OMG, the Whining is getting bad.

[TexasDomer]

Great post TexasDomer, but you're wrong on this.

If ND had won that game, it would have been another crap win against a bad team. So what's the difference? If ND and Oregon were both one loss teams both losing to SC, they'd still feel more deserving and so would we.

That MSU game would have been a lose-lose situation based on this Sesame Street logic.

Maybe it was better to say, "No doubt the loss to Michigan State doesn't help the argument."

 

[irish9331]

Beware of trolls...

 

[Domer95]

DAMN TRAVELING AND WORK!!!! Sorry I missed all of the fireworks yesterday and today.

The best way to defeat the Quacks, Paper Tigers and F@ckeyes are to 1) BEAT THEIR ASSES on the field and 2) IGNORE their ignorant 'fans'.

Even if we went undefeated there would be those who'd say that we didn't belong in the BCS champ game. They've always been there and always will.

Again, other than the BCS champ game, NO BOWL is set up for the 'most deserving'...it's all about fannies in the seats and eyes on the tube. And the haters are green with envy that WE ARE AND WILL ALWAYS BE #1 as far as that's concerned.

 

[NDgettysburg]

So before you putzes claim that ND is better then Oregon, remember Oregon's only loss was to the number 1 team in the Country

This is great...their only loss...you got BLOWN out. You gave up 35 points in the 2nd half.

How bout we just decide who goes to the Fiesta based on who gave the #1 team in the country the tougher game? Nah, didn't think so.

 

[jiggafini19]

I seem to recall CAL having this same argument last year and they got left out.

They proceeded to get blown out mushroom cloud style by Texas Tech in their non-BCS bowl game.

This is the system. ND has to go 9-2 to QUALIFY for a BCS game. Then it is up to the suits to decide who they want to play in their bowl. So why everyone is coming to ND boards and talking $hit puzzles me. The system is in place, everyone has agreed on it, ND has done their part and Oregon has done theirs....sort of. You win your conference, you're an automatic. Since they didn't do that, they're an at large team that has left their fate in the hands of the suits. And the suits want to make money. They don't care about an overtime loss to Michigan State.

I suggest a few things: Wherever Oregon ends up, they'd better win. If you pull a Cal, be prepared to listen to people laugh. Two, wherever you play you'd better buy some tickets and travel with the team. Prove the suits wrong. Those of you who don't go, tune in and watch. Let the ticket sales and ratings do the talking.

Last, Notre Dame must now win. It is the only way to keep momentum moving and that will allow us to start the new year without having to listen to jackasses from every other time zone come here and hate.

Success breeds contempt. Always has, always will.

 

[irishnd31]

I seem to recall CAL having this same argument last year and they got left out.
They proceeded to get blown out mushroom cloud style by Texas Tech in their non-BCS bowl game.
This is the system. ND has to go 9-2 to QUALIFY for a BCS game. Then it is up to the suits to decide who they want to play in their bowl. So why everyone is coming to ND boards and talking $hit puzzles me. The system is in place, everyone has agreed on it, ND has done their part and Oregon has done theirs....sort of. You win your conference, you're an automatic. Since they didn't do that, they're an at large team that has left their fate in the hands of the suits. And the suits want to make money. They don't care about an overtime loss to Michigan State.
I suggest a few things: Wherever Oregon ends up, they'd better win. If you pull a Cal, be prepared to listen to people laugh. Two, wherever you play you'd better buy some tickets and travel with the team. Prove the suits wrong. Those of you who don't go, tune in and watch. Let the ticket sales and ratings do the talking.
Last, Notre Dame must now win. It is the only way to keep momentum moving and that will allow us to start the new year without having to listen to jackasses from every other time zone come here and hate.
Success breeds contempt. Always has, always will.

Well said Jiggs.

 

[Domer95]

Ammo for all of the Auburn apologists........

Three of Auburn's wins are against 3-8 teams (perennial SEC doormats Miss.State, Ole Miss, Kentucky) and two wins are against 4-7 teams (Arkansas and the middling alma mater of dear ol' J. DimWhitlock, Ball State). Furthermore they have bottom fed on a division I-AA team (Western Kentucky).

