Ty, again

[Rip Rap]

The wheels are off the machine in Seattle:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/209001_miller22.html

Things are going very badly there right now.

 

[nayers]

my favorite part came at the end when he says
'Why are they worried?" Willingham said. "We seem to want everything to happen right now, at this moment. I want to make sure we do things right."

ahhh yah think? some guys never learn...he has the coaching mentallity of a high school coach and not like one who is at a "big time" school. Him not "rolling up his sleves" when it comes to recruiting actually makes me feel much better for him not being here. Of coarse they want to win. Do you think someone who walks up throws there hard earned benjamins down to get into a game wants to see them lose?

I know... why dont i prove all my critics right by performing pathetically and by losing games. I mean it's not like we want to win NOW

 

[Rip Rap]

Also, two or three OC candidates turned him down already. Nobody wants to work with him, which shows what other coaches think of the guy. I believe he approached Simon from the Baltimore Ravens, and Crowton (formerly of BYU), and is now going after Hackett. Eeesh. They're in serious denial right now, the bargaining phase will begin soon, and then anger and severe depression.

Great post from the Washington board by a guy named Shangsta; It made me laugh:

Re: Rumor has it that Bill Simon might be next OC
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people like to call baer a mediocre DC but he has some good coaches around him in tormey, hart - and yes the jury is out on Wilkes.

Head Coach: Tyrone Willingham
Offensive Coordinator: ???
Defensive Coordinator: Kent Baer
Quarterbacks Coach: ???
Runningbacks Coach: ???
Recievers Coach: ???
Tight End Coach: (Denbrock coached it for ND last year, we'll see)
Offensive Line Coach: Mike Denbrock
Defensive Line Coach: Randy Hart
Linebackers Coach: Chris Tormey
Defensive Backs Coach: Mike Wilkes
Special Teams Coach : ???

Looks good so far, none of these coaches are flatout losers (ie diedrick)

 

[Guest]

Hackett!!! Don't go there Ty. That guy is another Bill Deidrick. Those two are friggin clones.

I hear Hackett is going to Tampa Bay to be the QB coach. Gruden and him met yesterday about it.

It amazes me how guys like Hackett can stay around this long in football....Man did the NY media kill that guy, he was exposed big time here.

 

[bmf175]

Looks good so far? Oh yeah it looks great.... except for the fact that he doesnt have a complete coaching staff yet. Or the fact that nobody wants to work for him.
Maybe people are realizing that he was fired for a reason at ND and ND picked up alot of unjustified heat from the sports casting world. They've seen Ty play the "innocent man" or "the victim" and see him not as admirable as once everybody thought he was.
Nobody can argue in favor of Ty being a good coach.(well they can, but it would not be a invalid arguement)

 

[Guest]

I see washington now has 8 commits. Mostly nobody's,but at least he's getting bodies in there. Some JUCOS, so they won't be there long.

 

[irishtexan]

jesus, how did ty get to coach notre dame? he is so lazy when it comes to recruiting. i actually feel bad for the husky fans because they have no idea the sh*t storm they are in. how the hell can he tell people not to worry when noone will work with him.?

 

[seIRISH]

jesus, how did ty get to coach notre dame? he is so lazy when it comes to recruiting. i actually feel bad for the husky fans because they have no idea the sh*t storm they are in. how the hell can he tell people not to worry when noone will work with him.?

He got to coach them because O'leary lied.The media was bashing them.So they went for the best choice to make everyone get off their back but maybe not the best coach.After they hired TY no one could say anything bad and everyone forgot about O'leary.In that way I do fell sorry for TY because I think ND used him a bit.

 

[irishgo8]

It is being proven over and over again that Willingham was not ready to become a head coach and that FIRING ty wasnt the wrong thing ND did - it was HIRING ty. I mean can it be any clearer?

 

[Rip Rap]

I am relishing every moment of this.
http://mb13.scout.com/fdawgmanfrm1.showMessage?topicID=37608.topic

Another post from the Husky board:

Willingham killed 1st recruiting class
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With the program already hurting from a poor season and very limited direction Willingham needed to come in and hit a home run. That is not going to happen. If you are an offensive player wouldn't you want to know what type of offense they were going to run. Hint hire an OC it doesnt take 2 months to get the right person in. Many coaches have already said no to him even with UW ties, not good.

