Manti Te'o for Heisman

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Agreed. Its just hard to quantify and compare players that aren't QB, RB or WR's. Heck a CB could have 0 pics all year and be the best in the league because no one ever throws to that side.

My counter to that would be: take Manziel away from A&M and what would they be? With him, they already lost 2 games. Take Te'o away from ND and Lord only knows. I just think he is more valuable to the #1 team in the country. Ya know?

At least this makes more sense then when Troy Smith beat out Brady Quinn.
 

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A TD is 7 points if a successful conversion is yielded.

9 points was the spread champ.

Why are you here?

Go away.

Johnny needs you to bail him out of jail.

We aren't voters in the Heisman.

Take your bullshit to wherever their forum exists.


Im gonna go out on a limb as say you picked up your ND tshirt at the local walmart lol. What was your degree in again?
 

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My counter to that would be: take Manziel away from A&M and what would they be? With him, they already lost 2 games. Take Te'o away from ND and Lord only knows. I just think he is more valuable to the #1 team in the country. Ya know?

At least this makes more sense then when Troy Smith beat out Brady Quinn.

How about take Manziel away and add in a top ten draft pick senior QB. Its called 2011. It sucked.

We have lost to the number 3 and 6 team in the nation by an average of 4 points. Both times our kicker missed field goals that would have won it. Losses are losses but its not like we were out of our league.
 
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Truth is: I'll be more upset if Te'o loses the Bednarik then the Heisman.
 
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Im gonna go out on a limb as say you picked up your ND tshirt at the local walmart lol. What was your degree in again?

#truth

Sadly enough, the Wolverines gear has taken a plummet.

So I actually invested in Sam's Choice ND gear.

They tried running Texas A&M gear around here, but everyone around thought a picture of a pimply white kid that looks like Mad Magazines retarded twin wasn't doing it for them on the cover...

How does it feel to be set free from the confines of Texas' red-headed-step-child status only to lose to 2/3 good opponents down there in Dixie?

One of my coworkers is actually a Texas A&M grad. (Nuclear Engineering.) ;)
 
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Probably some of the worst play calling I have ever seen. Plus the crappy throw to the back of the endzone to wide open receiver over Teo. Then the obvious lack of catching ability on the last play of the game.

You see it as the best D in the league stuffing an offensive juggernaught, I see it as a good defense selling out on the run and a completely inept coach and quarterback who is not good.

sorry it was technically 0/6 if you dont count the penalty and the ensuing run to get them back inside the 5.... but either way

everyone craps on the play calling -- why? 2 fades on man coverage to your best player. ball is literally at the half yd line. you have a 6'4 240# qb who is 8 inches away from the endzone. ok doesnt work. would you expect them to do it again? i didnt, i thought they would run off the tackle. so they again try with their 6'4 qb to no avail. 3rd down, 9 out of 10 times you get play action here. you know it and i know it. they run between the guard and tackle absolutely crushed. 4th down. you call it lack of catching ability but watch the tape again. he has two guys in his face before he can throw. he then throws over another player off his back foot.

thats brilliant defense man -- brilliant. and play calling was not awful like you say it was. Throughout the game yes, on the 6 plays from the 4yd line -- no
 
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deliverance1.jpg


JohnnyManzielMugshot.jpg




LMAO!

Strongest resemblance, ever!

Can someone embed this? YouTube
 
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Not so impressive when it took a goal line stand to beat them without Barkley and terrible play calling.... And just for arguments sake I think you are wrong

USC would have still been down by a field goal if ND had given up a TD, so goal line stand or not we would have been up. USC never lead the game, they were never in control of the trenches, and they were a team with nothing to lose while Notre Dame was playing conservative as they have all season. When you're an offensively minded team it's a different perspective than when you're a defensive team and play to control the ball and grind out the clock. We only score quickly when it's required, like the Pittsburgh game.

As far as USC and A&M, I think it would be close, but I think USC has an edge offensively with the number of athletes they have and the skill players they start. Both teams have closely ranked defenses, but USC's got two WRs that are pretty impossible to defend together along with a QB in Barkley that puts up crazy stats like Johnny Football. Yeah, I completely understand I'm talking about a 7-5 USC team against an 10-2 A&M team, but 4 of USC's losses were to #4 Oregon, #1 ND, #17 UCLA, and at the time #21 Stanford. None of their losses were blowouts. Just as A&M's 2 losses came to Florida and LSU, I think USC is better than their record indicates.
 

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First- Stanford doesn't have a "D" in the middle. It's Stanford...not StanDford.

Second- who the fvck is JFF??????

Third- will this JFF person you speak of now be requesting Ned Beatty to squeal like pig?
 
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Awesome thanks man!

Night time.

BTW: JFF?

WTF?

Why the double "f?"

(Hot damn he throws a great spiral and picks a mean banjo!)
 

