'It' factor favors Notre Dame

[NDgettysburg]

Different duck, same sad song.

Of course you meant, "different duck, same sad quack"

 

[jiggafini19]

I went to Carmel. Graduated in 83. You?

Notre Dame HS, 96.

You may remember us from such ass kickings as the 1989 state championship or the 1992 quarterfinals. You guys had our number those days.

I saw McNabb and Simeon Rice in that 92 game. I was in 8th grade. It was Rice towering over 10 little heads on D.

They lost a tough one this weekend to Prospect in the 7A title game. Coach Lenti is a class act.

 

[bigdon]

Absolute, you're right about one thing!! The money trumps all else. A playoff would run into the same problems as the BCS--Who's in the playoff and how did they get there. Anybody left out would scream just like Oregon. How many teams are going to be in it? 6? 8? 10? The logistics alone would be staggering.

I believe the NC should be picked AFTER all of the bowl games are over. That's how it used to be before the BCS "straightened" everything out.

 

[Guest]

Nah, you're wrong:

Why do you say that? The only bowl that is meaningful is the NC game, because it determines the national champion. All other bowls are about money, why should the Fiesta have to give oregon money, when oregon won't generate the kind of money that ND would. Who the hell watched or even cared about Utah and Pitt last year, it was BAD for college football.

If Oregon was undefeated and left out of the NC GAME than they'd have a right to be mad, because they could argue that they're the best team in the country. But they're not one of the best teams, they're a top 10 team as is ND.

 

[NDgettysburg]

Why do you say that? The only bowl that is meaningful is the NC game, because it determines the national champion. All other bowls are about money, why should the Fiesta have to give oregon money, when oregon won't generate the kind of money that ND would. Who the hell watched or even cared about Utah and Pitt last year, it was BAD for college football.
If Oregon was undefeated and left out of the NC GAME than they'd have a right to be mad, because they could argue that they're the best team in the country. But they're not one of the best teams, they're a top 10 team as is ND.

you completely missed the joke....go back and look what you wrote, what I wrote and who I quoted.

 

[goducks2005]

It's a good point. Oregon is not Notre Dame. It's definitely a good thing that ND has all that "tradition" and fan base, because they certainly don't have a chance of winning a BCS bowl. Correct me if I am wrong, but the last 3 bowls that ND has played in, they have lost by an average of 40-18. I would love nothing more than watching my Ducks tear apart your mediocre ND team, however, I am resigned to my fate of watching my team crush Oklahoma in the Holiday bowl, and then i can relax and watch ND get spanked in a big bowl.....again.

 

[Irish Envy]

It's a good point. Oregon is not Notre Dame. It's definitely a good thing that ND has all that "tradition" and fan base, because they certainly don't have a chance of winning a BCS bowl. Correct me if I am wrong, but the last 3 bowls that ND has played in, they have lost by an average of 40-18. I would love nothing more than watching my Ducks tear apart your mediocre ND team, however, I am resigned to my fate of watching my team crush Oklahoma in the Holiday bowl, and then i can relax and watch ND get spanked in a big bowl.....again.

If Notre Dame wins it's bowl game, you and your Duck fans going to man up and come post your "I was wrong" posts?

 

[NDgettysburg]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the last 3 bowls that ND has played in, they have lost by an average of 40-18.

NONE of those 3 teams are the team that's on the field now....if you think they are, I have a nice pair of dark sunglasses for you, Mr. Wonder. This team is exponentially better than even the last team in a bowl ('04).

Why you Duckheads seem to place so much importance on the results of the "last 3 bowls", is mind-boggling. You're not even comparing the most recent team to the present one. This year's team WON the games, they didn't luck into marginal wins. You can't even claim that in the Stanford game. They fell behind at the end and marched the ball down the field with little problem. That's not luck, that's being good.

 

[TexasDomer]

It's a good point. Oregon is not Notre Dame. It's definitely a good thing that ND has all that "tradition" and fan base, because they certainly don't have a chance of winning a BCS bowl. Correct me if I am wrong, but the last 3 bowls that ND has played in, they have lost by an average of 40-18. I would love nothing more than watching my Ducks tear apart your mediocre ND team, however, I am resigned to my fate of watching my team crush Oklahoma in the Holiday bowl, and then i can relax and watch ND get spanked in a big bowl.....again.