It's also interesting that the cumulative margin of victory for the top 4 SEC teams over Arkansas was 33 points (3+17+11+2), while USC beat them by 57 points......

Maybe Auburn and Oregon should play in the GALLO Whine Bowl..........It would be most fitting.

 

[domerfor life]

Ammo for all of the Auburn apologists........
Three of Auburn's wins are against 3-8 teams (perennial SEC doormats Miss.State, Ole Miss, Kentucky) and two wins are against 4-7 teams (Arkansas and the middling alma mater of dear ol' J. DimWhitlock, Ball State). Furthermore they have bottom fed on a division I-AA team (Western Kentucky).
It's also interesting that the cumulative margin of victory for the top 4 SEC teams over Arkansas was 33 points (3+17+11+2), while USC beat them by 57 points......
Maybe Auburn and Oregon should play in the GALLO Whine Bowl..........It would be most fitting.

The SEC is not that great this year. Even LSU, who is the best team in the league, is madly inconsistent. They've got million dollar talent, but they can't seem to put it all together and dominate on a consistent basis.

 

[Richduck]

Congratulations on beating Michigan, Navy, BYU, and squeaking by a Stanford team that lost to UC-Davis. What happened the last time Notre Dame played a team from the state of Oregon? When's the last time Notre Dame won a bowl game again?

 

[scooper]

Congratulations on beating Michigan, Navy, BYU, and squeaking by a Stanford team that lost to UC-Davis. What happened the last time Notre Dame played a team from the state of Oregon? When's the last time Notre Dame won a bowl game again?

And congrats to you on your impending trip to San Diego. At least the weather will be nice.

 

[scooper]

Is better than losing to Michigan State 5-6 and needing a 4th quarter comeback to beat a Stanford team that lost to a 1-AA opponent. Yes we all know Notre Dame almost beat USC with the help of a little extra long grass knowing they couldn't keep up with the speed of the Pac-10. However, if you actually watched the USC game vs Oregon, the Ducks fell apart in the second half. They did not get their butts kicked. Leading at half time two stupid penalties and the ducks lose a close one like Notre Dame but that still equals 1 loss.

I did watch it. You got thumped. Call it falling apart. I call it getting beat.

But, if you want to use that argument, get a copy of the ND-MSU game and notice two gift TDs from ND to MSU.

But, now I'm getting into excuses when I don't need to. What I need to do is start looking into airfare to Arizona.

 

[jiggafini19]

Congratulations on beating Michigan, Navy, BYU, and squeaking by a Stanford team that lost to UC-Davis. What happened the last time Notre Dame played a team from the state of Oregon? When's the last time Notre Dame won a bowl game again?

The last time ND played a team from the state of Oregon, they didn't have a coach. As you know, Notre Dame is a bunch of racists and fired Tyrone Willingham, your very own Pac 10 doormat. So he's not around anymore. I don't see the mighty Beavers in a bowl this year.

The last time ND played Yale, they were shutout. It was 1914. I tremble at the thought of playing them again or a team from the same state. Yawn.

The scUM, Navy, BYU argument is getting really lame. Sagarin has the schedule ranked ahead of SC, Texas, Auburn and.....OREGON. I think I got that spelling correct.

Please go spew this moronic crap on the West Virginia boards. You can compare the defenisve schemes to that of Montana and Wofford. Clearly, Montana is a better I-AA than Wofford.

Texas Tech 45, Cal 13. Same conference, same scenario, different team and different year. Hopefully your boys can back it up wherever they end up.

 

[domerfor life]

Congratulations on beating Michigan, Navy, BYU, and squeaking by a Stanford team that lost to UC-Davis. What happened the last time Notre Dame played a team from the state of Oregon? When's the last time Notre Dame won a bowl game again?