With a limited number of scholarships this year and next he needed to find the best athletes to what type of system both on offense and defense, again no OC. You can't throw away this year or next and say he is getting the pieces put in place. He won't be around in 4-5 years if he goes 3-8 5-6 seasons.

Coaches can only see so many kids in a day because of travel, he needed to be fully staffed. LSU, OK State, Stanford, Utah, Florida and it goes on they all have full staffs and they all hired their head coach after Willingham was hired. I will be surprised if he pulls anything out this recruiting season. Won't go 1-10 next year but a couple of 4-7 seasons are knocking on the door.

Also:

Re: How did he KILL this class
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Don't think he killed this class but he also hasn't done much to improve it either as best we know. Some schools are now having to rescind offers to three star players due to being full or so close that they must hold something open for highly recruited players that have them in their top two or close.

I also know that Frank Solich who was hired at Ohio at about the same time that UW hire Ty has a full staff, something like 19 commits and took a week off to coach for the Hula bowl.

Next year we will know after a full year to recruit.

 

[Irish Envy]

LOL... I think Ty is off his rocker. I really do.

 

[irishgo8]

The Washington and Ty boats r sinking deeper every minute. I mean they rnt Lyght any more

 

[NDLyght37]

Wow...irish called me out like this was pro wrasslin'.

Personally, I'm patient with what he's doing...then again, I'm not a rabid Husky fan who's had to endure what they've been through the last few seasons.

I don't think the recruiting is as big a deal as not having a staff in place, since they have some talent already on the squad (especially at QB...3 guys who could be legit starters).

But, like Pops Lyght always used to say, "if you don't take the time to do it right, when are you going to find the time to fix it?".

 

[Guest]

If I had one word to describe Ty it would be, LAZY.

He just doesn't work hard, he didn't work hard at ND.

Take Lorig for example, Weis has gotten him to visit this weekend, I remember reading months ago Lorig say that Ty had just stop calling him, while Tedford and Carroll were calling him once a week.

He just gave up on Lorig, Weis didn't give up on Lorig and now he's visiting.

 

[bmf175]

Pops Lyght sounds like a good man.....Ty Willingham sounds like a jack ass....a very lazy jack ass who nobody wantgs to work with

 

[NDLyght37]

Pops Lyght sounds like a good man.....Ty Willingham sounds like a jack ass....a very lazy jack ass who nobody wants to work with

Yeah, Pops is the man. A military man + a southern preacher = a good man.

As for Ty, obviously I don't think he's a jack-@$$. I don't even think that people in the industry that don't think he's a good coach think that he's a bad guy.

But yeah, this does appear lazy...lazy like a fox. OK, maybe not; but I do think he's got a plan of how he wants to run his program. My big beef with him is that he doesn't have a staff in place. But maybe he's holding out for a Jimmy Mora Jr.-type. The problem is, there aren't too many coaches who are that good, that young, that disciplined, and that cool.

 

[bmf175]

Well I guess we will have to see what his plan will be.

I think overall he is widely recognized as a "good guy"....But being a good guy doesnt win football games, it doesnt provide you job security, it doesnt mean recruits are going to commit to your program with no effort from you, and it sure as hell doesnt mean you are a good coach.

Ill give him another month and we'll have to see what this great plan is. Oh yeah a reminder..... NAtional signing day for ncaa is next week, hopefully he has a plan for that day. because if not there will be some head hunters walking around UW campus

 

[irishgo8]

Yeah, Pops is the man. A military man + a southern preacher = a good man.

As for Ty, obviously I don't think he's a jack-@$$. I don't even think that people in the industry that don't think he's a good coach think that he's a bad guy.

But yeah, this does appear lazy...lazy like a fox. OK, maybe not; but I do think he's got a plan of how he wants to run his program. My big beef with him is that he doesn't have a staff in place. But maybe he's holding out for a Jimmy Mora Jr.-type. The problem is, there aren't too many coaches who are that good, that young, that disciplined, and that cool.

Lets Debate again lol (LDAL) Ty is the laziest jackass i have ever seen coaching. I mean there were probably others but his color has kept him his job. I like Bob Davie but i agree he didnt do his job. Ty was the same and because of his color he is still a head coach but davie is writing at ESPN trying to explain to the idiots there how to play football lol.