The last 3 bowls were under different coaching staffs, with different schemes. Notre Dame this year is better than all three of those teams in terms of margin of victory, yards per game and NCAA rankings in most offensive categories and even some defensive categories.

Apples and oranges, my migratory water fowl friend.

Those ND teams were mediocre, and ND fans knew it. The one that came within :03 of upsetting USC, as well as beating several ranked teams on the road this year, isn't. You were probably one of those folks who, if you cared, thought ND would go 0-6 or 1-5 early in the season, then, when we beat these teams and sent their seasons into tailspins, all of the sudden we played a mediocre schedule. That's the tricky thing about momentum. Win and you gain it; lose and you lose it.

What matters is that we have as many wins against 1A teams as Oregon, we played the #1 team closer than you did, we had a tougher schedule, we get everyone's best shot each week (including Washington and Stanford), and we met the criteria all the conferences, including the Pac-10, agreed to for the BCS.

Notre Dame and Oregon both deserve BCS berths this year. WVU and possibly FSU and Colorado are the ones who don't. Four BCS games, two teams per game, 8 spots, ND and Oregon both in the Top 8. The math and logic aren't all that hard. Anyone outside the Top 8 who crashes this party is to blame for displacing a team in the Top 8.

It's just not as en vogue to bash the Mountaineers. It's much more fun to take a poke at Notre Dame. That's the irony of all this. All this quacking just confirms that, like it or not, Notre Dame is the standard by which excellence in college football is measured.

 

[LuckyDUCK]

I agree

I agree

That we need a different system then the BCS. Playoffs is the answer, but then you get into what you said, how many teams. 2 teams from each conferance, then what next. Draw names out of a hat to see whcih teams are faced against who else. BTW , when the ND gets their butt kick in the Bowl Game SO in so, you will need to proclaim that "I ND fan, Love my overrated RUDY loving IRISH whimps".

 

[Irish Envy]

That we need a different system then the BCS. Playoffs is the answer, but then you get into what you said, how many teams. 2 teams from each conferance, then what next. Draw names out of a hat to see whcih teams are faced against who else. BTW , when the ND gets their butt kick in the Bowl Game SO in so, you will need to proclaim that "I ND fan, Love my overrated RUDY loving IRISH whimps".

It's called a hybrid system. You use the BCS to calculate the Top 16 teams in the country and then you have a 16 team playoff with those teams. It's that simple... in fact, so simple that it will never happen.

Secondly, is English your second language? Your are awefully difficult to understand. Just curious, do you have a degree from Oregon?

 

[NDgettysburg]

2 teams from each conferance

For fu#$#k sake, what the hell is it with you people and your conferences? Don't you realize it's the conference format that is to blame for your whining about being shut out of the BCS? For God's sake, break the conference ties. I don't give a duck's fat ass what conference a team comes from as long as we get the best and most deserving teams playing. How many times do you have to be told that without conference ties, Oregon, ND and OSU would ALL be in a big game? How goddamn hard is that to comprehend?

It's not enough that you people want a guaranteed spot for conference champion but you also want one for runner-up. What about 3rd place? What if 2nd and 3rd are actually tied in the win-loss record but your beloved Ducks lose out on some tie-breaker that doesn't fit your personal definition of what's acceptable? You'll cry some more...

 

[TexasDomer]

That we need a different system then the BCS. Playoffs is the answer, but then you get into what you said, how many teams. 2 teams from each conferance, then what next. Draw names out of a hat to see whcih teams are faced against who else. BTW , when the ND gets their butt kick in the Bowl Game SO in so, you will need to proclaim that "I ND fan, Love my overrated RUDY loving IRISH whimps".

Here's how you do a playoff:

Play a 9 game regular season.

Top 16 teams selected, a la NCAA hoops, using record, strength of schedule, etc.

First Round--on home field of higher seeded team (16 down to 8)
Quarter finals--on home field of higher seeded team. (8 down to 4)
Semi Finals--on home field of higher seeded team
Final--Rotated among 5 major bowls, with consolation games for the other 14 "chase for championship" teams in other bowls.

Still 13 games total, preserves bowl intrigue.

And, so you know, regardless of the outcome of this year's bowl game, we will still love Notre Dame and root for it always.

In terms of us being "whimps" [sic], ask your pals at USC which game was more mentally or physically exhausting for them this year. Which one did Bush call the greatest game he ever competed in? Which one did Leinart cry at after winning? Which one captured more media attention and credit--for the losing team?