Richduck, the argument about strength of schedule is played out, not to mention inadequate. You are 10-1. 5 out of 10 teams in your conference have a losing record. You didn't even have to play UCLA this year. 2 PAC-10 teams are barely above .500. You played non-conference games against Montana (Div 1AA), Houston (6-5), and a respectable Fresno State team (8-3) which were all wins. 5 of your wins came against the bottom half of your conference. You say we squeaked by Stanford? Did you forget that you beat Arizona (7 pts) and WSU (3 pts) by 10 points combined? Last time I checked, they weren't too far from the cellar. As I've told countless Oregon fans, the two losses to OSU have nothing to do with this year. Our last bowl victory has nothing to do with this year. It's nice material for opposing fans to use to get under our skin, but that's all it is. What...are they going to bring those teams back and replay the game? Don't think so. Oregon State is a bottom-feeder this year. When you get finished, we are still laughing at you and ND will be laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[irishnd31]

Richduck, the argument about strength of schedule is played out, not to mention inadequate. You are 10-1. 5 out of 10 teams in your conference have a losing record. You didn't even have to play UCLA this year. 2 PAC-10 teams are barely above .500. You played non-conference games against Montana (Div 1AA), Houston (6-5), and a respectable Fresno State team (8-3) which were all wins. 5 of your wins came against the bottom half of your conference. You say we squeaked by Stanford? Did you forget that you beat Arizona (7 pts) and WSU (3 pts) by 10 points combined? Last time I checked, they weren't too far from the cellar. As I've told countless Oregon fans, the two losses to OSU have nothing to do with this year. Our last bowl victory has nothing to do with this year. It's nice material for opposing fans to use to get under our skin, but that's all it is. What...are they going to bring those teams back and replay the game? Don't think so. Oregon State is a bottom-feeder this year. When you get finished, we are still laughing at you and ND will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Get him boys!!!!

I'd chime in again, but I'd just get my post (CENSORED) again. I'll let you boys fight this one for me!! I have what doctors like to call a potty mouth!!

 

[jiggafini19]

WVU board looks awfully, awfully quiet.

The Ducklings must think the Mountaineers are truly more deserving. Especially with all of the ass kissing WVU is doing for Oregon. Read this:

Oregon's problem is the lack of a Jan. 1 bowl for the P10 2nd place.
All the complaints by the P10 are caused by the conferences inability to hold onto the Cotton Bowl. If they had that slot there would be less complaining and Oregon could live with a date with Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl. That is the same problem the Big East would have had if it had totally lost the Gator Bowl.

Which received a reply of:

All I'm saying is they always have a solid football team with great fans. They sure don't get any respect. It reminds me of WVU.

I wept. Jigga wept tears. No lie.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

I love this quote. "When I gave them numbers to show that stats wise were actually a better team they only respond with cursing and threats." I think any teams stats would be pretty good if they had a panzy of a schedule that ND does. I also love the "but Michigan State was good and 4-0 when we played them quote." Fact is Michigan State had beaten NCAA powerhouses Kent State and Hawaii to go 2-0 before entering South Bend. Next thing we're gonna hear is "Stanford's a pretty good team." So good in fact that Stanford's first loss of the year was at the hands of UC-Davis. So before you putzes claim that ND is better then Oregon, remember Oregon's only loss was to the number 1 team in the Country and the last time you won any bowl game was in 1994.

I love oregoon fans,I really hope you get to play the irish!!!

don't talk about the past,what did you do last year?at least we barely went to a bowl.

also,I wouldn't be bragging too much about getting beat by the #1 team in the nation
45-13...didn't you score those 13 points in the first half?
I'd rather lose to michigan state and usc by a field goal then get beat by the pac-10 champ like that

too bad you didn't play ucla this year,we wouldn't even be having this discussion

I find it funny that you hate the irish so much because they are in the top 8,at least that's what the coaches think.

this is all high school talk by me too,and it still proves the point

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

Is better than losing to Michigan State 5-6 and needing a 4th quarter comeback to beat a Stanford team that lost to a 1-AA opponent. Yes we all know Notre Dame almost beat USC with the help of a little extra long grass knowing they couldn't keep up with the speed of the Pac-10. However, if you actually watched the USC game vs Oregon, the Ducks fell apart in the second half. They did not get their butts kicked. Leading at half time two stupid penalties and the ducks lose a close one like Notre Dame but that still equals 1 loss.

leading at haltime
great half time adjustments

seems to me you guys barely put up 250 yards in that game
usc defense must not be that great notre dame put up over 400

yet you still want to claim take away a couple of penalties and the ducks lose a close one.

