Ron Prince Rumor

[Polish Leppy 22]

One of the guys over at DD says Ron Prince has definitely joined the staff but his role/ title hasn't been determined yet.

My hope is OL coach because bringing anyone in with the title of OC is useless

 

[NDOM]

Hmmm. Dont know shit about him but he cant be any worse than John Latina can he?

 

[tko]

hmmmmm, i don't know much about prince. i need to do some more research on him but sounds like a good choice. i think he got a raw deal at K State. i will stay tuned for more info. thanks leppy

 

[Denny]

hmmmmm, i don't know much about prince. i need to do some more research on him but sounds like a good choice. i think he got a raw deal at K State. i will stay tuned for more info. thanks leppy

Before coming to Kansas State, Prince served for three seasons as offensive coordinator under Al Groh at the University of Virginia, and for a total of five years as the Cavaliers' offensive line coach. No doubt Charlie called Groh about Prince since they fall under the Parcells coaching tree. Prince got a huge extension before the 2008 season then gets the boot with a few games to go, that's tough.

 

[tko]

thank you denny. probably makes sense bringing a guy in that fits the mold vs someone totally off the wall.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Thanks for the info fellas.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Hmmm. Dont know shit about him but he cant be any worse than John Latina can he?

Let's hope not! I also hope he takes Mendoza with him!!!

 

[JeremyND07]

Looks like OL coach. I think this would be a huge pick-up!!!!! He would be a great boost to recruiting in the Kansas area. What big OL recruits are left on the board that we can reel in with this signing?

RUMOR: Ron Prince to join Notre Dame staff - Notre Dame Fighting Irish Football - Sport Snipe

 

[goldandblue]

Maybe he learned some things from Jerry Moore when he was App state.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

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RUMOR: Ron Prince to join Notre Dame staff - Notre Dame Fighting Irish Football - Sport Snipe

Clinked on link and sent me right back to this thread. Tricky tricky.

 

[IrishChris209]

Looks like OL coach. I think this would be a huge pick-up!!!!! He would be a great boost to recruiting in the Kansas area. What big OL recruits are left on the board that we can reel in with this signing?

RUMOR: Ron Prince to join Notre Dame staff - Notre Dame Fighting Irish Football - Sport Snipe

I could not agree more. He would also possibly help us in Texas and Oklahoma in recruiting.

 

[MeanGreen]

I thought I saw somewhere that the O-line coach from Tampa Bay was friends with CW and would have been here 4 years ago except for some contract issues. I think Bisaccia is the guys name. I do not know much about Prince, except he wasn't at Kansas long and I am not sure why he was gone so soon. Does anyone have any stats has to how is teams did running the ball and sacks allowed.

 

[Junkhead]

I don't care who he is, something has to change with the OL.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Hmmm. Dont know shit about him but he cant be any worse than John Latina can he?

If he's forced to teach a system that is too complicated for College Players he could end up being worse actually.

 

[WabashFalcon]

if he's forced to teach a system that is too complicated for college players he could end up being worse actually.

zone is a simple scheme to teach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

zone is a simple scheme to teach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Latina was an OL coaching stud before he came to ND. All of a sudden he can't coach and that happened overnight? I call BS.

I like Weis...but let's face it the offense is too complicated for guys with less than 2 years play time. That's kinda screwed up.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Valid point. But zone is so freaking easy to teach... execution is a different manner. Here, let me give ya an example.

My freshman year when I reported for camp, Coach C took the oline for an hour and teach us how to block the inside and outside zone. Bucket step, get on your rail, block whoever is on your rail, if a man is looping over, trust the man to your backside to pick him up. After an hour, he looked at us and said, "There, I've taught you the zone. Easy, huh? Perfect it in the next four years."

Zone is easy to teach. But if a tackle, end, or backer gets any penetration, the line stunts, or a lineman opens up his hips and shoulders for a second to take a looper that he should have left, the play is going to blow up. Hard. In the backfield for a five yard loss.

