This is why Notre Dame CAN GET ANY recruit.

[Irish Envy]

Derrick Williams chose Penn State today over Oklahoma because Bob Stoops didn't show him and his familiy attention.

Need motivation? Here it is.

 

[nayers]

any recruit as long as they have a near perfect SAT...sorry, but i am one who thinks the academic restrictions should be lowered...three words...RANDY 'FREAKIN' MOSS. go back and see how he, and so many more could have been in blue and gold, but because they weren't advanced triganometry majors with 4.0+ GPAs they had to go somewhere else and show they could play...my opinion only, i'm sure many of you don't agree

 

[jiggafini19]

Derrick Williams chose Penn State today over Oklahoma because Bob Stoops didn't show him and his familiy attention.

Need motivation? Here it is.

Shocker. I never even knew PSU was in the hunt. I thought it was OU and Florida. Wow. Big news.

Charlie Weis is supposed to be a natural salesman. I hope there is more patience with him because last year's class and whatever he gets this year probably won't set the world on fire. Once this staff gets up and running, LOOK OUT.

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

i am one who thinks the academic restrictions should be lowered...three words...RANDY 'FREAKIN' MOSS.

I agree with you! I think our academic restrictions are just too tough for many players. Imagine Randy Moss playing for the Irish...he would have had a much better chance at taking home the Heisman...can't remember who won it that year.

 

[irishtexan]

it would be nice to let loose on the academic restrictions, but thats one of the things that makes notre dame who it is. if we did that, then would we turn into another florida state, or miami? duke has no problem being consistently good at basketball, and they are a very tough school to get into. now granted they only have 5 men on the floor, but still. i think we have a better chance of the administration allowing a few players to slide in under the door, like they did with tony rice and chris zorich.
it sure would have been nice to see moss in a blue and gold uniform though.

 

[Guest]

Joe Pa can still recruit, can't coach anymore, but he can still recruit. Old fart

 

[Irish Envy]

JoPa also got the #1 CB in the land.

 

[Aerosmith777]

i am one who thinks the academic restrictions should be lowered...three words...RANDY 'FREAKIN' MOSS.

I agree with you! I think our academic restrictions are just too tough for many players. Imagine Randy Moss playing for the Irish...he would have had a much better chance at taking home the Heisman...can't remember who won it that year.

I think the whole academic restrictions thing is so overblown. I mean, I understand that ND can't go out and recruit everyone like Miami can, but those standards are not that freakin tough. I mean, its not like you have to meet the same requirements of the rest of the students & get like a 1300 on your SAT's. In fact, I doubt you even need as high as an 1100 if you're a football player. There are plenty of good recruits out there who more than meet ND's academic standards for football players, ND just has to learn to recruit them again. I think that's the real problem, the administration has acted as if the school can sell itself & it just can't anymore, not w/ places in dream locations like Florida & Southern California in the mix. They need a coach who's a good salesman & even more importantly is gonna work his butt off showing recruits attention and getting their families to feel comfortable w/ him & the program so that they'll choose ND over places in nicer climates w/ a more recent history of winning. I think Weis will do that.

That said, I am in favor of letting a couple of guys in a year who maybe fall just a bit shy of the standards for grades, but I don't want the school to go out and open the floodgates the way Miami & FSU does. So, for example, somebody like Randy Moss, I mean I know he's a great player and all, maybe one of the top 5 recievers in history, but I wouldn't want him in south bend. For one, I don't think it was just grades that kept him out, I think he got into some legal trouble in H.S. & that was part of why he lost his scholarship, and if that's the case, I really don't want him on the Irish. I want ND to uphold its image, and part of that means keeping a clean program, which sometimes means you have to deny a talented athlete admission into the school when they don't show the maturity to stay out of trouble. Guys like Rice though are ok, b/c he was a little bit below the academic standards, but nobody could question that he was a good person and someone who would be a great representive of the program on and off the field.

 

[BigIrish]

I'm going to post this excerpt one more time for all the people that continue to point to academics as being the reason that the Irish aren't getting big time recruits. I get so sick of that rationale - with very few exceptions, the academics issue is PROPAGANDA. Blame our recruiting woes on anything - poor coaching, diminished prestige - anything but academics.

BTW - academics weren't the only thing working against Randy Moss. If that were the case, he'd have been accepted. He was a troubled teen, and there were big questions about his character. There were several schools that weren't willing to take a risk on him.

The excerpt quotes Tom Lemming. Analyzing prep recruits happens to be one of his ...hobbies...

"Lemming said with the right coach, Notre Dame's prestige could be back as soon as next season. Until now, he said, Notre Dame's recruiting problems have been connected mostly to an unimaginative offense and out-of-date facilities, the latter of which Notre Dame is upgrading.

Lemming discarded the usual criticisms that Notre Dame's academic standards are too high and its schedule too tough.

"Davie and Willingham were given a lot of leeway on academics,'' he said. "They've brought in kids with 2.3 and 2.4 [grade-point averages], and they still couldn't get kids to visit. It's a lack of recruiting expertise, really.

"After they ran Lou Holtz out, Notre Dame has arbitrarily raised and lowered academic standards. There has been no consistency. First they changed the standards to get rid of Holtz, then they used them to help Davie out, then to help Willingham out. I keep track of these kids' grades, and Notre Dame's standards are a little above the Big Ten, but not much.''

 

[bmf175]

Agreed...