I'm not going to kill someone with kindness after saying that.

 

[irishnd31]

leading at haltime
great half time adjustments
seems to me you guys barely put up 250 yards in that game
usc defense must not be that great notre dame put up over 400
yet you still want to claim take away a couple of penalties and the ducks lose a close one.
I'm not going to kill someone with kindness after saying that.

I'm still staying out of this one Tennessee-Irish. I can tell that this fool is getting to you like he got to me. You guys are handling it a heck of a lot better than I did.

 

[domerfor life]

Here's the thing. Cal had more of an argument last year after taking SC to the wire. I believe SC won by 4 points and only did so after Cal couldn't get the ball in the endzone on their last drive ( not sure on the details, but I'm pretty sure they are close). I remember the ball sailing out of the receiver's hands out of bounds. Oregon, on the other hand, has no argument. "We led at halftime" does not classify as an argument. We led at halftime too, but guess what......they didn't score 35 unanswered points against us. You played the only legitimate team on your schedule and you got thumped soundly. Cal is struggling and Fresno State just blew chunks against Nevada. Again, what does are last bowl win have to do with anything that's going on this season? I could respect Duck fans if they had decent arguments, but you come with the same crap and it gets dumber and dumber with every post. Not to mention more immature and irrelevant.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

all I'm saying is whoever we play in a bowl it better be a win.Please oh please let it be win.

I think we can beat ohio state too.We are going to have to be able to run the ball against them with success that's for sure.

just remember whoever it is,it just has to be a win.It can even go into overtime,but it has to be a win.

keep the faith,go irish

 

[Richduck]

Sagarin is a joke. He's got Michigan State ranked number 25. Your SOS is worse then Oregon's. That is why the BCS has you at #8 and Oregon at #7. Montana may be 1AA but Oregon was forced to play them when Oklahoma rescheduled. Yes we all know that Notre Dame almost beat USC at home, but so did Fresno State at USC. Hurry up and vote the country thinks Notre Dame fans should shut up. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/index

 

[irishnd31]

Sagarin is a joke. He's got Michigan State ranked number 25. Your SOS is worse then Oregon's. That is why the BCS has you at #8 and Oregon at #7. Montana may be 1AA but Oregon was forced to play them when Oklahoma rescheduled. Yes we all know that Notre Dame almost beat USC at home, but so did Fresno State at USC. Hurry up and vote the country thinks Notre Dame fans should shut up. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/index

Forced to play Montana? Oregon couldn't find another D1 school anywhere? You HAD to play a 1AA team? Come on. Listen to yourself.

 

[domerfor life]

Sagarin is a joke. He's got Michigan State ranked number 25. Your SOS is worse then Oregon's. That is why the BCS has you at #8 and Oregon at #7. Montana may be 1AA but Oregon was forced to play them when Oklahoma rescheduled. Yes we all know that Notre Dame almost beat USC at home, but so did Fresno State at USC. Hurry up and vote the country thinks Notre Dame fans should shut up. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/index

Montana came and put a gun to your head? No other D-1A school had an opening?........Yeah, ok...whatever you say buddy. Notice Oregon wasn't one of the teams that almost beat USC. So are you finally conceding that you got your butts handed to you? Who cares about Sagarin? We are a mortal lock for the BCS and you're traveling down to Phoenix, getting on hand and knee to beg for a spot. ESPN will do anything to get hits. It's funny how we should shut up, but we really haven't said that much. It's fans of other teams who start bullsh_t like this.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