 

[Rip Rap]

Lets Debate again lol (LDAL) Ty is the laziest jackass i have ever seen coaching. I mean there were probably others but his color has kept him his job. I like Bob Davie but i agree he didnt do his job. Ty was the same and because of his color he is still a head coach but davie is writing at ESPN trying to explain to the idiots there how to play football lol.

Willingham didn't keep his job. There is evidence that he is lazy, but a jackass? You had better back that up. If Davie really wanted a job, he could get one. That Davie hasn't indicates to me that he knows-deep down inside-that he was a failure and would be again.

I do agree that Willingham is a statistically average coach who was otherwise transformed into a saint and martyr because he was a black. No white coach with his record would have ever been treated like a top-tier coach. I want to see Willingham outright fail at Washington for precisely that reason, and early indications are that he will fail.

There is also a tremendous media bias-particularly from Disney (ESPN)-criticising everything Notre Dame does while aggrandizing Ty Willingham's every move. The media is making people dumber and fueling racist sentiment by continuing to argue that Ty Willingham was a great coach. At this point, I honestly feel beating him will be likened to racism by ESPN. I also believe anti-Catholic sentiment has creeped into ESPN's criticisms of the school's actions. Humorously, Wilbon is the greatest offender, followed by that asswipe 'alum' Aaron Taylor.

But your post is drivel for precisely the same reason. Don't bring race into it.

 

[irishgo8]

Willingham didn't keep his job. There is evidence that he is lazy, but a jackass? You had better back that up. If Davie really wanted a job, he could get one. That Davie hasn't indicates to me that he knows-deep down inside-that he was a failure and would be again.

I do agree that Willingham is a statistically average coach who was otherwise transformed into a saint and martyr because he was a black. No white coach with his record would have ever been treated like a top-tier coach. I want to see Willingham outright fail at Washington for precisely that reason, and early indications are that he will fail.

There is also a tremendous media bias-particularly from Disney (ESPN)-criticising everything Notre Dame does while aggrandizing Ty Willingham's every move. The media is making people dumber and fueling racist sentiment by continuing to argue that Ty Willingham was a great coach. At this point, I honestly feel beating him will be likened to racism by ESPN. I also believe anti-Catholic sentiment has creeped into ESPN's criticisms of the school's actions. Humorously, Wilbon is the greatest offender, followed by that asswipe 'alum' Aaron Taylor.

But your post is drivel for precisely the same reason. Don't bring race into it.

Ok first of all wew cant believe ive another rival (Lyghts got first nayers is tied for first)

lol

but i mean who would hire davie? Show me one school that has contacted him and/or said they are interested. Ty was called AT NOTRE DAME with that same record as ole davie. It is obviously racism concerened tin the matter

 

[Rip Rap]

Ok first of all wew cant believe ive another rival (Lyghts got first nayers is tied for first)

lol

but i mean who would hire davie? Show me one school that has contacted him and/or said they are interested. Ty was called AT NOTRE DAME with that same record as ole davie. It is obviously racism concerened tin the matter

Davie has not seriously tried to get a job. For the love of God, Ogeron is a head coach now! If he really wanted to, Davie could work his way back up. But he would have to be successful, and he wouldn't be.

Yes, Ty Willingham was a PC hire. More importantly, he was the head coach of Monk Malloy's personal rival, Stanford University. Malloy handled the hiring directly, remember? He assumed direct control over football. This was all his call.

EDIT: PS, Learn to spell and construct sentences.

 

[NDLyght37]

Hmmm...I hate to do it, irish my friend...but you leave me no choice.

Are you saying the only reason Ty has a job is because he's Black? If that's the case, why are there only 3 D-I minority coaches? I think it has less to do with his skin color and more to do with his character. Ty's a stand-up guy and a solid coach. Whereas Davie appeared to be a solid coach who was a jerk. The fact that Willingham was African-American was a "bonus". The big thing is that he was an honest man...unlike "Father O'Leary".

And Rap, I love Wilbon (and Kornheiser). I don't always agree with them, but I think they say what a lot of folks are thinking.

 

[Rip Rap]

Hmmm...I hate to do it, irish my friend...but you leave me no choice.