I don't want to say that our guys don't trust each other. I don't wanna say that they don't know how to block a zone. A freaking monkey can learn the zone if given a couple hours. I just don't think Latina has developed road graders. Also, Willingham didn't bring in a single OL over three stars when he left. Thus, you have to work with what you are given... and I think (excluding Young and Trevor) these guys don't have that nasty streak that so many coaches love. There comes a time when you just need to grab your sack and manhandle a guy.

Look at West Virgina. When they ran the zone to perfection, Pat White and Steve Slaton could not be stopped. Look at ND. When you don't trust the zone, you get harped on like there is no tomorrow.

Just my two cents comming from a college program that ran a shitton of zone.

 

[MeanGreen]

I think LOVEMYIRISH and WaBashFalcon make good points. I think the problem with the line is the players do not have enough time to develop in the scheme. Face it none of them did this in high school. For the past 2 or 3 years we have been asking them to come in and contribute right away. Look at USC, FL, and some of the other top 10 programs and whether it is lineman or other positions, guys get to sit and watch and develop before being called upon to make major contributions. I am not talking about playing time, but making a play to help win. So take the point LOVEMYIRISH makes and it takes these guys 2 years to get comfortable with the scheme, plus as WaBashFalcon points out we have had no lineman and there is the major part of the problem. Having said that, if this scheme is not something Latina is confident in or capable of coaching then he has to go. And I think he has to go.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Valid point. But zone is so freaking easy to teach...

If it was easy to teach it would have been done already. You are also assuming Latina never taught it before.

Haywood today said that the breakdown in the second half of the season was due to confusing the players with too much info because they gave them too much of the system.

That tells me the system is WAY too much for any group to learn and that simple zone blocking taught in High School is NOT what Weis is looking for. He is looking for NFL quality blocking.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Having said that, if this scheme is not something Latina is confident in or capable of coaching then he has to go. And I think he has to go.

I don't think that's clear at all.

They are teaching it, but it's too much for kids to learn.

Remember that these guys are still LEARNING...and Weis's system ASSUMES you know EVERYTHING already.

In the NFL he did not teach guys how to block he asked them to block in certain ways. We saw that last year when Weis went "BACK TO BASICS" midseason.

I am telling you guys Jesus Christ himself could not improve the OL coaching at ND until the system is made understandable and workable by guys who are STILL LEARNING.

 

[goldandblue]

I'm looking for nfl quality blocking too...

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I'm looking for nfl quality blocking too...

I would like to see College Level blocking first.

You can't take a kid who only knows the very basics of blocking and expect him to block NFL style in one leap. He needs to progress and buid his knowledge, technique, etc.

Last year Weis realized that the system was too much and he scaled it back. I think he keeps pushing forward a bit too fast each year.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I would like to see College Level blocking first...

They don't even seem to be at the college level. More like peewee. Blocking scheme is too simplistic. Running game is a farce. Any D can sit there, yawn, and know where ball is going to be run. That is what makes it so tough for the O-line, when D sits and waits at the spot where the ball is going to be. Especially when they also know the snap count "Omaha! Let's Go!" Rarely see a pulling guard or cross block or basic friggen trap. Zone blocking is simple.

I've said before that I think CW's offense is bipolar - way too huge a playbook, but way to simplistic a running game - almost farcical.

I'm loving watching the Air Force option right now. Announcer just said "if you're on defense, where's the ball?"

 

[tko]

i would love to see more counters and traps and sht like that. i love when those plays work, they are beautiful. hell, i'll take a guy pancaking the defender in front of him one time. what happened to old school smash mouth football? 3 yrds and a cloud of dust has turned into draw right for a loss of 3 or screen right not there toss into the stands. can someone please be brought in to fix the problem?

 

[Irish Canuck]

This is all horseshit.

Florida State is starting 3 true freshmen, a true sophmore, and a rs sophmore on thier Oline.

Florida is starting 3 true sophmores on the Oline.. in the spread offense they run.

We are starting a senior, 3 juniors, and a freshman/jr on our Oline. The idea that they haven't been in the system long enough to learn it is horseshit.

With all due respect Wabash.... I'm a high school basketball coach... now I can teach my kids a simple 2-3 zone that they can learn, manage and effectively run... or I can try and teach them Cuse's 2-3 zone with multiple coverages and reads... and it would make my kids head spin.... it's way too complicated.

