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GRAPEVINE, Texas -- The NCAA approved the first phase of a landmark academic reform package Monday under which about 30 percent of Division I football teams would have lost scholarships had it been implemented immediately.

On the last day of the NCAA convention, the Division I Board of Directors approved the Academic Progress Rate (APR), the standard teams in every sport must reach beginning in the 2005-06 school year to avoid scholarship reductions.

Schools will receive warning reports in the next few weeks that let them know which of their teams fall below the APR set by the Division I Committee on Academic Performance. The rate is based roughly on a 50-percent graduation rate over a five-year period.

The Academic Performance Program applies to every men's and women's sport -- more than 5,000 teams at the 325 Division I schools.

University of Hartford president and committee chairman Walter Harrison said the biggest problems were in football (about 30 percent of teams), baseball (25 percent) and men's basketball (20 percent).

"Our hope, of course, is not the penalty," Harrison said. "We hope it encourages different kinds of behavior so that the numbers will be lower."

The so-called "contemporaneous penalties" are considered rehabilitative in nature and expected to serve as warnings for teams with poor academic performance. Such penalties could begin after December 2005.

Another phase of the program will be historical penalties, which will be more severe and directed at schools with continued problems. Harrison's committee is still working on the penalties, and they will have to be approved by NCAA directors later.

Kansas chancellor Robert Hemenway, the chairman of the NCAA board, said the board has already endorsed those tougher penalties.

Academic reform has been a centerpiece issue for Myles Brand since he became NCAA president two years ago. In his state of the association address Saturday, he said the measures "will change the culture of college sports."

The APR will be based on the number of student-athletes on each team who achieve eligibility and return to campus full-time each term. There will also be a longer-term graduation success rate.

Beginning next fall, teams that fall under a minimum APR will lose scholarships when players who are academically ineligible leave the school. Such scholarships can't be re-awarded for a year.

"This is a very strong standard," Brand said Monday. "Implementing these rules is taking a position to reinforce the idea that student-athletes are students first and are expected to make continued progress toward graduation."

The committee did put a 10-percent cap on the number of scholarships teams could lose.

Based on 85 total scholarships, I-A football teams could lose no more than nine scholarships in any one year. Both men's and women's basketball could only lose up to two scholarships.

Teams that continue to have problems will be subject to the more severe penalties once the "historical penalties" are put into place.

Consecutive years of falling below certain academic standards would lead to recruiting and further scholarship restrictions. A third straight year could lead to being banned from preseason or postseason games, and a fourth would affect Division I membership status.

"Certainly, our hope is that would be a strong enough penalty that no one would ever reach that plateau," Harrison said.

URL: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=1964069
 
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Key points of the Academic Performance Program
  • The Academic Progress Rate (APR) is based roughly on a 50-percent graduation rate over a five-year period.
  • The APR will be based on the number of student-athletes on each team who achieve eligibility and return to campus full-time each term.
  • The program applies to every men's and women's sport.
  • Teams that fall under a minimum APR will lose scholarships when players who are academically ineligible leave the school.
  • Confiscated scholarships can't be re-awarded for a year.
  • There is a 10-percent cap on the number of scholarships teams could lose.
  • "Historical penalties" will be more severe and directed at schools with continued problems; they are yet to be approved.
  • Consecutive years of falling below certain academic standards would lead to recruiting and further scholarship restrictions. A third straight year could lead to being banned from preseason or postseason games, and a fourth would affect Division I membership status.
 

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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA...

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Man, it is going to be funny watching some programs start having kids taking Coaching 101 with Jimmy Harrick, Jr. 30 percent of Division I football teams would have lost scholarships... LMAO!
 

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Svoboda said:
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA...

* Takes a quick breather *

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Man, it is going to be funny watching some programs start having kids taking Coaching 101 with Jimmy Harrick, Jr. 30 percent of Division I football teams would have lost scholarships... LMAO!

This is great news! 30% of teams are graduating less than half of their players?!? Finally...somebody is taking some action against the football factories!
 

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This will have parents thinking twice about sending their kids to Miami, FSU, UoF, VT and so on.
 
