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NDLyght37 said:
Ok, definetely will give you Fasano, he's argueably my favorite player at the school if/when Justin Tuck leaves. And I'll even spot you another one in Tom Zbikowski, who I think's gonna be very solid at safety before he's done. But other than that, Stovall's kinda never lived up to his billing (along w/ the rest of the recieving core) so maybe that's an indictment of Willingham the Coach and not Willingham the Recruiter. I don't know, we'll see what Weis can do w/ them next year and what kind of a recruiter he turns out to be. His staff seems pretty top notch though.
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lol...I agree. But in this day and age, there are only about 5 coaches who could turn around ND so quickly after the mess that has happened since Holtz left. I think TyWillie is a great man & a good coach. Is he a great coach...no. But how many "great" coaches are there in any sport?irishgo8 said:
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NDLyght37 said:
but ND is in a sports class like that of the yankees, Lakers, Cowboys etc..these programs are the ones that get the great coaches...they are the ones who are always on the frontlines of everything positive...they don't settle, or tolerate anything that is average...weather it is players, coaches, management, etc. Ty is an average coach...not bad, not great...average. sorry, ND doesn't work well with that
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nayers said:
Ehhhh...I hate all 3 of those teams, and I hate it even more when ND gets compared to them (which is all the time...) grrr....oh well.
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True, but kind of like Aerosmith said, great assistants can make a head coach great. I think Ty's staff was average at best. I think all of them are probably solid coaches, but as a team it didn't "gel".nayers said:
I don't think Weis is a "great" coach, but he is assembling a great staff, and he could become great someday.
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Well,the ap seems to think there was twenty-five better ones then ours the last two years.I know his first year he went 8-0,but that defense made crazy plays.That team I think fit his attitude of being calm.How many times this year did it look like they just gave up.There was no fire in any of the payback games(If BC keeps winning we are going to have to switch to astro turf)I can't remember if we ever came out after halftime and stuck it to anyone.TY was not the right fit for ND and I really don't know if he is really that good of a coach.How does he compare to Davie?I guess we will find out in a few years at Washington. :rocket:NDLyght37 said:
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Maybe...but I mean how many "great" coaches are out there. Who's out there like Bowden was, or Spurrier was, or Paterno was, or Holtz? In any sport, pro or college, I think that there's only like 4 or 5 "great" coaches. Every other coach is somewhere in between. Is Bowden great anymore? Probably not. but what separates him from a guy like Paterno or even when Holtz was down in South Carolina is two things: recruiting talented kids, and having a solid coaching staff.seIRISH said:
Again, I agree that ultimately Ty was not right for ND...but I also don't think Ty was a "bad" coach. A lot of times, how good or bad you are is influenced by the situation you inherit. Is Phil Jackson the greatest coach ever? No...but he knows how to pick a job. (how's that for a rabbit trail, nayers?)
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But how do you judge a good coach from a bad coach.It is about wins and how they rebound from peaks and valleys.The way you tell if someone is good or bad is by what they do with the situation they inherit.He did not want to get rid of his assistant but now are they all going to washington with him.Why not make this off.cordinator change before.NDLyght37 said:
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He's only taking Baer as the DC...at least that's the word on the UW boards. he's keeping 2 or 3 guys on from the current Husky staff. But perhaps the best news (for Ty) is that he's bringing in a brand new OC (not from ND or from UW). If he gets a young "Urban Meyer"-type, they could be dangerous. Apparently they just got this kid Johnny Durocher, a transfer from Oregon. Supposedly this kid was a Top-10 QB coming out of high school in 2003. He redshirted for a year, and then transferred. So Ty might have another Brady Quinn on his hands. But the question is, if Ty wins 10 games next year is he a great coach? I still say no. Again, he's a solid coach, but situations often define your "greatness". To me, the great ones are the ones who build something out of nothing and sustain it (Bowden, Spurrier, Dean Smith, Coach K, Bobby Knight, Eddie Robinson, etc.).seIRISH said:But how do you judge a good coach from a bad coach.It is about wins and how they rebound from peaks and valleys.The way you tell if someone is good or bad is by what they do with the situation they inherit.He did not want to get rid of his assistant but now are they all going to washington with him.Why not make this off.cordinator change before.
