and I purposely got there very early.

Their win against Libertyville this year was impressive.
 

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I'll comment in detail on the Balanced Recruiting fallacy tonight but for starters:

Corey Jones wasn't recruited as a LB, he was recruited as a RB. He was the 89nd ranked RB and also played defense. He verballed to GT, then rejected them for ND. He turned down GT and others because they wanted to play defense not RB (see article below). He was unhappy at ND and went back home to Washington.

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January 13, 2001, 12:00 a.m. Pacific
High School Sports
Kennedy star Jones changes mind, selects Notre Dame

by Sandy Ringer
Seattle Times staff reporter




BURIEN - Cory Jones loves to run with the football, which is why the Kennedy High School senior made a U-turn yesterday and gave an oral commitment to Notre Dame after deciding on Georgia Tech the night before.
Kennedy Coach Bob Bourgette confirmed the decision yesterday afternoon, only a few hours after first announcing Jones was headed to Georgia Tech.
"He had made up his mind to go to Georgia Tech (Thursday) night," Bourgette said of the 6-foot-2, 210-pound Jones. "Then they called him back (yesterday) morning and said, 'By the way, we want you to play defense.' That's why he turned down the UW and Colorado. He wanted a shot on offense. He doesn't mind playing defense, but he wants a shot at offense. Georgia Tech told him, 'We really want you to play outside linebacker or in the secondary.' "
Bourgette said Georgia Tech had received three other commitments Thursday, all from receivers, then told Jones he could be best utilized on defense "because he's the bigger, better athlete."
Jones balked and reversed his decision to Notre Dame, where he is expected to play running back. His only official visits were to Notre Dame and Georgia Tech. He cancelled a scheduled visit to Oregon State this weekend. Washington apparently had moved back into the picture recently, and Jones also was being recruited by Colorado.
Bourgette believes Jones will be happy with his decision.
"Notre Dame is a perfect fit for him," he said.
Jones rushed for 1,428 yards and 24 touchdowns in 10 games, averaging 7.8 yards per carry. He also caught 20 passes for 453 yards and six touchdowns. He made The Seattle Times' all-state team on defense, where he also was a force.
 

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One of the biggest roller coaster rides was the saga of RB Lydell Ross.

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http://prepsports.tbo.com/prepsports/MGAH2DXECIC.html
Gaither's Ross says Notre Dame is his pick
ANWAR S. RICHARDSON of The Tampa Tribune
Originally Published: Jan 23, 2001
Gaither High senior running back Lydell Ross has verbally committed to Notre Dame.
Ross visited Notre Dame last weekend and returned late Monday afternoon. Irish coach Bob Davie visited Ross early Tuesday evening and that is when he verbally committed.
He said he canceled a scheduled recruiting trip to Florida this weekend and believed Notre Dame was the school for him.
Signing day is Feb. 7.
Last season, Ross rushed for 2,196 yards and 23 touchdowns, setting a single season Hillsborough County record. Including three playoff games, he rushed for 2,744 yards and 27 touchdowns and was a first-team Class 6A All-State selection.
``This is where I want to be,'' Ross said. ``They focus a lot on academics and you don't go to Notre Dame for the next four years, but for the next 40 years, because this school can set you up for your entire life.''
Ross has roots in Indiana. Melvin Ross, Lydell's father, grew up in South Bend, Ind. The elder Ross played running back in high school and earned a scholarship to Indiana University. They also have family members who live in South Bend, one reason Ross did not return from his recruiting visit until Monday.
``The atmosphere up there was nice and everything seemed well- rounded,'' Lydell Ross said. ``My parents loved it, especially since they focused more on academics.
``Notre Dame really went in depth about what you're there for and I liked that.''
Ross has a 3.8 grade-point average, and scored a 980 on his SAT. He is qualified academically to play in college.
The verbal commitment to Notre Dame, which is non-binding, seemingly ends a confusing recruiting season for Ross. He originally did not want to attend any Florida schools, but later decided he wanted to attend Florida.
At other times Ross was convinced he would attend Tennessee or Ohio State, but said this decision is final.
``My decision is firm,'' Ross said.
``Notre Dame is committed to academics and football and that is where I am going to go.''
 

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6 days later ...

Lydell Ross reconsiders, but Irish land Ellick

By VAUGHN McCLURE
Tribune Staff Writer

The Super Bowl wasn't the only football action going on in Tampa Sunday.
On the same day Notre Dame may have lost a football recruit from the Florida city, the Irish picked up a prospect from the same area.
Lydell Ross, a 6-foot, 210-pound tailback from Tampa's Gaither High School, is no longer committed to Notre Dame. Ross said Sunday night that he is now considering the University of Florida along with Notre Dame and will make a decision between the two schools on signing day, Feb. 7.
Dwight Ellick, a 5-foot-11, 170-pound defensive back from Tampa's Wharton High, verbally committed to the Irish Sunday afternoon, choosing Notre Dame over North Carolina, Syracuse and Rutgers.
Ellick said N.D. gives him the best chance to showcase his cover skills. The cornerback runs the 40-yard dash in 4.29 seconds. This past season for 2-8 Wharton, Ellick had 70 tackles, four interceptions and 16 pass breakups.
Ellick believes he will make an immediate impact at Notre Dame.
"I can guarantee that the best receiver on the other team will not have any catches against me," Ellick said. "I think I can come to Notre Dame and get that starting job. The coaches already told me that."
Ellick will be reunited with Irish offensive coordinator Kevin Rogers, Ellick's little league baseball coach in Syracuse, N.Y. The Ellick family moved to Tampa this past summer. Rogers' wife, Betty, was Ellick's grade school gym teacher.
"It's going to be tight (cool), being around them again," Ellick said. "They really know how to make you feel comfortable."
Ellick was a bit surprised that he wouldn't be joining Ross at Notre Dame.
"That's him, not me," Ellick said of Ross. "I'm not going to change my commitment. I've hinted to the Notre Dame coaches all along that I would be going there."
Things changed for Ross after he made an official visit to Florida this past weekend.
"I took things a little too fast," Ross said of his verbal commitment to Notre Dame last Tuesday. "I always have liked Florida. The Notre Dame coaches knew I was going to visit Florida. I just decided it was in my best interest to consider both schools."
Ross was touted as the second-best prospect to verbally commit to the Irish, right behind tight end Mark LeVoir from Eden Prairie, Minn. Recruiting analyst Tom Lemming tabbed Ross as the nation's 40th-best prospect (LeVoir is 27th).
"I can see a kid changing his commitment from three months ago, but not from just several days ago," Lemming said. "He shouldn't have committed to Notre Dame in the first place. This would be a major loss for Notre Dame, especially since the Irish aren't having much success this recruiting season."
Ross, who gained more than 5,000 yards in his career at Gaither High School, told the Tribune last week that his commitment to Notre Dame was "solid." He made the pledge following an in-home visit from Irish coach Bob Davie and three other members of the N.D. coaching staff.
Ross also told the Tribune he would not make an official visit to Florida, which he did.
Ross' change of heart is surprising, considering his South Bend ties. His father, Melvin, was a standout in football and track at South Bend's Central High. Melvin has favored Notre Dame from the beginning.
"I think Lydell will still end up at Notre Dame, considering how much his father loves the school," Lemming said.
Ross said his family supports his latest decision.
"My family is leaving it all up to me," Ross said. "I'm just going to sit here and consider both schools up until signing day."
 
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