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well Espn you are about to see how differant ND really is .You said they were just about football when they fired their coach just like everyone else.This is the reason you have to be an ND fan.They never had to be told that this was important.It was always expected.If you get a chance there was an interview with roscoe parish on Espn about him going to the draft.That is a perfect example.
 

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its about time something is done like this. this happening reminds me of a liitle known line backer from ohio state named andy katzenmoyer. you guys remember him? he was all hyped up to be this freakin monster and he went pro and turned into brian bosworth. i remember him telling the press he only went to college to go to the nfl. he didnt get his education. i wonder what team has him now. is he even still playing?
 

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irishtexan said:
its about time something is done like this. this happening reminds me of a liitle known line backer from ohio state named andy katzenmoyer. you guys remember him? he was all hyped up to be this freakin monster and he went pro and turned into brian bosworth. i remember him telling the press he only went to college to go to the nfl. he didnt get his education. i wonder what team has him now. is he even still playing?
He was a beast and would have been in the NFL too IMO.

I believe in his 2nd year he suffered a serious neck injury and decided to return during that offseason due to "lack of desire," but I remember reading he was afraid of re-injury and that the injury took away his fearless mentality.
 
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Katz GPA in college and list of classes he took was laughable. Read an article about it in SI a long time ago.
 

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Well this will make a rutgers or mac team have more hope of unbeaten seasons then they have now - OSU will be the first i think to suffer from this - although knowing them they will probably lie about it so that they get themselves in a deeper mess
 

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Man, I'd like to see that list of teams that are red flagged. 30% of all teams would be what, 30-36 teams. Yikes... and you know they are mostly big time programs I would imagine.
 

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Graduation Rates: From the most recent batch of graduation rates available from the NCAA report released in 2003, the rate was divided by ten for a score. For example, Bowling Green's most recently released graduation rate for football players was 42%, so it gets a score of 4.2.

When the football class graduation rate isn't available, the four-year rate is used. When that's unavailable, the overall male student-athlete rate is used. One important note, the NCAA looks at whole classes, so a team's graduation rate might not always be indicative of what the current coaching staff is responsible for.

Why this is important: After all, these are supposed to be student-athletes out there playing. This is a good indicator for how much emphasis a program places on academics
rather than simply using the football players for their on-the-field talents.

1 Boston College 9.5
2 Notre Dame 9.2
3 Vanderbilt 9.1
4 Navy 8.7
5 Penn State 8.6
5 Wake Forest 8.6
7 Army 8.5
8 Rice 8.3
8 Duke 8.3
10 Stanford 8.2
11 Northwestern 8.1
12 Air Force 7.9
12 Tulane 7.9
14 Clemson 7.8
15 Western Michigan 7.6
16 TCU 7.5
16 Southern Miss 7.5
16 Indiana 7.5
16 Utah State 7.5
16 Baylor 7.5
16 Tulsa 7.5
22 Wisconsin 7.3
23 Ball State 7.2
24 East Carolina 7
25 Florida 6.9
26 Auburn 6.8
26 Kent State 6.8
28 Georgia 6.7
28 Washington 6.7
28 Toledo 6.7
28 Hawaii 6.7
28 Rutgers 6.7
33 Oklahoma 6.5
33 Kansas State 6.5
33 Virginia 6.5
33 Mississippi State 6.5
37 Virginia Tech 6.4
37 Syracuse 6.4
37 San Diego State 6.4
40 Nevada 6.2
40 Louisiana Monroe 6.2
42 UCLA 6.1
42 Connecticut 6.1
42 Central Michigan 6.1
45 Washington St 6
45 Texas Tech 6
45 Louisiana Tech 6
45 SMU 6
49 Florida State 5.9
49 Nebraska 5.9
49 Iowa State 5.9
49 Ohio 5.9
53 Georgia Tech 5.7
53 Purdue 5.7
53 Louisiana Lafayette 5.7
56 Texas A&M 5.6
57 Miami (Fla.) 5.5
57 Boise State 5.5
57 Eastern Michigan 5.5
60 Arizona State 5.4
60 Buffalo 5.4
62 Maryland 5.3
62 Colorado 5.3
62 Miami Univ. 5.3
62 Michigan State 5.3
62 Houston 5.3
67 Ohio State 5
67 Michigan 5
67 Oregon 5
67 Alabama 5
67 Marshall 5
67 Oregon State 5
67 New Mexico 5
67 UAB 5
67 New Mexico State 5
67 Troy State 5
77 Tennessee 4.7
78 South Florida 4.6
78 Cincinnati 4.6
78 UTEP 4.6
81 USC 4.5
82 Arkansas 4.4
82 North Carolina St 4.4
82 California 4.4
82 Missouri 4.4
82 Idaho 4.4
87 Akron 4.3
88 Bowling Green 4.2
89 Memphis 4.1
90 Iowa 3.8
90 Kansas 3.8
92 South Carolina 3.7
93 Utah 3.6
94 Louisville 3.5
94 Northern Illinois 3.5
94 Oklahoma St 3.5
94 North Carolina 3.5
94 UNLV 3.5
99 Fresno State 3.3
99 West Virginia 3.3
99 Illinois 3.3
99 Arizona 3.3
103 Arkansas State 3.1
104 Minnesota 3
104 North Texas 3
104 Temple 3
107 LSU 2.9
107 UCF 2.9
109 San Jose State 2.7
109 Wyoming 2.7
111 Colorado State 2.6
112 Kentucky 2.4
113 Mississippi 2.3
114 Texas 1.9
114 MTSU 1.9
116 Pittsburgh 1.6
117 BYU 1.2