Sagarin is a joke. He's got Michigan State ranked number 25. Your SOS is worse then Oregon's. That is why the BCS has you at #8 and Oregon at #7. Montana may be 1AA but Oregon was forced to play them when Oklahoma rescheduled. Yes we all know that Notre Dame almost beat USC at home, but so did Fresno State at USC. Hurry up and vote the country thinks Notre Dame fans should shut up. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/index

are you still here?

okay to start with I've talked to several quacks and they all seem to be whining that it was Indiana who bailed out on them and not oklahoma,so please correct me if I'm wrong.Which either way it probably doesn't matter,oklahoma didn't seem to have that great of a year either,but Indiana (4-7)that would have been a tough one,talk about SOS there.I think your chances were better with montana myself.

I also seem to think that the whole debate on the notre dame/oregoon thing on espn has something to do with
should notre dame stop trying to DEFEND itself on going to a bcs bowl
or
should oregoon STOP CRYING because they are not
If i am correct then it seems most of the nation,oregon included,seems to really not know what is going on and you are voting for notre dame to stop defending itself and just happily go to the bcs.
now once again,I could be wrong on this matter
Do you even know who the mikeandmike show is?That's MIKE GOLIC he played for notre dame you know.Now mike is a professional and isn't necessarily biased towards notre dame in his job,but the point is rather since you did want to talk about the past have you ever noticed that it seems that everywere you turn something and/or someone always has something to do with THE IRISH.I myself also find that awesome.

 

[jiggafini19]

I thought it was IU as well, not OU.

This Oregon crap is boring me.

Any news on Jason Kates.

HA! Damn, I'm good.

 

[irishnd31]

I thought it was IU as well, not OU.
This Oregon crap is boring me.
Any news on Jason Kates.
HA! Damn, I'm good.

I never thought you'd ask. LMAO!! I heard Jason Kates is chubby! HEE HEE

I agree, this whole duck thing is a bore. This dude don't have a pot to piss in and he knows it.

 

[NDgettysburg]

What happened the last time Notre Dame played a team from the state of Oregon?

I'm sorry, when did results of the last time 2 teams played count for anything when sending out bowl game invitations?

When's the last time Notre Dame won a bowl game again?

Don't know if you'd get much argument that either Ty or Davie's teams deserved bowls. Willingham's team went because they were very opportunistic on defense and it won them some games they probably should have lost. Davie just stunk all around.

But to whine that ND doesn't deserve a bowl this year after seeing how Weis turned the team around (same players Willingham couldn't do squat with), just makes you look like a fool.

Once again, I refer back to the USC games...who got their ass whipped and who was 1 play of ending USC's winning streak and knocking it out of the championship race?

All you had to do was win your conference...you had a guaranteed bid. You blew it. Something tells me that if ND was in the Big East and had their automatic bid, you'd still be complaining that they didn't deserve it.

Wake up and direct your complaints where they belong....all the conferences that won't loosen their grip on automatic bowl bids. BTW, both the PAC10 and Big10 officials agreed to the conditions that ND needed to be eligible. Now that they've done it, it's still not enough?

 

[domerfor life]

I thought it was IU as well, not OU.
This Oregon crap is boring me.
Any news on Jason Kates.
HA! Damn, I'm good.

LOL! Any word on other future recruits? This coaching staff really works hard at recruiting. It's very admirable. So much for not being able to bring talent to South Bend, huh? So much for not being able to win either. Excuses by incapable men. Go Irish!!

 

[BigIrish]

for those of you who don't scan through ndnation.com from time to time. especially for the oregon fans. check out the latest version of the rock, and pay particularly close attention to the thoughtful analysis as to why oregon is barking up the wrong tree.....

http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=rockreport;pid=125;d=this

richduck, i challenge you to provide a rebuttal that's even half as well thought out as the analysis in the link above. you might try removing your green tinted goggles and approaching it as a college football fan rather than a "caught in the green and yellow headlights" oregon fan.

 

[Stealingshrimp]

hey richduck...
Hopefully you can get Oklahoma back for tainting your sched by beating them in the PACIFIC LIFE holiday bowl! =)