On a neutral field, Notre Dame beats Oregon. Maybe our friends in Tempe will see to this after the shameless lobbying Duck Nation has done.

 

[bigdon]

Texas, we all know how a playoff could be handled! The problem is PICKING THE TOP 16! Don't you think No. 17 would be just a LITTLE pissed? The BCS was supposed to solve the problem of who is No. 1. They have done that! It's just that the rest of the BCS is in a god awful mess.

 

[TexasDomer]

Bigdon,

Of course #17 would be ticked off, just like #66 is in hoops. In the NFL, an 8-8 team in a tough division has a legitimate gripe against a 10-6 team.

The point is that we should get rid of conference alliances and just pick the top X teams based upon an agreed-upon set of objective criteria.

 

[jiggafini19]

How are these idiots coming out here and telling us ND is overrated? That they're going to get blown out in a BCS bowl?

The days of the 31 point blowouts are over. ND lost 2 games by a total of 6 points. Sorry, but a one loss team with an ass kicking doesn't impress me. Oregon, Va Tech....garbage losses. UGA has lost two games by a total of what, four points? LSU lost in September in OT to Tennessee. Penn State lost on the last play of the game...on the road....against scUM....a team ND beat....on the road. Oh, and Ohio State lost to Texas and Penn State both times by 7 or less. That's five teams right there that COULD be more deserving of Oregon.

I'm really not sure what the bowl history of the last ten years or Rockne or Rudy have to do with Charlie Weis and this group. Past history, good or bad, really mean nothing to these kids. And our coach could give a $hit less about Oregon State bowl games or the teams crying that they're not getting in...or in your case, Oregon, MIGHT not be getting in.

Sorry we couldn't blow EVERYONE out this year. Close road wins against Michigan by 7 and Stanford by 7 are unacceptable. You're right.

But that 13-0 lead at halftime against SC? Now THAT is a mark of achievement.

Funny, a Notre Dame-Oregon matchup would have ND slotted as a favorite. They'd also be favored over Ohio State. Did I mention they were unranked to start the season? The writers, coaches and computers all say ND should be there. They same the same about Oregon. Now, we wait and see what the system that OREGON'S CONFERENCE AGREED TO.

What to place blame? Look at your team, Ducks. They beat SC, they're in. Didn't get it done. Sorry.

Waiting.....for an intelligent piece of conversation.......please......anyone......

 

[LuckyDUCK]

1 loss does impress alot of people. I know that USC is a better team. I for one don't think we are the best in the country. USC, TEXAS are better then Oregon. They have proven that to me. ND , you guys are living on HIstory. IF no ,then what is? History of ND itself is what is going to get you in , not your playing. Your history has shown that you guys have been over rated, put into bowl games that are above your playing ability and what happens. You guys lose, plain and simple. Explain to me why , since 1994 you have lost 7 bowl games. I know its not the same team of today, my point being is that ND is overrated and they will lose thier bowl game.

 

[NDgettysburg]

you guys are living on HIstory. IF no ,then what is? History of ND itself is what is going to get you in , not your playing.

(sorry, couldn't find a broken record smiley)

 

[jiggafini19]

I know its not the same team of today, my point being is that ND is overrated and they will lose thier bowl game.

Based on what, though?

In the last ten years, scUM and Tennessee have been two of the ten best and winningest programs in America. No one could have foreseen that scUM would have an off year and Tennessee would suck. The Vols beat LSU, their only loss. scUM gave Penn State their only loss and won AT Iowa.

ND played their schedule, blowing out 7 of 9 opponents and losing two games by three points each. I'm not sure how that makes a team overrated. They did what they were supposed to do. If those 7 games had been closer, we'd be hearing that we narrowly defeated these teams. SC and Texas are doing the same thing, they're just unbeaten. If you read between the lines, there isn't much difference between any of these schools.

To say that this year's team is getting in on history and not merit is crazy. If both teams were 10-1, you'd still have the same argument. Two losses or not, Notre Dame is a quality football team. Everyone in college football agrees with that. Just not Mark May, but he's a racist ass.

This is what the decision makers are taking into account LuckyDuck. ND's two narrow defeats are equivalent to Oregon's one 45-13 loss. A one loss team that lost badly can be a major turnoff.

Can you say that 2005 Oregon is more deserving than 2004 Cal?