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This whole argument is really silly, and I don't know how it got so off track. The facts are that Manziel and Te'o are currently projected as the leaders for the award, nothing changes that fact. If you discount that either deserves the award, you obviously haven't watched either play this year. I fully expect Manziel to win given the recent trends with the award, but my personal feelings are that Te'o better exemplifies the award's criteria: "The outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity." My opinion doesn't count, however, and if the Heisman continues to honor the most outstanding offensive player they really should change the award's description.
 
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Even if the Heisman was for D players, I have a hard time differentiating Kevin Minter or Jarvis Jones from Te'o.

Again, just the best LB on an undefeated team.
 
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While I wouldn't be as blunt as ekinggill, the argument against Teo is pretty clear. This is pretty much what I have been reading from our end of the spectrum and why I wanted to come see if you guys have the same type of argument against Johnny. After what we have talked about it I think it would be fair to say that had Pitt kicked a field goal then Teo would no longer be in contention because he would no longer be "the best player on the best team" which is the main thing he has going for him.

I think the best thing Teo has going for him is the intangibles he does for the team and university. He has more character than anyone else in contention for the award and that is a big element of it. He also has a very compelling story aside from being on an undefeated team with a good defense. The guy has overcome more adversity this season and excelled (with mediocre stats) than most people will in a decade. The guy is a testament to all that is good in the world. He has done all this and overcome everything he has overcome while also being a fantastic student and leader on the field.

The argument for Johnny is purely stat driven. Well that and beating Bama at home.

Comparing them is obviously going to lead to disagreement. Your guy is sweet, so is ours.

Manti means a lot to ND fans because he represents the rebirth of this program. He came back rather than being a likely first round pick and look at what he's lead the team to.

I'm happy he's even in consideration to be honest. How often do defensive players get this kind of recognition? It's pretty cool despite what team you're a fan of. If it were a linebacker on your team you'd be arguing the same things we are.
 
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Even if the Heisman was for D players, I have a hard time differentiating Kevin Minter or Jarvis Jones from Te'o.

Again, just the best LB on an undefeated team.

I could sit here and say Johnny is a good quarter back who knocked off a #1 team, that's the only reason he gets so much love. I won't though because I actually respect that he's talented and deserves the recognition he is getting.

You refusing to do the same for Teo makes you look like a troll to be honest. If you can't see that his impact transcends stats then you know nothing about Notre Dame or college football. Not to mention his stats are pretty freaking good, 7 picks is crazy for a MLB.

You should be embarrassed that your candidate can't break this race wide open for how mediocre Teo is.... Oh wait, maybe he's pretty good and you're just being a biased clown.
 
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Watch the full interview.

Listen to this :: Manti Te’o’s Interview on The Jim Rome Radio Show | @MTeo_5 via @JimRome | TheOriginalWinger

Manti on Jim Rome... Jim Rome is speechless after the interview.

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Dealing with own grief, Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o comforts parents of dying girl - College Football News | FOX Sports on MSN

So you guys can come in here and talk about the amazing stats of Johnny and how mediocre Manti's stats are but you're missing the big picture. The award is about more than stats.... It's about stuff like this.
 
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Wow, I take a nap and the latest addition to the SEC has already developed an attitude equal to its cohorts.
 

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How about take Manziel away and add in a top ten draft pick senior QB. Its called 2011. It sucked.

We have lost to the number 3 and 6 team in the nation by an average of 4 points. Both times our kicker missed field goals that would have won it. Losses are losses but its not like we were out of our league.

In response to the first part of your post, I would say that the coaching change is actually the big difference between 2011 and 2012 for A&M.
 

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Ugh. There is an A&M fan that works at a deli I always go to in Ann Arbor. He saw my ND hat a couple weeks ago and said, after they knocked of 'bama, that "ND is average, and they really don't deserve to even be ranked where they are." Can you actually believe that this clown, working at an awesome Jewish deli in Ann Arbor, ON THE CLOCK, had the nerve to say that to me...

I was going to let it slide. But trollers here have made me think otherwise. How does Ag11 have so many reps anyway?
 

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I seriously do not understand why this whole "Teo to ND" thing is overplayed so much. Its not like Teo's faith drove him to play for Colorado or something. Mormanism and Catholicism are not all that different. He picked to go to one of the most storied franchises in the history of the sport that also happens to have a religious background.

Nobody is like "Tim Tebow gets bonus points for passing up Wheaton and attending Florida a major college program with pedigree that will likely lead him further down the road to both academic and athletic success"

I don't doubt Teo's sincerity but everyone acts like it was a big sacrifice to go to one of the most popular and academically sound universities in the nation.

Its like when Josh Hamilton is going to come out and say "the Lord is really calling me to Boston" and it just so happens to be the place that pays him the most money. Don't doubt his sincerity but its not like he is doing something outrageous.
 
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*picks up troll smashing club Wabash left behind.

Paces back and forth...
 