I remember reading an article on Moss when he was being offered by Holtz to play for ND. The end of his senior season in HS there was a racial incident that developed and Holtz quickly pulled the plug on Moss wearing BluenGold.
The article went as far to say that Holtz made a deal with Bobby Bowden (shadiest football coach ever) at suck ass FSU.
Due to their low standards and the lack of player responsibility there.

 

[Aerosmith777]

Agreed...

I remember reading an article on Moss when he was being offered by Holtz to play for ND. The end of his senior season in HS there was a racial incident that developed and Holtz quickly pulled the plug on Moss wearing BluenGold.
The article went as far to say that Holtz made a deal with Bobby Bowden (shadiest football coach ever) at suck ass FSU.
Due to their low standards and the lack of player responsibility there.

I remember that. And then FSU pulled his scholarship for something else. You know there's something wrong when FSU is pulling a guy's scholarship for off-the-field stuff.

 

[irishtexan]

i knew moss had some problems, but i didnt know his scholarship was yanked from fsu. jesus, thats bad. i read somewhere that every year there are 70 to 80 blue chip athletes that could get into notre dame, we just couldnt bring them in. i am hoping that changes.

 

[jiggafini19]

i knew moss had some problems, but i didnt know his scholarship was yanked from fsu. jesus, thats bad. i read somewhere that every year there are 70 to 80 blue chip athletes that could get into notre dame, we just couldnt bring them in. i am hoping that changes.

ND took a pass not only because of the test score, but because he was involved in a race riot at DuPont High School. Some kid got beat down pretty bad and Moss was involved.

The NCAA administered their random drug testing and Moss tested positive at FSU for marijuana. Went to Marshall, who was I-AA at the time, so he wouldn't have to sit out a year.

What an athlete. Holtz called him the best high school football player he'd ever seen. In 1992, as a sophomore, my uncle coached against him in the West Virginia State Championship. He was unstoppable. They more or less told their DBs..."Don't let anyone else beat us." Double and triple covered, but still stole the show.

Jerry Krause said that Moss would have been an NBA Lottery pick had he focused on hoops. Two-time Mr. Basketball in West Virginia.

His SportsCentury documentary on ESPN is a real tell all. Very coddled athlete that grew up without a father and is quite immature.

 

[irishtexan]

wow. and all those goofballs on nfl sunday say the colleges who didnt take him were stupid.

 

[jiggafini19]

It was the same year Kevin Garnett got in trouble at school, but he was 6-11 and near the scene of a fight and didn't do anything. He ended up getting cleared of any charges, but was pretty jaded and moved to Chicago. That and the Nike Camp set him up pretty nice in Chi Town, but that's another story.

Moss definitely played a part in this brawl. To get kicked out of FSU, which is a really tough to do, is really bad. They can usually keep their guys around despite what they do off the field.

Before the NFL Draft, Moss was supposed to meet the late Walter Payton for lunch. He ended up no-showing and didn't call. The Bears decided to pass. Dallas wanted to draft Moss, but they didn't want to risk bringing yet another menace to society on their roster. I can't say that I blame them. No call, no show in any business doesn't portray a very good image. And who he thought he was to stand up Walter Payton....I'll never know.

 

[Guest]

I think the whole academic restrictions thing is so overblown. I mean, I understand that ND can't go out and recruit everyone like Miami can, but those standards are not that freakin tough. I mean, its not like you have to meet the same requirements of the rest of the students & get like a 1300 on your SAT's. In fact, I doubt you even need as high as an 1100 if you're a football player. There are plenty of good recruits out there who more than meet ND's academic standards for football players, ND just has to learn to recruit them again. I think that's the real problem, the administration has acted as if the school can sell itself & it just can't anymore, not w/ places in dream locations like Florida & Southern California in the mix. They need a coach who's a good salesman & even more importantly is gonna work his butt off showing recruits attention and getting their families to feel comfortable w/ him & the program so that they'll choose ND over places in nicer climates w/ a more recent history of winning. I think Weis will do that.

That said, I am in favor of letting a couple of guys in a year who maybe fall just a bit shy of the standards for grades, but I don't want the school to go out and open the floodgates the way Miami & FSU does. So, for example, somebody like Randy Moss, I mean I know he's a great player and all, maybe one of the top 5 recievers in history, but I wouldn't want him in south bend. For one, I don't think it was just grades that kept him out, I think he got into some legal trouble in H.S. & that was part of why he lost his scholarship, and if that's the case, I really don't want him on the Irish. I want ND to uphold its image, and part of that means keeping a clean program, which sometimes means you have to deny a talented athlete admission into the school when they don't show the maturity to stay out of trouble. Guys like Rice though are ok, b/c he was a little bit below the academic standards, but nobody could question that he was a good person and someone who would be a great representive of the program on and off the field.

It's not only grades, we don't let kids enroll early, we may hoave had a shot at Derrick Williams, he wanted to enroll early. Also we don't allow JUCOS.

Academics are a little to high, take Rey Maualuga for example, he has strong interest in ND. He has a 3.1 GPA. But ND has told him his SAT scores weren't high enough. It will be to late for him to take the retake. So he's not coming now.

He has a 3.1 GPA and he can't get into ND, now do you still think ND academic requirments aren't to high.

Plus at ND your not allowed to take some easy classes that you are at other schools. ND has a very tough classes that football players have to take. Their's a freshmen requirment for FB players to take advanced calculus. Not many kids want to come to school and have to deal with these tough classes.

I don't have a problem with the high standards, we've mainly brought in top 10 classes with the high standards until recently. But exceptions should be made for guys like Rey Maualuga who has a 3.1 GPA and can't get in.