I don't blame Latina... he's been successful in many programs. I blame CW...

It was said best over at IRT.....
http://www.irishroundtable.com/?p=1492

He still hasn’t won a big game, loses consistently to lesser opponents, gets blown out by superior opponents, flip-flops on how things are going to be done, is not goal-oriented, can’t motivate, comes out flat, finishes weak, lacks a killer instinct, loses at home far too often, hasn’t fired his offensive line coach yet, talks way too much, and comes across as an abrasive mofo.

That said... I would love nothing more than for CW to figure this shit out.... I would back the guy whole heartedly. But for now... I have to be honest about the situation.

 

[tko]

This is all horseshit.

Florida State is starting 3 true freshmen, a true sophmore, and a rs sophmore on thier Oline.

Florida is starting 3 true sophmores on the Oline.. in the spread offense they run.

We are starting a senior, 3 juniors, and a freshman/jr on our Oline. The idea that they haven't been in the system long enough to learn it is horseshit.

With all due respect Wabash.... I'm a high school basketball coach... now I can teach my kids a simple 2-3 zone that they can learn, manage and effectively run... or I can try and teach them Cuse's 2-3 zone with multiple coverages and reads... and it would make my kids head spin.... it's way too complicated.

I don't blame Latina... he's been successful in many programs. I blame CW...

It was said best over at IRT.....
http://www.irishroundtable.com/?p=1492

He still hasn’t won a big game, loses consistently to lesser opponents, gets blown out by superior opponents, flip-flops on how things are going to be done, is not goal-oriented, can’t motivate, comes out flat, finishes weak, lacks a killer instinct, loses at home far too often, hasn’t fired his offensive line coach yet, talks way too much, and comes across as an abrasive mofo.

That said... I would love nothing more than for CW to figure this shit out.... I would back the guy whole heartedly. But for now... I have to be honest about the situation.

WTF do Canadians know about the game of basketball? just kidding Canuck. i like the post. being a realist is a good thing.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Florida is starting 3 true sophmores on the Oline.. in the spread offense they run.

Actually, 2...


Phil Trautwein - 5th Year
Jason Watkins - 5th Year
Carl Johnson - Junior (RS Soph)
Michael and Maurkice Pouncey - True Soph

HOWEVER, I do agree that the system is too complex for college kids to learn and they need to simplify it a bit.

 

[Irish Canuck]

WTF do Canadians know about the game of basketball? just kidding Canuck. i like the post. being a realist is a good thing.

It's all good... most Canadians don't know shit about basketball... or football for than matter... I'm a rebel...

Although... here's a fact for you Yanks... basketball was actually invented by a Canadian....

Robert Naismith

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

With all due respect Wabash.... I'm a high school basketball coach... now I can teach my kids a simple 2-3 zone that they can learn, manage and effectively run... or I can try and teach them Cuse's 2-3 zone with multiple coverages and reads... and it would make my kids head spin.... it's way too complicated.

Ok Canuck. Always like your posts. But a high school basketball coach trying to tell a COLLEGE LINEMAN why a basketall scheme does or not compare to college offensive scheme is a
b i t of a s t r e t c h.

I don't blame Latina... he's been successful in many programs. I blame CW...

I'm friggen tellin you guys. Charlies offense has too many plays, "thinks" too fucking much, is focused solely on him and his relationship with QB, and running game is beyond stupidity and outdated.

Damn. I need a friggen beer. Friggen bball coach trying to tell football dudes stuff....

 

[Irish Canuck]

Ok Canuck. Always like your posts. But a high school basketball coach trying to tell a COLLEGE LINEMAN why a basketall scheme does or not compare to college offensive scheme is a
b i t of a s t r e t c h.

It's just a comparison...
I mean I played high school football here.. but we didn't have any schemes... it was more like.... well... hockey... we didn't really care much about the score... we just liked the hitting...

Damn. I need a friggen beer. Friggen bball coach trying to tell football dudes stuff....

Perhaps I've had too many already.