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I seriously do not understand why this whole "Teo to ND" thing is overplayed so much. Its not like Teo's faith drove him to play for Colorado or something. Mormanism and Catholicism are not all that different. He picked to go to one of the most storied franchises in the history of the sport that also happens to have a religious background.

Nobody is like "Tim Tebow gets bonus points for passing up Wheaton and attending Florida a major college program with pedigree that will likely lead him further down the road to both academic and athletic success"

I don't doubt Teo's sincerity but everyone acts like it was a big sacrifice to go to one of the most popular and academically sound universities in the nation.

Its like when Josh Hamilton is going to come out and say "the Lord is really calling me to Boston" and it just so happens to be the place that pays him the most money. Don't doubt his sincerity but its not like he is doing something outrageous.

Manti picking ND is <.01% of what makes him great. Did you actually listen to the interviews or read the articles posted above? Or are you just cherry picking the one thing you don't like?
 

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Ugh. There is an A&M fan that works at a deli I always go to in Ann Arbor. He saw my ND hat a couple weeks ago and said, after they knocked of 'bama, that "ND is average, and they really don't deserve to even be ranked where they are." Can you actually believe that this clown, working at an awesome Jewish deli in Ann Arbor, ON THE CLOCK, had the nerve to say that to me...

I was going to let it slide. But trollers here have made me think otherwise. How does Ag11 have so many reps anyway?

Lol at a ND fan complaining about t-shirt fans.
 

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I seriously do not understand why this whole "Teo to ND" thing is overplayed so much. Its not like Teo's faith drove him to play for Colorado or something. Mormanism and Catholicism are not all that different. He picked to go to one of the most storied franchises in the history of the sport that also happens to have a religious background.

Nobody is like "Tim Tebow gets bonus points for passing up Wheaton and attending Florida a major college program with pedigree that will likely lead him further down the road to both academic and athletic success"

I don't doubt Teo's sincerity but everyone acts like it was a big sacrifice to go to one of the most popular and academically sound universities in the nation.

Its like when Josh Hamilton is going to come out and say "the Lord is really calling me to Boston" and it just so happens to be the place that pays him the most money. Don't doubt his sincerity but its not like he is doing something outrageous.

It was a balance between playing football and holding true to his faith. ND was coming off a 6-6 season, and U$C was, well, U$C. They were legit. and Teo grew up a U$C fan. And he was a 5-star.

I don't really know where anyone said it was a sacrifice to come to ND. Everyone discussing his recruiting and his commitment to ND was speaking from a football perspective. And from a football perspective, it was a risky decision.

I don't think Teo asked for bonus points for coming to ND and the risks that were involved. I don't think anyone in the media has called for that either. Sure as sh** that Manziel shouldn't get bonus points for just being a freshman, but that actually seems WAYYYY more likely.
 
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Hey guys I was just browsing this board when I came across this thread and wanted to commend most of you for defending JFF's awesome season. I realize we both have our favorite player and support them for obvious reasons but I just wanted to point out a few things and get your thoughts.

First of Manti has had a hell of a year and is for sure a great leader. Hats off to him. Great story and seemingly great character guy. I am disappointed that I haven't gotten to watch more of him this year.


As far as JFF goes its important to notice that unlike Cam and Tebow he isn't all that big so goal line carries are not his specialty. Most all his rushing touchdowns come from farther then 10 yards out. If you look at the stats from LSU, Florida, Bama etc you can see that our RBs get the carries inside the 5. Are you really going to hold that against Johnny in the Heisman talks because his TD totals are down in those games? Heck if our kicker makes half his field goals and all his extra points in those games we are undefeated this year.

As far as the interceptions against LSU its obvious that most people didn't watch the game. One of them literally hit a receiver in the hip in stride and then bounced high in the air for the int. Another was a last minute fourth down "punt" that should have been batted down if the defender was smart.

JFF has more TD's in his last two games then Teo has tackles... Its hard to argue with that. I understand that Teo is an emotional leader but that is hard to quantify. After watching your game yesterday it would be hard for me to say Teo is even the best defensive player on your team (which is a complement to just how good your defense is)

But that is just my opinion and Im sure its biased towards my candidate. Its just hard to argue for a guy like Teo whose value transcends impressive but not outstanding stats against a guy who breaks Tebow/Cams record in fewer games. And did I mention that he has sat out at least 7 quarters of football this year. But thats my argument. Im sure you guys have more important things to think about right now though and I respect that.


tl;dr I respect Teo and what he has done on this great run for you guys but feel Johnny should and will win the Heisman.

Go watch more of him.

Honestly, I can't get over Manziel's arrest. That was THIS YEAR.

Next thing you're going to do is say, what kid doesn't drink in college? It's normal and it shouldn't matter.

Well I'll tell you who doesn't, Manti. The kid is not normal. He is anything but normal. He probably won't win the Heisman and that's fine. Playing for and winning (hopefully) a NC is more important than the Heisman.

But you should at least watch some of the stuff that people are all excited about and willing to vote him for Heisman over. Maybe there is something to all of it....
 
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