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NDLyght37 said:
i dont see anyway he wins 10 games next year, or the year after, or the year after...have you seen the talent they have right now...pathetic, and they are tied for 90th place in recruiting this year behind schools like SMU, Tulsa, Kent state... i know it is still early, no talent, plus average coaching, doesn't equal success.. but hey if he does win 10 games, i will be the first to say how right you are, and how stupid i am
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Oh, I wasn't saying he's going to win 10 games...I think at best they win 7 (including a bowl game), but probably more like 5 or 6 wins.nayers said:
My point was that if Ty led them to 10 wins, does that all of a sudden make him a "great" coach? I don't think so. I don't think that your "coach rating" changes that much from year to year unless you are really really bad or really really good...Ty was neither. But if he leads the Huskies to the level where USC has been for the last 4-5 years, then he could be approaching greatness.
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Well we've only got the next ten years to find out who is right.I am officially done with the subject of Ty.On to the new chapter of ND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!can I get an amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NDLyght37 said:
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Their is some talent at Washington, there last three classes have been ranked in the top 25, not to mention they recruited one of the top QB's last year, forget his name, he's the brother of the oakland raiders backup qb.
Washington fans will go easy on Ty at first because they only won 1 game. But eventually he will be pressured to win, they care about football. If Ty brings in a very good OC it could help him, no coach in college football gives more leeway to his assisants then Ty, he lets the assistants do everything, I'm not sure what the heck it is Ty does, it's not recruit thats for sure.
Why isn't Ty bringing Diedrick to Washington? Ty could of stayed at ND if he canned Diedrick, but he didn't. now he's going to Washington without Diedrick. Seems to me Ty wanted ND to fire him so he could go to Washington, plus get extra money from ND.
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Nah, I just think TyWillie said, "Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice...shame on you".QueensNY said:
As for the talent at UW, I think he's got some pieces to work with. This Durocher cat sounds like the genuine article. I think he can move past Paus on the depth chart & have some memorable battles with BQ over the next 2 years.
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NDLyght37 said:Nah, I just think TyWillie said, "Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice...shame on you".
I question Ty's intentions too, actually. He was already talking to Washington the week of the Pitt game and refused to make changes to his staff when White asked him to. It really seemed like Willingham wanted to get the hell out of dodge, but a firing preserved the big bucks of his contract.
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nayers said:
Charlie disagrees, he wants USC undefeated.
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Weis is a really cocky guy. I love it!
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I agree with CW I want USC to be undefeated. I want to beat them and ND to be responsible for them not winning another NC.
They have pushed us around for the last couple of years. And they really deserve an asswhoppin for running that fake punt on us this year and getting the first even when the were up by two or three scores.
I think USC, BC, and Purdue deserve whatever they get all three of them have gone out of their way to show disrespect to ND during our Dark Years.(not wnning years)
Whether it by trying to run up the score, thrashing our locker room and cutting our field, to running through our pregame warm ups. I think this year coming up if we are in a position to run the score and disrespect them we should. But only for one year than after that play good football.
Just my personal opinion!!! WSe need to rub it in their face that ND is BACK!!!!!!!!
They have pushed us around for the last couple of years. And they really deserve an asswhoppin for running that fake punt on us this year and getting the first even when the were up by two or three scores.
I think USC, BC, and Purdue deserve whatever they get all three of them have gone out of their way to show disrespect to ND during our Dark Years.(not wnning years)
Whether it by trying to run up the score, thrashing our locker room and cutting our field, to running through our pregame warm ups. I think this year coming up if we are in a position to run the score and disrespect them we should. But only for one year than after that play good football.
Just my personal opinion!!! WSe need to rub it in their face that ND is BACK!!!!!!!!