To all Brady Quinn critics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[iowadomer]

I just want people to read the following points to see if they agree or disagree.

1. Now that Shelton is 100% the deep threat will be there. It takes both a QB and a receiver to establish this. They must have confidence in one another and be on the same page, and we all know what Brady and Matt did last year.

2. He is reading through his progressions extremely well, you can see how if his #1 or #2 isn't open it is option #3.

3. He has only had the playbook for 9 months now gentlemen. He is still learning a new offense and how his coach calls a game. Ask Tom Brady how important it is for a QB and his coach to be on the same page, I think it worked out rather well.

4. After getting very little coaching on technique and scheme the last two years it was necessary for Charlie to break him down and build him back up. This is going to be a long process but come on the guy has a ton of talent and it is on display.

5. When he was carving up Pitt and was carving up the Michigan on the first drive there probably wasn't a lot of you being real critical of him.

6. 2-0, PERIOD!

Last but not least, I am not saying as fans that you can not be critical. There is some great insight on here and it is true that Brady has not exactly been stellar on the deep balls. I do not think he is Heisman material, YET, but he will be. I think Brady will tell you that.

But you have to know that his teammates have seen him take an a@@ wooping over the last two years. Getting off the ground repeatly, but staying in. They believe in him, his toughness, his maturity, and most of all the fact that HE IS THEIR LEADER.


LIFES A GAME OF INCHES.............
'IT'S THE GUY SITTING NEXT TO YOU, LOOK INTO HIS EYES, I THINK YOU GOING TO SEE A GUY WHO WILL GO THAT INCH FOR YA'(insert Paccino's voice)

Even I have to admitt that was a pretty cool speach!

 

[BGIF]

" ... I do not think he is Heisman material, YET,..."

Well I think he is, so stop being so critical.

If he hits those open receivers so they don't have to break stride, leap, and reach behind them he will have monster days. That's got nothing to do with the play book or your other points.


"5. When he was carving up Pitt and was carving up the Michigan on the first drive there probably wasn't a lot of you being real critical of him."


Ahem, he was 5/6 for 40 yds on the first drive. Do you remember the sole incompletion? The pass was high and behind a wide open Samardzija like too many he threw last Saturday.

Did you realize that the only other possession that had more than 2 completions (per the UND.com drive chart) was the other TD drive when Brady was 4/6 for 24 yards. Samardzija's great catch of a deflected ball was thrown - behind him (not vertically behind but horizontally as he was running across the end zone). Yes, it's a game of inches, had it not been deflected it would not have been a reception for a TD. Watch the game tape.

BTW, those are observations, Weis and Vaas handle the critique that matters and they have already discussed those and a whole lot more with Brady and provided him instruction to improve performance.

 

[LuckoftheIrish86]

I think this year will get him noticed and his senior season he will make quite a run for the Heisman.

 

[Aerosmith777]

yeah, i agree w/ all of it, I just think he needs to execute better than we saw in that Michigan game. He missed a lot of open recievers. Definately a great team leader though, I agree w/ the way he's just stood in there in the pocket the past 2 seasons and taken a lot of abuse for it. I think he'll be fine and will improve as the season progresses (which is why I agree that next year is the year he'll make the push for the Heisman), but he's not Tom Brady just yet.

 

[jiggafini19]

The Sporting News has him as #4 in their Heisman watch. Completely insane.

The purpose of this offense is going to be about execution and results. That said, I would not exepct any offensive players on ND to put up monster, Pac 10 or WAC type numbers. What they will do is win.

Talking about a Heisman for Brady Quinn would be like me trying to kick field goals without a holder. PERSPECTIVE!!! If he lays eggs against Purdue and SC, it won't matter.

Quinn will make plays. Quinn will not make many mistakes. Quinn will win games this year and have good stat lines in Sunday morning's paper. There is too much football left to be played to start analyzing players and considering awards and accomplishments.

One game at a time. They can't beat SC before the take care of MSU, UW and Purdon't.

 

[BGIF]

Talking about a Heisman for Brady Quinn would be like me trying to kick field goals without a holder.

You're the only one talking a Heisman for Brady Quinn.

PERSPECTIVE!!!

READING COMPREHENSION!!!



Iowadomer noted, "I do not think he is Heisman material, YET, but he will be."

BGIF responded to that point, "Well I think he is, so stop being so critical."