 

[domerfor life]

1 loss does impress alot of people. I know that USC is a better team. I for one don't think we are the best in the country. USC, TEXAS are better then Oregon. They have proven that to me. ND , you guys are living on HIstory. IF no ,then what is? History of ND itself is what is going to get you in , not your playing. Your history has shown that you guys have been over rated, put into bowl games that are above your playing ability and what happens. You guys lose, plain and simple. Explain to me why , since 1994 you have lost 7 bowl games. I know its not the same team of today, my point being is that ND is overrated and they will lose thier bowl game.

Your point is that Notre Dame is overrated this year, but you continuously use information from past years.????????????? You're a walking, grammatically-challenged contradiction. Our record is 9-2 this year. We've lost 2 games by 6 points this year. We are one of the top 8 teams (after not being ranked in the preseason) this year. We have a Top 10 Offense this year. Luckyduck, what is it about this team this year that makes you think that we will get blown out? Take some time to write an intellectual, detailed analysis of why you feel this way based on what you've seen "this year". Until then, you're just a babbling fool who is in dire need of a remedial English course. I mean....is any Duck fan capable of being objective and rational. These threads of emotional BS are pissing me off. I'm running over the next duck I see in the streets.

 

[Domer95]

What about the past. That is what you are all saying, Its about the History of ND, who cares, thats my point. Bowl games at-large should be based on a year to year bases.

DumbQuack,
You just said that your point is "what about the past....bowl games should be based on a year to year basis" (or did you really mean bases????????????)

If that's so, that defeats your whole argument of "when was the last time ND won a bowl game".....furthermore, look at this ND team THIS YEAR....9-2, BCS ELIGIBLE. 'Nuff said.

Are you the mentally challenged little brother of Dickquack????

 

[domerfor life]

He's a freaking idiot is what he is. A walking contradiction incapable of experiencing one minute of intelligence.

 

[NDgettysburg]

ND played their schedule, blowing out 7 of 9 opponents and losing two games by three points each. I'm not sure how that makes a team overrated. They did what they were supposed to do.

Don't try a logical approach jigga, it'll only confuse him.

 

[jiggafini19]

Notre Dame vs Oregon all time: 1-0-1

41-0 in 76 and 13-13 in 1982.

Unbeaten against the Ducks trumps those two losses to the Beavers.

There. Now I'm stupid too.

 

[ccrit79]

Great win over Montana. That was a tough one. And dont try to say that Montana is a solid team, because I live here and they sucked this year. By the way, what was the final score when you played USC. I forgot what it was.

 

[TomFoolery]

Amazingly to me Willingham gets zero love for bringing in the likes of Walker, The Shark, & Brady. Wasn't for Ty giving Brady a chance, he wouldn't be at ND.

 

[jiggafini19]

Amazingly to me Willingham gets zero love for bringing in the likes of Walker, The Shark, & Brady. Wasn't for Ty giving Brady a chance, he wouldn't be at ND.

He had no choice.

Carlyle Holiday has terrible.

 

[domerfor life]

Amazingly to me Willingham gets zero love for bringing in the likes of Walker, The Shark, & Brady. Wasn't for Ty giving Brady a chance, he wouldn't be at ND.

I think he does get love. People on the outside are constantly saying that Charlie is doing this with Ty's recruits. Even though Brady was extremely inexperienced at the time, he was a much better option than Carlyle Holiday. That was a classic case of square peg-round hole. Holiday was a good player though and was stuck in the same situation that Chris Leak is in now- that being a new coach who struggles to adapt to his personnel. Anyway, Ty brought them in, but he didn't do much with them (i.e.-Maurice Stovall). Rhema McKnight was our leading receiver last year with 600+ yards. We had two 1000 yd receivers this year and broke numerous records. It will be nice when we can break defensive records.

 

[jiggafini19]

It will be nice when we can break defensive records.

What a fine day that will be.

 

[Richduck]

Lol

Lol

Great win over Montana. That was a tough one. And dont try to say that Montana is a solid team, because I live here and they sucked this year. By the way, what was the final score when you played USC. I forgot what it was.

Great Loss to Michigan State. That was a tough one. Great job beating USC as well! You deserve the National Championship for that loss. OSU, Cal, UCLA, Fresno State, and now Notre Dame all have something in common now. They almost beat USC. Hold onto that memory, that's as close as you'll ever get to another National Championship.