URL: http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2004/Preview/ProgramRankings_GraduationRates.htm
 

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Did I read that right? BYU in last place with a 1.2?

So, they only graduated 12% of their football players?

What a disgrace! :confused:
 

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Did I read that right? BYU in last place with a 1.2?

So, they only graduated 12% of their football players?

What a disgrace! :confused:
It's funny. Isn't a condition for graduation that you have to complete a semester as a missionary? Could be a big reason.
 
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BYU is a freakin disgrace, they have 23 and 24 year olds and older on there team which isnt fair.
There really into that morman stuff, but my question is why do there guys get breaks and play tilll there 50, while at ND you can take missionary's, ( althought you never see a player do that sort of thing) and they get no breaks. Just another flippin disadvantage for us.

Just that much sweeter when we win !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I've always heard Pitt is really low.

Can't wait for the changes.

I've always felt that schools like ND should be rewarded for there graduation rates while schools like FSU should be penalized for there lacking graduation rates.

How about a rule that gives
ND a few extra commits each year because of there high grad rates, and schools like BYU that don't graduate shit, lose Commits each year.
 

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QueensNY said:
I've always heard Pitt is really low.

Can't wait for the changes.

I've always felt that schools like ND should be rewarded for there graduation rates while schools like FSU should be penalized for there lacking graduation rates.

How about a rule that gives
ND a few extra commits each year because of there high grad rates, and schools like BYU that don't graduate shit, lose Commits each year.
I have a better suggestion - for any team that loses 3 games or less and is in the top 5 graduation gets their losses taken away and added to their wins heck we would be in the National Championship every year with Weis lol
 
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I have a better suggestion - for any team that loses 3 games or less and is in the top 5 graduation gets their losses taken away and added to their wins heck we would be in the National Championship every year with Weis lol

Recommendation: Don't post smart-ass comments or satirical messages. Just post factual statements. You've pushed everybody too far with this stuff.
 

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brucejcarr said:
This will have parents thinking twice about sending their kids to Miami, FSU, UoF, VT and so on.

Future BCS will look something like this: ND, Northwestern, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Duke, Rutgers and Harvard.

This policy has teeth AND balls. This is exactly what I'm getting at. Start hitting them where it hurts with real policies and real punishments. The NCAA has no legal power and can't even subpoena. The least they can do is get rougher with academic requirements and force these schools to start playing by the rules or not play at all.

Everyone can still make money, but maybe they can actually achieve what the primary objective is supposed to be: educating student athletes.

Now we'll see just how "strict" academics really are at Michigan. I think that football program is just as bad as the basketball program was.
 
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