Are you saying the only reason Ty has a job is because he's Black? If that's the case, why are there only 3 D-I minority coaches? I think it has less to do with his skin color and more to do with his character. Ty's a stand-up guy and a solid coach. Whereas Davie appeared to be a solid coach who was a jerk. The fact that Willingham was African-American was a "bonus". The big thing is that he was an honest man...unlike "Father O'Leary".

And Rap, I love Wilbon (and Kornheiser). I don't always agree with them, but I think they say waht a lot of folks are thinking.

I really think Willingham was hired because he was the head coach of our supposed academic rival. His being black, in Rev. Malloy's eyes, probably looked good too.

The problem with the media is that they hardly ever say what people actually think. More often, they say what they want you to believe, particularly if it will fuel sensationalist journalism at a later date.

That is why the media will amplify everything that happens, good and bad: To make the resultant condition seem more extreme than it actually is, and sell more of their product in the process.

 

[NDLyght37]

I totally agree with you on the way the media can "create" or amplify a story to serve their own needs.

But I don't think the PTI guys do that. They just say what people are talking about in bars & homes and arenas around the country. The good thing is that WIlbon & Kornheiser balance each other out. I guess North-Eastern old, Jewish man + Mid-Western Black guy = "The Purple States".

 

[bmf175]

Well first an insult or a put down is going to be subjective and 20 different people can take the context of a word 20 different ways, the only person that would be correct is the person that made the statement, because only he knows what he was trying to imply before it becomes distorted by others opinions or lack of comprhension.
When I say Ty is a jack ass. I am saying it becuase a smart div I head Coach does not become lazy in the most important part of the recruiting season. A smart coach does not wait this long to hire a staff, I would understand if he was missing some position coaches but a coordinator? thats a bit much. The lack of a coordinator , to me, means it would hurt recruiting.
Therefore It is my personal opinion that Ty is indeed a JACK ASS. Not to mention he was fired for not coaching up to standard.

But i do agree with all the comments about the media.

 

[NDLyght37]

Fair points...but Jack-@$$???

Bob Huggins is a Jack-@$$, even Steve Spurrier was a Jack-@$$. But I don't think Willingham was/is in that category. I don't think a guy that classy can be a Jack-@$$.

 

[bmf175]

whats with the link?

 

[NDLyght37]

whats with the link?

My bad, bro. It's not a link. But I think the computer automatically wants to go into link-mode when it sees the "@".

 

[irishgo8]

Hmmm...I hate to do it, irish my friend...but you leave me no choice..

Hate to do it! Is there any thread we haven't been debating on. LOL.

If that's the case, why are there only 3 D-I minority coaches?

Because as I have said before there aren't enough to hire and not take a chance. With so few black coaches you can't take a chance because if you do and it doesnt work out then look what ESPN will do to you. You have to wait until he is solidly proven as a GREAT assistant coach before you hire him as a head coach. Thats the reason Ty is failing. He was made a head coach WAY too soon and maybe should have never been a head coach. But i will tell you in a few years there will be one more black head coach out in a D-1 head coaching job. I think you already know his name.

Are you saying the only reason Ty has a job is because he's Black?

No but it has ALOT to do with the matter - I would say it is about 60-70% of the reason he has a job. Look at Ron Zook - he was a better recruiter - in fact one of the best recruiters in the nation and was one of the last coaches to be hired. If i remember right it took Ty 2 weeks to find a job and it took Zook about 3-4 months.

I think it has less to do with his skin color and more to do with his character. Ty's a stand-up guy and a solid coach.

I personally hated his character in press interviews, on the sidelines, etc. If you want more info ill write back again because I think it is pretty obvious that not all of us liked his character.

Wereas Davie appeared to be a solid coach who was a jerk. The fact that Willingham was African-American was a "bonus". The big thing is that he was an honest man...unlike "Father O'Leary"..

Davie was not a jerk. He recruited better than Ty but wasnt a good devoloping coach. George O'Leary was a solid coach and would have been hired by ND even without playing on the football team or whatever was wrong on his resume. Just a stupid mistake.

 

[bmf175]

you know what lyght.. I am actually starting to understand your arguement alittle more, but the only part of your arguement I can not find validity to is that Ty is a "solid coach", its just not true.
But i guess it has to do with what you consider "solid". in no way does he fall into the "solid coach" area for me. (and im guessing a lot of other people, including the people that fired him)