LuckoftheIrish added, "I think this year will get him noticed and his senior season he will make quite a run for the Heisman.'

Aerosmith concurred, " ... I agree that next year is the year he'll make the push for the Heisman."


I don't see any of those four posts as touting Quinn for Heisman '05.

Heisman "material" doesn't mean Heisman "contender".

But with better consistency he could be.

Quinn has gone through an extraordinary metamorphosis. He was battered and inadequately coached in the past. He's always been a leader. He's had to learn a new offensive scheme and thought process and he's responded well. His technique is better, his reads are better, his execution is better. But he still needs to improve consistency.

My comment to Iowadomer, "so stop being so critical" was tongue in cheek as his thread was addressed to critics and then he critiqued. Quinn's got a QB Efficiency Rating of 138, one of the highest I recall for an ND QB but it's not among the top rated QBs. Quinn had something like 47% completion as a freshman, 54% as a soph, and now's he's up to 65%. Yes, I know it's only two games, but he wasn't throwing against Kent State or The Citadel, was he?

Quinn could easily be at 75%, the difference is only 6 receptions. He's thrown 4 TDs versus 1 int. A significant improvement over his first two years. One of the factors in the QB Rating is yards/catch. You don't have to throw the ball 40 yards downfield the receivers can get all those yards after the catch like Walker's 51 yd screen pass.

Hitting Samardzija in stride on the opening drive is a play that makes for monster days and breaks games open. While you refer to PAC 10 and WAC type numbers, I'll refer to ND numbers. Theisman has the All-Time most productive day with 526 yds. Hanratty is a distance second with 366. Quinn with Weis and this receiving corps can hit those numbers if necessary.

I don't think any of us confuse Weis offense with Spurrier's pass till they pass out then pass some more. Weis isn't going to roll up 600 yds and 70 points to crush a Vanderbilt. But 70 points will be the goal if USC has 69.


And as for your place kicking without a holder prowess, I recall Charlie Brown preferred to kick without a holder because Lucy used to take the ball away as he approached.

 

[LuckoftheIrish86]

lol i love the charlie Brown mention

 

[jiggafini19]

I think this year will get him noticed and his senior season he will make quite a run for the Heisman.

They're 2-0 THIS year. So we're talking Heisman next year already? Based on 2 games this year? And TSN has him on their Heisman watch. Relax, folks. The kid won both games this year. He now has a winning record as a starting QB. Would it be safe to say that we're overanalyzing this guy a bit too early? We'll know exactly what kind of team they have after the USC game, perhaps even before that. If they were 0-2, this conversation would be completely on the other end of the spectrum. Just keep it in perspective. That's all I'm saying here.

If anyone is talking Heisman for The Mighty Quinn, it surely isn't me. I'm confused as to why I'm using the word in a post when it is mid-September. The numbers he projects to have after 11 games are very good, but they're not going to get him any individual awards...but the Sears crystal football would sure look nice. ND numbers won't win a Heisman. Alex Smith and Matt Leinart numbers usually do. They're inflated because coaches run up the score against very weak secondaries (see any team in Moutain or West time zones) or have no running game (anyone under The Visor at Florida).

As long as he wins games and makes plays, they could put a cardboard Burger King crown on his head and called him Ty Detmer, I wouldn't really care. It is way too early to start disecting this guy's performance. See you in a month, then again in another month.

But the Charlie Brown line was funny.

So is talking about the Heisman, this year or next.

Michigan State is in five hours. Get 'er done, Irish.

 

[jiggafini19]

Quinn could easily be at 75%,

"You are what you are", said some guy.

 

[jiggafini19]

More games like yesterday (only with defense) and I might end up eating crow on this.

Could end up being the best ND has had. He's only going to get better as the year goes on.

 

[LuckoftheIrish86]

I usually try and keep things in perspective and I know mentioning Quinn for Heisman in 2006 is premature but its a message board, thats what we are here for to discuss!

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

I usually try and keep things in perspective and I know mentioning Quinn for Heisman in 2006 is premature but its a message board, thats what we are here for to discuss!

Yea, Heisman talk is fun. We haven't had much of that recently. Quinn really needs to work on his accuracy throwing the ball down field. He's just too inconsistent on the deep post, cross in and corner routes.

 

[jiggafini19]

Not a lot of mistakes. The pick against MSU hurt badly. Otherwise, Quinn doesn't turn the ball over too much.

Samardzija and Fasano certainly make life easy on a QB.